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    Default Epic feats that changed in 3.5

    Is there a list anywhere? I just started to make one, then it occurred to me someone might have already done it.

    For clarity, I'm not talking about the changes that were made in the ELH update booklet as those are already included in the SRD, just the feats that were subsequently changed when they appeared in 3.5 books.

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    Default Re: Epic feats that changed in 3.5

    Quote Originally Posted by Biggus View Post
    Is there a list anywhere? I just started to make one, then it occurred to me someone might have already done it.

    For clarity, I'm not talking about the changes that were made in the ELH update booklet as those are already included in the SRD, just the feats that were subsequently changed when they appeared in 3.5 books.
    Not sure if this list helps at all? I believe most of the changes appear in Complete Warrior.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thurbane View Post
    So, this started off as a post in another thread.

    ELH/SRD feats can be found here: http://www.d20srd.org/indexes/epicFeats.htm *
    * Be aware that some of these feats were re-printed and updated in Complete Warrior.

    If I've missed anything, feel free to let me know.

    Feat name Rulebook Page Description
    Armed Deflection Online -- You can deflect arrows or other ranged weapons with your melee weapon.
    Automatic Vile Spell Online -- The character's lesser spells inflict wounds tainted with foul evil.
    Axiomatic Strike Player's Guide to Faerun 135 Your attacks deal incredible damage to chaotic creatures.
    Battle Dance Dragon 297 28 You are so graceful and nimble in combat that you gain bonuses to Reflex saving throws, attack rolls, and Armor Class.
    Bind Additional Epic Vestige Online -- You can bind an additional epic vestige.
    Bind Additional Vestige Online -- You can bind an additional nonepic vestige.
    Bind Amun-her Khepeshef "Desecrated Scion" Online -- You can bind Amun-her Khepeshef.
    Bind Gaia "Soul of the Land" Online -- You can bind Gaia.
    Bind Tkhaluuljin "the Cephalopocalypse" Online -- You can bind Tkhaluuljin.
    Bind Zuriel "the Bronze God" Online -- You can bind Zuriel.
    Bonus Soulmeld Magic of Incarnum 213 You gain newfound meldshaping ability.
    Chosen Weapon Specialization Player's Guide to Faerun 135 You deal more damage than normal when wielding your deity's chosen weapon. [also online]
    Combat Insight Complete Warrior 151 Your keen intellect allows you to place melee attacks where they will deal the most damage.
    Dark Transient Online -- Your powers of mobility are so potent that you can travel between dimensions with a thought.
    Destructive Attack Dragon 297 28 You can destroy plants, undead and constructs with your death attack.
    Divine Spell Penetration Player's Guide to Faerun 135 Choose one component of your alignment. Any divine spells of that alignment that you cast are more capable of defeating spell resistance than normal. [also online]
    Eldritch Sculptor Online -- You control and shape your eldritch blasts like a master sculptor.
    Endless Malevolence Online -- You can possess creatures for an unlimited period of time.
    Enhance Effect Player's Guide to Faerun 135 You can change the characteristics of a persistent spell effect that is already in place.
    Enhance Turning Online -- You affect more Hit Dice of undead than normal when you channel energy.
    Epic Ancestral Daisho Online -- Your ancestral weapon gains the capacity for even greater power.
    Epic Combat Expertise Complete Warrior 151 You have extraordinary talent at using your combat skill for defense.
    Epic Counterspell Player's Guide to Faerun 135 You can counterspell any number of spells each round.
    Epic Destiny Online -- You have a destiny beyond that of other adventurers.
    Epic Devotion Online -- Choose an alignment component (chaos, evil, good, or law) different from your own alignment. You are particularly resistant to spells of that alignment.
    Epic Divine Might Online -- You can channel energy to greatly increase the damage you deal in combat.
    Epic Divine Resistance Online -- You can channel energy to temporarily reduce damage you and your allies take from energy sources.
    Epic Divine Vengeance Online -- You can channel energy to gain an additional attack against undead in melee.
    Epic Divine Vigor Online -- You impart amazing Constitution and enhanced speed to a number of allies.
    Epic Eldritch Blast Online -- Your eldritch blasts are unstoppably powerful.
    Epic Enervating Touch Online -- Your touch bestows a powerful surge of negative energy upon creatures.
    Epic Essentia Magic of Incarnum 213 You unlock more of your inner soul energy.
    Epic Evil Brand Online -- The character is physically marked forever as a mighty servant of evil.
    Epic Expanded Knowledge Expanded Psionics Handbook 34 You learn another power. [also in the SRD]
    Epic Expel Vestige Online -- You can expel vestiges whenever the need arises.
    Epic Favored Vestige Online -- You are extremely adept at using the abilities of a particular vestige.
    Epic Favored Vestige Focus Online -- The abilities you manifest from a particular vestige are extremely potent against enemies.
    Epic Fiendish Resilience Online -- You can make your blood boil with the strength of the Nine Hells.
    Epic Horrific Appearance Online -- Your appearance causes tremendous impairment to those who view it.
    Epic Ki Frenzy Online -- Your ki frenzy grants you even greater power and agility.
    Epic Poison Crafter Online -- The character knows secrets of poison crafting best left forgotten by mortals.
    Epic Psionic Focus Expanded Psionics Handbook 34 You can expend your psionic focus to greater effect. [also in the SRD]
    Epic Rapid Pact Making Online -- You can make pacts with powerful beings very quickly.
    Epic Rapid Recovery Online -- You can use the abilities of your favored vestige even more frequently than before.
