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    Now a good GM would also allow some modification of your spell list or a homebrew subclass with access to desired spells as a (relatively costly) feature, but D&D does put some barriers in the way and strongly hints you should conform to class archetype.

    Weirdly I'd be happier if it made archetyping stronger and made playing to it explicit. I like games which are willing to have strict classes with little crossover.

    Eh, if defined systems have enough content and avoid too many limits it's not a massive problem, I can comfortably build whatever GURPS magician I want. But I am starting to prefer lighter systems for other reasons (number one being 'why will nobody else read the bloody book').

    No, druids are hard to get into because of historical context, but considering the last game I played in I was a nature-wizard who completely rejected any druidic trappings (he wore a greatcoat for warmth and kept his hair and beard neat) there is a difference. Druids are priests, you could say they're nature Clerics, and have baggage I tend not to like or want.
    Funny. I do occassionally see those strong hints, but then I just remind DND that I have chains and whips and as DM it does what I tell it and not the other way around, if I so choose.

    There's something good about having archetypes, don't get me wrong, but just because the game suggests an archetype doesn't mean you have to follow it. You don't have to be gandalf if you're a wizard, you don't have to be Strider if you're a ranger, and you don't need to be Gimli if you're a dwarf.

    A good example of this from the game I'm playing in is that I wanted to be a cleric of Tiamat, based on this character idea I had of "adorable nun with large axe and zero morals with regards to getting money" and there just isn't a good divine domain for Tiamat that fit with what I wanted. Trickery was close, but Tiamat isn't really a goddess of _TRICKERY_ persay, and none of its abilities really fit. So I worked with the DM to modify the starting stuff of domain that did kinda fit better but mechanically was kinda bad, and once it was clear the game would continue to where it would matter we then proceeded to homebrew the rest and made our own, perfectly fitting Domain; The Dragon Queen's Own.

    So we created the archetype we wanted, effectively.


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    After trying since 2019, I've finally got a chance to play Blades in the Dark! Unfortunately I also agreed to GM, so, this is going to go pear shaped fast. ¬_¬
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rater202 View Post
    A Druid is either a Divine Caster(Gets powers from a deity or personified concept) or a Primal Caster(get power from nature) depending on the edition of the game.

    A wizard is an arcane caster: You spent years of you life studying and from it gained the power to manipulate the fundamental forces of reality.
    That is entirely fluff though. There's no reason why you can't just run a druid under the background of studying plants and getting it from a divine source (nature), or letting the wizard have a druid spell list while still being arcane.
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    Funny. I do occassionally see those strong hints, but then I just remind DND that I have chains and whips and as DM it does what I tell it and not the other way around, if I so choose.

    There's something good about having archetypes, don't get me wrong, but just because the game suggests an archetype doesn't mean you have to follow it. You don't have to be gandalf if you're a wizard, you don't have to be Strider if you're a ranger, and you don't need to be Gimli if you're a dwarf.

    A good example of this from the game I'm playing in is that I wanted to be a cleric of Tiamat, based on this character idea I had of "adorable nun with large axe and zero morals with regards to getting money" and there just isn't a good divine domain for Tiamat that fit with what I wanted. Trickery was close, but Tiamat isn't really a goddess of _TRICKERY_ persay, and none of its abilities really fit. So I worked with the DM to modify the starting stuff of domain that did kinda fit better but mechanically was kinda bad, and once it was clear the game would continue to where it would matter we then proceeded to homebrew the rest and made our own, perfectly fitting Domain; The Dragon Queen's Own.

    So we created the archetype we wanted, effectively.
    Teah, but I'm going to have to go with Warlocks/Sorcerers because their subclasses are more varied. Or a Cleric, of course.

    Still don't get the Arcane/Divine/Primal/Psionic split.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anonymouswizard View Post
    Teah, but I'm going to have to go with Warlocks/Sorcerers because their subclasses are more varied. Or a Cleric, of course.

    Still don't get the Arcane/Divine/Primal/Psionic split.
    It made sense in the original game when there was only 4 classes to choose from, and Clerics were the only ones that could heal. Druids at the time were not even a separate class from Clerics, but a branch off at 9th level.

    Basically they kept things in the system long after the paradigm that defined and shaped them had been discarded.

    Not saying that 'it was better in the original version', but that there were a lot of things that were thrown out without consideration as to why they existed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mith View Post
    It made sense in the original game when there was only 4 classes to choose from, and Clerics were the only ones that could heal. Druids at the time were not even a separate class from Clerics, but a branch off at 9th level.

    Basically they kept things in the system long after the paradigm that defined and shaped them had been discarded.

