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    she does identify as a woman because she's a woman
    Here's me thinking it worked the other way round. But society is complicated, and word choices can have unintended readings.

    Like, the fact you called her your female friend doesn't (just) tell me that she's a woman, it tells me that you care that she's a woman. There's quite a few ways to read that, and knowing you aren't the best an communication I'm choosing to believe it's for benign reasons.

    Now I know what you're thinking, doesn't the fact that I will refer to (two of) my partners as my girlfriends mean that I care about their gender? Yes, but this is considered more socially acceptable, although partially for reasons I'm uncomfortable with because I'm expected to care a lot more than I do (I'm dating three women through happenstance and being really bad at meeting people).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anonymouswizard View Post
    Here's me thinking it worked the other way round. But society is complicated, and word choices can have unintended readings.

    Like, the fact you called her your female friend doesn't (just) tell me that she's a woman, it tells me that you care that she's a woman. There's quite a few ways to read that, and knowing you aren't the best an communication I'm choosing to believe it's for benign reasons.

    Now I know what you're thinking, doesn't the fact that I will refer to (two of) my partners as my girlfriends mean that I care about their gender? Yes, but this is considered more socially acceptable, although partially for reasons I'm uncomfortable with because I'm expected to care a lot more than I do (I'm dating three women through happenstance and being bad at meeting people).
    Well that what my friend identified herself as a woman and I know my friend for so many years and I don't think it wouldn't make any difference if she was a man and non-binary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bartmanhomer View Post
    Well that what my friend identified herself as a woman and I know my friend for so many years and I don't think it wouldn't make any difference if she was a man and non-binary.
    Let me try this a different way. Let's say you had lunch with a male friend. Would you day "I had lunch with a male friend today", or would you say "I had lunch with a friend today"?
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    Let me try this a different way. Let's say you had lunch with a male friend. Would you day "I had lunch with a male friend today", or would you say "I had lunch with a friend today"?
    Oh, I see what you did here. I have lunch with a friend.
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    You also initially said "my female" which has a whole host of unpleasant implications I know you didn't intend. I know we've establishdd you forgot the "friend" part, just saying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mystic Muse View Post
    You also initially said "my female" which has a whole host of unpleasant implications I know you didn't intend. I know we've establishdd you forgot the "friend" part, just saying.
    Yes, I forgot to add the friend part, my bad. I should have said my friend instead but still, my friend and my friend's niece got COVID.
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    I've been messing about with RPGMaker because a) I'm too incompetent to learn how to make games properly and b) I quite like the basics of JRPG gameplay anyway.

    Sadly I'm too incompetent to write four+ believable characters. Still fun to mess around with.
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    I've been messing about with RPGMaker because a) I'm too incompetent to learn how to make games properly and b) I quite like the basics of JRPG gameplay anyway.

    Sadly I'm too incompetent to write four+ believable characters. Still fun to mess around with.
    Super Mario Bros has an Italian plumber who shoots fireballs when he grabs a flower and whose archnemesis is a giant turtle.

    Sonic the Hedgehog has a superfast animal that looks nothing like a hedgehog who fights robots.

    Pokemon has a rat that shoots lightning.

    What I'm saying is, don't be overly concerned with realism.
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    Super Mario Bros has an Italian plumber who shoots fireballs when he grabs a flower and whose archnemesis is a giant turtle.

    Sonic the Hedgehog has a superfast animal that looks nothing like a hedgehog who fights robots.

    Pokemon has a rat that shoots lightning.

    What I'm saying is, don't be overly concerned with realism.
    I love Super Mario Bros., Sonic The Hedgehog, and Pokemon.
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    I love Super Mario Bros., Sonic The Hedgehog, and Pokemon.
    Yep! I deliberately chose incredibly successful, super famous franchises to help my point.
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    I've been messing about with RPGMaker because a) I'm too incompetent to learn how to make games properly and b) I quite like the basics of JRPG gameplay anyway.