    Epic Skilled Pact Making Online -- You are exceptionally skilled at making pacts with powerful entities.
    Epic Spellfire Wielder Player's Guide to Faerun 136 You can store more spellfire energy levels than normal.
    Epic Spell Secret Online -- Choose a single spell that you know. You can apply one of your metamagic feats to that spell without altering the spell's level.
    Epic Spell Specialization Online -- Choose a spell that you can cast. That spell is more powerful when you cast it.
    Epic Sunder Complete Warrior 151 You deal extra damage when attacking objects.
    Epic Witchlight Online -- Your witchlight grows in duration, strength, and power of illumination.
    Ethereal Leap Online -- Your teleports can cover a greater distance.
    Extra Chakra Bind Magic of Incarnum 213 You gain the ability to use more of your body’s centers of power in conjunction with your soulmelds.
    Extended Full Manifestation Online -- You can manifest fully for an extended period of time.
    Focused Spell Penetration Online -- Choose a school of magic for which you have selected the Epic Spell Focus feat. Your spells of that school are more capable of overcoming spell resistance.
    Gloom Aura Online -- Your aura has a hint of the supernatural and generates shadowy light and darkness that can hinder your enemies.
    Ignore Turn Resistance Online -- Your ability to affect undead with channeled energy is powerful enough to penetrate resistance to turning.
    Improved Cooperative Metamagic Player's Guide to Faerun 136 Your ability to enhance an ally's spell during casting is expanded.
    Improved Element Focus Online -- The spells of your specialized element are even more powerful than normal.
    Improved Manifestation Expanded Psionics Handbook 34 You increase your power point reserve. [also in the SRD]
    Improved Metapsionics Expanded Psionics Handbook 34 You can manifest powers using metapsionic feats more often than normal. [also in the SRD]
    Improved Skirmish Complete Adventurer 192 Your combat mobility improves.
    Improved Snatch Spell Player's Guide to Faerun 136 When you take over a spell from another spellcaster, you gain more control over its effect.
    Improved Spellpool Access Player's Guide to Faerun 136 You can use your spellpool access to call spells of greater than normal power.
    Improved Sudden Strike Complete Adventurer 192 Your ability to strike unaware foes improves.
    Infusion of Balance Dragon 297 28 You can make full use of certain magical weapons that are keyed to specific alignments, and you gain protection from similar magical attacks.
    Inscribe Epic Runes Player's Guide to Faerun 136 Your ability to strike unaware foes improves.
    Intensify Turning Online -- You turn or rebuke undead with exceptionally great strength.
    Invoke Divine Wrath Online -- You can channel energy directly from your deity to cause devastating damage to your enemies.
    Lasting Aura Online -- The effects of your auras last 1 minute.
    Legendary Acrobat Complete Adventurer 192 You can balance and tumble much more easily than a normal person.
    Legendary Sniper Dragon 297 29 Your ability to make ranged attacks from hiding is legendary.
    Lingering Death Dragon 297 29 A failed death attack continues to threaten the target for an additional round.
    Lord of All Essences Online -- You have mastered the art of enhancing your eldritch blast with multiple essences.
    Master of the Elements Online -- You have achieved mastery of the four elements -- air, earth, fire, and water.
    Mighty Sunder Online -- You deal extra damage when attacking objects. [Note: appears to be the same as the Epic Sunder feat from CW]
    Morpheme Savant Online -- Your words are charged with supernatural power.
    Multiaura Online -- You can maintain more auras than normal.
    Multiturning Online -- You may turn undead more than once per round.
    Open Heart Chakra Magic of Incarnum 213 You open up one of your body’s most potent centers of power, allowing you to bind a soulmeld or a magic item to your heart chakra.
    Open Soul Chakra Magic of Incarnum 213 You gain the ability to bind soulmelds to your body’s most potent center of power: your soul chakra.
    Paragon Visionary Online -- Your powers of perception are beyond mortal ken.
    Poltergeist Shield Online -- You can extend a shield of deflection around a nearby ally.
    Power Knowledge Expanded Psionics Handbook 34 You add two additional powers to your list of powers known. [also in the SRD]
    Psicrystal Power Expanded Psionics Handbook 34 Your psicrystal can manifest a power. [also in the SRD]
    Quicken Wildshape Dragon 297 29 You can change shapes with wildshape instantly
    Radiant Aura Online -- Your aura generates visible light that can dazzle and daze your enemies.
    Rapid Ghost Flight Online -- Your fully manifested ghost body can fly at great speed with unsurpassed maneuverability.
    Rapid Meldshaping Magic of Incarnum 213 You can shape a meld in seconds.
    Rebind Chakra Magic of Incarnum 214 You can change which bodily center of power your soulmeld draws upon.
    Shadowmaster Online -- You have walked the path of shadows, and now you have mastered its secrets.
    Souleater Incarnate Online -- You have mastered the fusion of invocation and incarnum.
    Spellchanneling Online -- You can imbue spells you cast with additional power by channeling energy.
    Spell Siphoning Online -- You can cast spells using your ability to channel energy.
    Staff Expertise Online -- ou can activate staffs with the speed that an archer fires arrows.
    Verminlord Online -- You have unparalleled insight into the ways of vermin.
    Vile Deathstrike Online -- Creatures slain by the character's attack can be raised only on holy ground.
    Vile Smite Online -- Your smite attack channels especially potent evil power.
    Wand Expertise Online -- You can activate wands with the speed that an archer fires arrows.
    Widen Aura Online -- Your auras are much larger than normal.
    Wield Oversized Weapon Complete Warrior 153 You can use larger than normal weapons with ease.