    Not saying that 'it was better in the original version', but that there were a lot of things that were thrown out without consideration as to why they existed.
    I think there was consideration on why they existed, but the ultimate decision was that they could change things anyway. I, for one, like how they moved away from a lot of those things.
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    I think there was consideration on why they existed, but the ultimate decision was that they could change things anyway. I, for one, like how they moved away from a lot of those things.
    I like a lot of them too. I think my grumpiness is more due to going from BECMI to 3.5. That explosion in numbers to track really sucks compared to the general 'roll under relevant stat'. Plus the dynamics around 'get gold' vs. 'kill things' does lend itself to a different set of priorities and approaches to the game that I personally appreciate. But that could be simply the nature of starting the hobby with an adult DM as a young teen before switching to someone as the same age under this new system.

    A lot of the cultural stuff in D&D history I am glad we moved away from. Both myself and a friend who started the hobby with BECMI both pour a stiff drink before reviewing some of the old modules because wow there is some not great stuff in them.

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    My first experience with D&D was checking the old AD&D books from the local library.

    Gotta say, Bards are a lot more fun now that you can start as one instead of starting as a rogue, completly giving up all of your rogue abilities to become a level one druid after a certain point, repeating that to get your actual bard abilities, and then get your rogue and druid stuff back after a bit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rater202 View Post
    Gotta say, Bards are a lot more fun now that you can start as one instead of starting as a rogue, completly giving up all of your rogue abilities to become a level one druid after a certain point, repeating that to get your actual bard abilities, and then get your rogue and druid stuff back after a bit.
    Let's be honest, the entire way multiclassing worked for humans was utterly broken and ridiculous in 1st edition AD&D. So, I've spent several levels training as a fighter. I've spent years honing my skills with a weapon so it becomes an extension of my arms, moving faster than most people can see...yet, because I decided to take *one* level in Cleric or whatever, suddenly I forget how to use a sword? I can't use *any* of my neato fighter stuff until I've got to a higher level as a Cleric than I did as a fighter? But when that moment comes, wow, suddenly all that weapon knowledge I've been forgetting for the last few months suddenly comes pouring back and I can fight as a fighter again...

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    Quote Originally Posted by factotum View Post
    Let's be honest, the entire way multiclassing worked for humans was utterly broken and ridiculous in 1st edition AD&D. So, I've spent several levels training as a fighter. I've spent years honing my skills with a weapon so it becomes an extension of my arms, moving faster than most people can see...yet, because I decided to take *one* level in Cleric or whatever, suddenly I forget how to use a sword? I can't use *any* of my neato fighter stuff until I've got to a higher level as a Cleric than I did as a fighter? But when that moment comes, wow, suddenly all that weapon knowledge I've been forgetting for the last few months suddenly comes pouring back and I can fight as a fighter again...
    Meanwhile, my Elf can just be a fighter, a magic-user, and a rogue at the same time and level them up at the same time with the only caveat being that I effectively only get one-third experience.

    Better than the basic box set though, where "Elf" was a class where it was just "you're a fighter and a magic user at the same time." There were the racial level caps but my understanding is that everyone ignored them so there was really no reason to play a straight human of any class.
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    What's wrong with elf as a class? My secxnd D&D character took the elf class.
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    What's wrong with elf as a class? My secxnd D&D character took the elf class.
    Its very existence invalidates the existence of "Human Fighter" and "Human Magic User" as character options. Since everyone ignored the arbitrary level caps for the non-human classes, there was really no (mechanical) reason to play a human.
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    Quote Originally Posted by factotum View Post
    Let's be honest, the entire way multiclassing worked for humans was utterly broken and ridiculous in 1st edition AD&D. So, I've spent several levels training as a fighter. I've spent years honing my skills with a weapon so it becomes an extension of my arms, moving faster than most people can see...yet, because I decided to take *one* level in Cleric or whatever, suddenly I forget how to use a sword? I can't use *any* of my neato fighter stuff until I've got to a higher level as a Cleric than I did as a fighter? But when that moment comes, wow, suddenly all that weapon knowledge I've been forgetting for the last few months suddenly comes pouring back and I can fight as a fighter again...
    When we had multiclass options (I believe we had one character try and he went up in a comically large electrical explosion due to a failed check on using a magic item), we basically used the same as the modern rules, which I recall the DM's own table back in the day basically developed on the spot since they used 'Training Day' rules for leveling up anyways.

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    Observation, I may have shared this before, but...

    It's the realistic nightmares that stick with you more than the monstrous ones.

    I've had bad dreams about being chased by a hoard of zombies or being eaten alive by monsters, but it's the ones where I accidentally kill my cat while playing with a walking stick or somehow break my tooth clean off across the base so I'd need out and out surgery to get the roots extracted that stick with me.