    Sadly I'm too incompetent to write four+ believable characters. Still fun to mess around with.
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    Yep! I deliberately chose incredibly successful, super famous franchises to help my point.
    And you made very great choices to help your point by choosing these wonderful video games.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peelee View Post
    Super Mario Bros has an Italian plumber who shoots fireballs when he grabs a flower and whose archnemesis is a giant turtle.

    Sonic the Hedgehog has a superfast animal that looks nothing like a hedgehog who fights robots.

    Pokemon has a rat that shoots lightning.

    What I'm saying is, don't be overly concerned with realism.
    Yes, but I'm going for something a bit more story-heavy, so I need as many distinct characters as a SNES final fantasy game.

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    Neither can most professional RPGs. You'll be fine.
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    I really can't trust people on the internet anymore. There was one person who used to be a loyal supporter and subscriber on my Youtube channel. It turns out that person isn't a good person at all so I block that person on Facebook and Youtube.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DataNinja View Post
    You should probably know that calling women 'females' tends to... not be taken greatly. It's often a signpost for those who... don't exactly treat women as equals, and so is something that we tend to be wary of. It's often a red flag, so... just figured I'd let you know. That it does tend to feel dehumanising.
    Though it should be noted that he didn't call women "females" (noun, plural). He called one person a "female friend" (where female is an adjective, singular), at least after correcting the initial missed word. If there's a contextual reason to specify gender in that phrase, then female is the correct term in that instance.

    Men, women.
    Man, woman.
    Male friend, female friend.
    Male friends, female friends.
    Male passenger, female passenger.
    Male passengers, female passengers.
    etc.

    You would definitely say say "I have invited six male friends and five female friends" (assuming you have that many friends and don't need to account for non-binary). If you wish to convey the same information but avoid using male/female, you would need to say something more like "I have invited eleven friends, six men and five women".

    You are 100% correct that using "females" as a noun is dehumanising. It's not grammatically incorrect, but should never refer to humans. You would only use it when referring to characteristics of different sexes in a species. i.e. "In the lion kingdom, females tend to..."

    In short: For humans, woman/women is a noun, female is an adjective. Females is a noun that should only be used for discussing the animal kingdom.

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    There are of course other ways to indicate gender. Using the original example: "My friend told me on the phone that she and her niece" already specifies the genders of both people you're talking about (she & her, niece) in the same sentence, meaning that it wasn't necessary in this instance in order to give that context. So, in the original post, it would probably have been better to drop the word female entirely. Although, even if the rest of the sentence hadn't specified it, you should always ask yourself if it's necessary to give that context. It might be, but it might not.

    "I have two friends who want to do different activities, my male friend wants to [activity], while my female friend wants to [activity] instead" could go both ways, depending on the context you need to convey. If gender plays no part in it whatsoever, you might want to consider using "Friend A" and "Friend B" or similar instead. But, if that context is needed at any point in the current discussion (or continuing discussion), it might be appropriate. e.g. "I have two friends who want to do different activities, my male friend wants to [activity], while my female friend wants to [activity] instead, because she doesn't feel welcome in that community".

    In the original example, let's cut it down to just one person so that no pronouns are used. "My friend caught [illness]." Do we have a need to know her gender? Probably not, unless the illness affects women differently to men. e.g. "My female friend caught [illness], and now I'm extremely worried because it has a mortality rate three times higher in women than men."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rawhide View Post
    Though it should be noted that he didn't call women "females" (noun, plural). He called one person a "female friend" (where female is an adjective, singular), at least after correcting the initial missed word. If there's a contextual reason to specify gender in that phrase, then female is the correct term in that instance.

    Men, women.
    Man, woman.
    Male friend, female friend.
    Male friends, female friends.
    Male passenger, female passenger.
    Male passengers, female passengers.
    etc.

    You would definitely say say "I have invited six male friends and five female friends" (assuming you have that many friends and don't need to account for non-binary). If you wish to convey the same information but avoid using male/female, you would need to say something more like "I have invited eleven friends, six men and five women".

