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Thread: Silliest Material in 3.5e?
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Re: Silliest Material in 3.5e?
Another thing that just came to mind.
The way skill points at first level work in conjunction with multiclassing. They add a x4 multiplier to level 1, which is normally fine but has this weird interaction with multiclassing.
If you want to multiclass, you want to take the highest skill point per level one at first level (yes, this matters). So if you take a Fighter at level 1 and then rogue at level 2 your class levels will have given 16 skill points (2x4 for fighter 1 then +8 for rogue), buuuut if you take rogue at first levle and fighter at second level you get 34 skill points (8x4 at level 1 +2 at level 2).....
These characters could otherwise be identical, but one has significantly more skills for..... reasons.
I think PF1e did the right thing by changing the x4 at first level to a +3 bonus for the first skill point invested in a skill. Axes the possibility of this nonsense.
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How does that work? So you get an automatic +3 to a skill by putting a point into it?
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Re: Silliest Material in 3.5e?
Yeah you get a +3 bonus at a skill when you put your first point in. This replaces the x4 skill points at level 1, effectively it's the same thing as always maxing a skill when you're making a first level character.
I like this change because of it stopping the order of multiclassing from changing your skill points total.
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And I don't like this change because I tend to put 1 skill point into a lot of skills I have high ability mods for. It really kills any hope of being able to have a broad array of trained-only skills, like Knowledge. Why can't I be a well-read person instead of one who focused really heavily on a couple of skills? It's a stupidly heavy nerf to rogues and any character that invests in Int.
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To be fair, PF has Int boosts give more skill points. I still like dropping a point or two into skills that I think might be useful or fit my character though.
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Honestly, skills in this game don't really make much sense: I've never actually seen "downtime" as a thing in these games except between major stories so in practice you're leaving up and gaining skills regardless of if you've used that kill recently.
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This goes for all editions, really, but a Warlock is under no obligation to honor any deals or pacts they might have made to get their magical powers.
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Re: Silliest Material in 3.5e?
The Warmage, Beguiler, Dread Necromancer, Wu Jen, etc, made a lot more sense when I thought of them as replacements for the base arcane casters (less powerful, more thematic, less bland), in much the same way that the Warblade makes a far better fighter+. One thing I always kind of wanted to try in 3e was a "no core classes" campaign.
That, and I'm fairly sure that after 2.5 billion cases of "my Paladin lost his powers for not petting a kitten" threads, they didn't want to open that can of worms again.Last edited by Azuresun; 2021-02-18 at 06:03 AM.
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I am running a pathfinder game that bans classes for core, in fact everyone needs to be a veil (pf incarnum, 3rd party) or path of war (pf ToB, same 3rd party as veils). It is working surprisingly well, better than core classes, as long as I do not through too many only magic can fix it stuff around. Those classes have a much higher floor and my players are new, but it works well. Magic users are more or less absent from the setting, and if you need a spell better go find an outsider. Feels a LOT better for worldbuilding than person X casts a spell and fixes it always.
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The problem with "low magic" though is that the game literally assumes that you have gear to make up the difference. Although for PF specifically I hear there's a way of getting scaling bonuses with levels? I think that variant rule set was called something like bounded accuracy?
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I remember the 3.5e epic handbook. The heal seed? Completely overpowered in my opinion, all you have to do is grab multispell, the epic seed heal with a quickened round and personal effect, and your unstoppable. Healing all aspects in a single round while dealing massive damage.
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I'm pretty sure you literally cannot use metamagic-related abilities with epic spells and you also have to be a divine caster to use it. Plus quickening it ups the DC a lot and the cost as well, not to mention that it's explicitly RAW that your DM can veto too ridiculous combinations.
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Not quadruple, triple digits. However, that being said, Their are all types of variables to take into consideration. The legendary ability scores, the Enscrolled ability, my Great Ability Score feats, all types of goodies.
Limitless spells per day. And the most important thing is: I am having lots of fun. SO, I don't really care about what's 'Forebidden' because he allows us, so....yeah!All hail Jazath, Creator and Administrator of The Borg. They will bring order to this chaotic omniverse and impose their absolute will upon all creation.
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Re: Silliest Material in 3.5e?
Well if we include stuff that applies across editions there is a demon whose name sounds like “You know who” explicitly so that people trying to talk about other demons without accidentally summoning them through mentioning their names will instead accidentally summon this demon through saying things like “We better be careful not to attract the attention of you know who!”.
https://dnd.wizards.com/articles/fea...-prince-gnolls
There is also the gelatinous cube, the only monster I know of that evolved to conveniently fit dungeons mappable in graph paper.
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Anyone can craft in PF with a feat, at least for arms and armor and wonderous which covers a LOT. Viziers, veilweaver class from DSP, have a specific crafting path that gives them pretty much all crafting feats. Viziers also can explicitly use any charged item by just investing 1 essense at the start of the day, so all staves and wands that are found are usable easily.
Preqeqs or lack thereof just increases DC by 5 per. And since pf crafting is 1k gp a day and explicitly doably while adventuring with no associated XP costs it is vasty superior to 3.5 crafting from a PC standpoint.
Automatic bonus progression is nice, that the option you mentioned, but I like my players to be able make what they want. Especiallu because one player has a bad habit of unintentionally rolling so bad that he makes cursed items and its funny.
On topic: Leveling order. It so niche and weird in usage, and at any table I have been in not really followed, but it can lead to weird states where you cannot qualify for things until 1 to 3 levels later because you could not qualify in time.
Also the lack of any reason to NOT prestige ASAP for pretty much every class since so many PRCs are all of class X stuff plus more.
Also, PRCs which are not full progression have no reason to exist if you have full progression classes that are full upgrades. Those two should not exist side by side. Mostly applies to caster PRCs, big surprise they are better, but examples accross all.
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Oh man if this thread is just about anything silly now even if it's not rules legal then we should all take a look at the Lightning Warrior.
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Also Complete Arcane:
Long ago, they (or in some cases, their ancestors) forged grim pacts with dangerous extraplanar powers, trading portions of their souls in exchange for supernatural power. While many warlocks have turned away from evil, seeking to undo the wrongs of their former colleagues, they are still chained by the old pacts through which they acquired their powers. The demand to further the designs of their dark patrons, or to resist them, drives most warlocks to seek the opportunities for power, wealth, and great deeds (for good or ill) offered by adventuring.
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My point there was: since there are absolutely no necessity for the very existence of "deals or pacts" - it's pretty weird to point you can ignore them
Just one canonical example: "The Amarantha Agenda" adventure (Dungeon #123). Amarantha in question is a dryad who was unwillingly bound to Ironmaw which forced on her Half-Fiend template and Warlock class. To the end of the adventure, Amarantha successfully got rid of Ironmaw and Half-Fiend template - but not of Warlock class. How it's possible, if the very source of her abilities is gone now?