    And the one where my brother came into my room early in the morning and just glared at me without a word while I couldn't physically ask what he wanted and then my eyes focused and I was alone in the room, but I think that counts as less a nightmare and more sleep paralysis.
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    32 lbs of live crawfish procured!
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    32 lbs of live crawfish procured!
    Wow, that's a lot of crawfish! You doing a seafood boil or something?

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    Looking back, I think it's pretty clear what that "freedom" entailed. Poor crawfish. Probably would've been better off if he stayed at the restaurant. At least that would be a quicker death, and a tastier one too. Guess it goes to show what good intentions are worth without some wisdom to back it up.
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    Given that crawfish are a freshwater species, I doubt it lasted long.

    I recently spent some time in the bayous and learned that in that environment crawfish are everywhere, not just in bodies of water. They burrow down and make tunnel systems below the water table and pop up in grassy fields to build little mud smokestacks for ventilation.

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    Given that crawfish are a freshwater species, I doubt it lasted long.
    Depends which crawfish you are talking about.

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    Palinurus elephas is a commonly caught species of spiny lobster from the East Atlantic Ocean and the Mediterranean Sea. Its common names include European spiny lobster,[2] crayfish or cray (in Ireland), crawfish (in England), common spiny lobster,[3] Mediterranean lobster[4] and red lobster.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyoi View Post
    Given that crawfish are a freshwater species, I doubt it lasted long.
    Yes, that's what I meant when I said, "Looking back, I think it's pretty clear what that 'freedom' entailed. Poor crawfish. Probably would've been better off if he stayed at the restaurant. At least that would be a quicker death, and a tastier one too. Guess it goes to show what good intentions are worth without some wisdom to back it up."

    (And since I'm in the states, I'm assuming it was freshwater. So, dead.)

    Love the crawfish chimneys, though. They really do look like they're from another world.
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    Wow, that's a lot of crawfish! You doing a seafood boil or something?
    It's either that or set up an aquarium, and eating 'em sounds like less work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyoi View Post
    Given that crawfish are a freshwater species, I doubt it lasted long.

    I recently spent some time in the bayous and learned that in that environment crawfish are everywhere, not just in bodies of water. They burrow down and make tunnel systems below the water table and pop up in grassy fields to build little mud smokestacks for ventilation.

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    That's freaking wild!

    I know what you mean about just travel a bit (within large boarder countries that is) and you see something completely different. The badlands of Alberta are like that to me.

    The approach to 'Dinosaur National Park looks like it's just a continuation of the Great Plains. Until you walk a bit and find that it's actually so flat, that you didn't see the massive canyon because there was nothing to show you that there was any drop in elevation. in the area. It's just a sudden, sheer cliff into a completely different landscape.

    ...That you are not allowed to climb around in both for concerns of damaging the plant life and because it's the home of the few actually venomous animals in Canada.

    I get and appreciate the reasons behind the rules. But hoodoos look so climbable.

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    Crawfish update: only one dead one in the bunch!
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    Just aced an online midterm in half the allotted time. Feels good to have my weekend of non-stop studying validated.

    @Peelee Are you raising those crayfish as pets or to eat? Got any good recipe suggestions?

    Hope everyone that sees this has a good day!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mith View Post
    I get and appreciate the reasons behind the rules. But hoodoos look so climbable.
    I just looked up hoodoos (first time I've heard the word in this context) and that's some Martian-looking landscape. Kind of reminds me of Morrowind actually, since they look kind of like giant mushrooms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Civis Mundi View Post
    I just looked up hoodoos (first time I've heard the word in this context) and that's some Martian-looking landscape. Kind of reminds me of Morrowind actually, since they look kind of like giant mushrooms.
    Good point. That wasn't well thought of me to drop a word with out an example.

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    Good point. That wasn't well thought of me to drop a word with out an example.

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    For the curious, the reason they're like that is because of the differing resistances of the stones to erosion. The hard stone on top protects from rain and whatnot, while the soft land around gets worn away. But the soft sands of the sides will slowly get worn inwards, faster than the rock 'hats'.
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    @Peelee Are you raising those crayfish as pets or to eat? Got any good recipe suggestions?
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    Despite what a certain musical would have you believe, there are only 525948.76 repeating minutes in an ordinary year.

    That's not as easy to work into a song though.
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    Despite what a certain musical would have you believe, there are only 525948.76 repeating minutes in an ordinary year.
    No, the musical about bohemian deadbeats is correct about the number of minutes in an ordinary calendar year (being 365 days of 24 hours of 60 minutes). What you have there is the number of minutes in a solar year (i.e. the time between vernal equinoxes). And the more I find out about that musical, the less I have any desire to find out more.
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