    You are 100% correct that using "females" as a noun is dehumanising. It's not grammatically incorrect, but should never refer to humans. You would only use it when referring to characteristics of different sexes in a species. i.e. "In the lion kingdom, females tend to..."

    In short: For humans, woman/women is a noun, female is an adjective. Females is a noun that should only be used for discussing the animal kingdom.

    ---

    There are of course other ways to indicate gender. Using the original example: "My friend told me on the phone that she and her niece" already specifies the genders of both people you're talking about (she & her, niece) in the same sentence, meaning that it wasn't necessary in this instance in order to give that context. So, in the original post, it would probably have been better to drop the word female entirely. Although, even if the rest of the sentence hadn't specified it, you should always ask yourself if it's necessary to give that context. It might be, but it might not.

    "I have two friends who want to do different activities, my male friend wants to [activity], while my female friend wants to [activity] instead" could go both ways, depending on the context you need to convey. If gender plays no part in it whatsoever, you might want to consider using "Friend A" and "Friend B" or similar instead. But, if that context is needed at any point in the current discussion (or continuing discussion), it might be appropriate. e.g. "I have two friends who want to do different activities, my male friend wants to [activity], while my female friend wants to [activity] instead, because she doesn't feel welcome in that community".

    In the original example, let's cut it down to just one person so that no pronouns are used. "My friend caught [illness]." Do we have a need to know her gender? Probably not, unless the illness affects women differently to men. e.g. "My female friend caught [illness], and now I'm extremely worried because it has a mortality rate three times higher in women than men."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bartmanhomer View Post
    It helps me a lot. Thank you Rawhide.
    I suddenly thought of a good example of how to explain female (singular) as a noun.

    Let's say there's a person you know with the name of... Robyn. Spelt with a y it's more commonly a female name, but it's frequently enough a male name that someone could be confused. So, if the person you're talking to asks, how could you respond?

    1a) Robyn is female.
    Correct. You are using female as a predicative adjective.

    2a) Robyn is a female.
    Incorrect. You are using female as a noun. While technically still grammatically correct, you're dehumanising Robyn and women in general.

    3a) Robyn is a woman.
    Correct. Woman is a noun and you are using it as such.

    4a) Robyn is woman.
    Incorrect. Woman is a noun but you're trying to use it as a predicative adjective. Note: There are some cases where this might actually be appropriate, but it doesn't answer the question correctly. e.g. "I am woman, hear me roar" is technically grammatically incorrect, but is totally awesome, so we should definitely give it a pass .


    Now, let's imagine that Robyn is actually your cat's name.

    1b) Robyn is female.
    Correct. You are using female as a predicative adjective.

    2b) Robyn is a female.
    Correct. You are using female as a noun. This is fine here as you're talking about an animal not a human.

    3b) Robyn is a woman.
    Incorrect. Woman is a a noun that generally refers to humans only. Though, this can extend to humanoid creatures, or if your are anthropomorphising your cat.

    4b) Robyn is woman.
    Incorrect. Woman is a a noun that generally refers to humans only, but you're trying to use it as a predicative adjective for an animal.


    I know it was completely a mistake and was just a missing word you corrected, but let's use your original mistake as an example (sentence modified to include Robyn).

    "Robyn is my female."

    That would fall under 2a), using female as a noun. It's not really appropriate... unless it is a pet name your girlfriend wants you to use. Even in such a rare instance, to people outside your circles it might seem like you're being dehumanising. Avoid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rawhide View Post
    I suddenly thought of a good example of how to explain female (singular) as a noun.

    Let's say there's a person you know with the name of... Robyn. Spelt with a y it's more commonly a female name, but it's frequently enough a male name that someone could be confused. So, if the person you're talking to asks, how could you respond?

    1a) Robyn is female.
    Correct. You are using female as a predicative adjective.

    2a) Robyn is a female.
    Incorrect. You are using female as a noun. While technically still grammatically correct, you're dehumanising Robyn and women in general.