    Please feel free to add any more feats, or to point out any errors or other info.

    Cheers - T

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    Default Re: Epic feats that changed in 3.5

    Quote Originally Posted by Thurbane View Post
    Not sure if this list helps at all? I believe most of the changes appear in Complete Warrior.
    Thank you, your extended sig was the first place I looked in fact. That's the list of epic feats that don't appear in the ELH isn't it?

    What I'm looking for in this case is feats that do appear in the ELH, but are different when they appear in 3.5 books. The only ones I've found so far are Improved Combat Casting and Automatic Quicken Spell in CArc and Augmented Alchemy in CAdv. The wording of Improved Metamagic in the DMG is different to the version in the ELH too, but I'm not sure if it's meant to be a change in the way it works or a clarification (if the latter, it's very badly done, as the meaning seems less clear to me than in the ELH).

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    Default Re: Epic feats that changed in 3.5

    I believe dragon changed Improved Whirlwind Attack to be a general fighter feat. It now allows you to add your iterative attacks after the whirlwind.

    Quote Originally Posted by Biggus View Post
    The wording of Improved Metamagic in the DMG is different to the version in the ELH too, but I'm not sure if it's meant to be a change in the way it works or a clarification (if the latter, it's very badly done, as the meaning seems less clear to me than in the ELH).
    They say the same thing, just differently.
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    Default Re: Epic feats that changed in 3.5

    Quote Originally Posted by Darg View Post
    They say the same thing, just differently.
    Do they? The DMG guide version could be interpreted to mean "the total spell slot modifier is reduced by one" rather than "each MM feat's spell slot modifier is reduced by one". The ELH said the latter perfectly clearly, so why change the wording if the meaning is intended to be the same?

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    Default Re: Epic feats that changed in 3.5

    I know Automatic Quicken Spell changed from 3 levels per time you take it to 1 (so need to take it nine times for levels 1-9 instead of 3) - Automatic Quicken Spell. ( Complete Arcane, p. 191)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Biggus View Post
    Do they? The DMG guide version could be interpreted to mean "the total spell slot modifier is reduced by one" rather than "each MM feat's spell slot modifier is reduced by one". The ELH said the latter perfectly clearly, so why change the wording if the meaning is intended to be the same?
    It goes on to say that it effects individual feats rather than the spell itself. Definitely should have kept the old description, but WotC did make a lot of mistakes. An example of this is keeping some descriptions the same even though 3.5 brought mechanical changes. Spring attack is one such example. As written in the non-premium PHB you still get a move action along with a move with your attack action. As mentioned above, the premium edition changed it to be like the 3.0 version where it's a full round action. Using the non-premium version keeps it in line with mobile spellcasting though.

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