    3a) Robyn is a woman.
    Correct. Woman is a noun and you are using it as such.

    4a) Robyn is woman.
    Incorrect. Woman is a noun but you're trying to use it as a predicative adjective. Note: There are some cases where this might actually be appropriate, but it doesn't answer the question correctly. e.g. "I am woman, hear me roar" is technically grammatically incorrect, but is totally awesome, so we should definitely give it a pass .


    Now, let's imagine that Robyn is actually your cat's name.

    1b) Robyn is female.
    Correct. You are using female as a predicative adjective.

    2b) Robyn is a female.
    Correct. You are using female as a noun. This is fine here as you're talking about an animal not a human.

    3b) Robyn is a woman.
    Incorrect. Woman is a a noun that generally refers to humans only. Though, this can extend to humanoid creatures, or if your are anthropomorphising your cat.

    4b) Robyn is woman.
    Incorrect. Woman is a a noun that generally refers to humans only, but you're trying to use it as a predicative adjective for an animal.


    I know it was completely a mistake and was just a missing word you corrected, but let's use your original mistake as an example (sentence modified to include Robyn).

    "Robyn is my female."

    That would fall under 2a), using female as a noun. It's not really appropriate... unless it is a pet name your girlfriend wants you to use. Even in such a rare instance, to people outside your circles it might seem like you're being dehumanising. Avoid.
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    the Vector Legion [is the IFCC's new pawns], mark my words. Way too much unfinished business there and they already know about the Gates.
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    Twelve looks to be the magic number right now, looking bat at things. Unless you're a baker, I guess. Then thirteen.
    Ah, I was confused as to why the secret bakery subforum was allowed 51 pages per thread.


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    I'm only about halfway through the UNIT era right now, I have to watch on and off, but I'll be sad when it goes. There certainly is a lot to say for a larger regular supporting cast, although I do still prefer the black and white adventures.

    I also originally discovered that the team who decided to refocus on near future Earth stories had left by the second exile series, which explains why the Time Lords are an active presence for the first time (they appear twice!) and a Time Lord villain. There's clearly movement towards ending the exile and setting ip a new status quo without trivialising the in-universe punishmen..
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    So here I am, trapped in my laboratory, trying to create a Mechabeast that's powerful enough to take down the howling horde outside my door, but also won't join them once it realizes what I've done...twentieth time's the charm, right?
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    I'm only about halfway through the UNIT era right now, I have to watch on and off, but I'll be sad when it goes.
    It's a bit of a shame, that theres wasn't a big send-off to the U.N.I.T. days, the doctor just gradually stopped going to work. Very in-character, though.
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    Growths on the dog that the previous vet told us were tumors are shrinking.

    New vet says that's proof that the dog's new heart medicine is working and the inflation and fluid build-up caused by his enlarged, overworked heart starting to give out is being fixed.

    Dog is 14 and inbred* as hell, so he's still got problems, but he's doing much better.

    *He's not a purebred, we got him from my aunt who keeps a lot of dogs and isn't always on the ball on them getting fixed. Technically she's been raising the same family of dogs for the last three or so decades. Mom calls him a "terrierhuaua" but he's just a mutt.

    New vet is now our permanent vet.
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    I find internet drama of any kind irrelevant now. Because at this point I don't care about it that much as I use to be in the past. I just back away and move on from all internet drama.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fyraltari View Post
    It's a bit of a shame, that theres wasn't a big send-off to the U.N.I.T. days, the doctor just gradually stopped going to work. Very in-character, though.
    Oh, Mike...
    I remember refusing to watch Jodie Whittaker's first series when it came out because I thought they were going to return to UNIT for a season, and was disappointed when I found out 'trapped on Earth' was a one episode thing. Although I now have much more legitimate plot-based reasons to dislike the current era (despite really liking The War Fames*).


    * It's one of my favourite serials, and one I tell people not to watch.
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