OOTS #1226 - The Discussion Thread

[EmperorSarda]

Presuming it is Serini, the whole memory potion indicates she believes they are looking for the gate. When in reality they're just trying to stop Xykon.

Although with the words saying it was nice to exist, does she believe that kidnapping the paladins will be the death of them? Or is she in favor of the gods destroying the world?

She and the other Scribblers probably knew the gods debated on destroying the world, right? So... She must want the gods the destroy the world?

[Peelee]

Hmmm. A thought occurs to me. She has missing limbs, and Durkon does have everything needed for Regenerate....

Presuming it is Serini, the whole memory potion indicates she believes they are looking for the gate. When in reality they're just trying to stop Xykon.

Although with the words saying it was nice to exist, does she believe that kidnapping the paladins will be the death of them? Or is she in favor of the gods destroying the world?

She and the other Scribblers probably knew the gods debated on destroying the world, right? So... She must want the gods the destroy the world?

She knows the other 4 gates have fallen and now knows all the players are at her gate. An assumption that existence may end soon is natural. She wasn't happy about the possibility of reality ending and I never understood how people took it that way.

[RMS Oceanic]

Hmmm. A thought occurs to me. She has missing limbs, and Durkon does have everything needed for Regenerate....


She knows the other 4 gates have fallen and now knows all the players are at her gate. An assumption that existence may end soon is natural. She wasn't happy about the possibility of reality ending and I never understood how people took it that way.

To be fair we didn't know who was talking at the time or why they'd feel that way.

[danielxcutter]

Hmmm. A thought occurs to me. She has missing limbs, and Durkon does have everything needed for Regenerate....

...Hmm.

She knows the other 4 gates have fallen and now knows all the players are at her gate. An assumption that existence may end soon is natural. She wasn't happy about the possibility of reality ending and I never understood how people took it that way.

Honestly, compared to the flashbacks Serini seems much more... pessimistic and bitter than she used to be. That might be relevant.

[Xihirli]

It was Serini AND Redcloak's Niece!

[bengator]

That is one unnecessarily long cloak she has on. Hope it doesn’t get caught on anything, superhero cape style!

[doctor23]

Ok so here's the Scribblers

Soon - Dead we've seen his ghost
Dourukan - Dead killed by Xykon
Draketooth - Dead we've seen his remains in his grave
Kraagor - Presumed dead because of the scene with the mourning and the statue plus I mean we are at Kraagor's Tomb but hey stranger things have happened in this comic. FTR I do believe Kraagor is dead or at least "dead"
Serini - Standing right in front of us albeit looking a bit weird
Liran - Did she die back in the forest when her gate was taken out? I honestly don't know can't remember.

So crackpot theories for orange voice

Liran if she's still hanging on to this mortal coil
"Kraagor" - In some sort of golem form perhaps. Like I said stranger things have happened in this comic

[Schroeswald]

Ok so here's the Scribblers

Soon - Dead we've seen his ghost
Dourukan - Dead killed by Xykon
Draketooth - Dead we've seen his remains in his grave
Kraagor - Presumed dead because of the scene with the mourning and the statue plus I mean we are at Kraagor's Tomb but hey stranger things have happened in this comic. FTR I do believe Kraagor is dead or at least "dead"
Serini - Standing right in front of us albeit looking a bit weird
Liran - Did she die back in the forest when her gate was taken out? I honestly don't know can't remember.

So crackpot theories for orange voice

Liran if she's still hanging on to this mortal coil
"Kraagor" - In some sort of golem form perhaps. Like I said stranger things have happened in this comic

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Xykon 100% killed Lirian, and then zombified her corpse, and then also trapped her soul in a crystal, she is absolutely not orange voice

[Shining Wrath]

Short person on stool: confirmed!
Left side of body greenish: what the hell is that? Is this some sort of replacement of halfling flesh with goblin / kobold flesh?
And given the age of the halfling: we have Serini!

[dancrilis]

Dourukan - Dead killed by Xykon
Liran - Did she die back in the forest when her gate was taken out? I honestly don't know can't remember.

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Dorukan - Dead, soul in Xykon's pocket.
Lirian - Dead, soul in Xykon's pocket.

[faustin]

Why the extra long cloak? I mean besides the dramatic reveal effect.

[grandpheonix]

Ok so here's the Scribblers

Soon - Dead we've seen his ghost
Dourukan - Dead killed by Xykon
Draketooth - Dead we've seen his remains in his grave
Kraagor - Presumed dead because of the scene with the mourning and the statue plus I mean we are at Kraagor's Tomb but hey stranger things have happened in this comic. FTR I do believe Kraagor is dead or at least "dead"
Serini - Standing right in front of us albeit looking a bit weird
Liran - Did she die back in the forest when her gate was taken out? I honestly don't know can't remember.

So crackpot theories for orange voice

Liran if she's still hanging on to this mortal coil
"Kraagor" - In some sort of golem form perhaps. Like I said stranger things have happened in this comic

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Lirian was soul trapped inside of a gem, and used to lure Dorukon out.

[hamishspence]

Wow what happened to her?

Left side of body greenish: what the hell is that? Is this some sort of replacement of halfling flesh with goblin / kobold flesh?

I would speculate that she now has the half-golem template. Given that Crystal, who was a variant flesh golem, had purple text - maybe this green is for half-clay golems?

[Peelee]

To be fair we didn't know who was talking at the time or why they'd feel that way.

Yeah but it still felt like an overly pessimistic reading of it to me, especially since it sounded more wistful than anything.

[BloodSquirrel]

Whaaaaaaaaaat! Shes green voice? Then who's orange voice?

The green half of her. Obviously.

[danielxcutter]

I would speculate that she now has the half-golem template. Given that Crystal, who was a variant flesh golem, had purple text - maybe this green is for half-clay golems?

I kinda hope she's not a half-golem though, because that template is horrible for your mental stats even if you make your save.

[Ghosty]

So if the plan is to make them forget... then why abduct them in the first place?

Because if the people you abduct, simply disappear, the people who sent them will only send more to see what happened. Plus, now they'll be on guard against being disappeared themselves.

Send back the abductees with a totally convincing story that, whatever they're looking for, it isn't here, and your hunters will move off and look somewhere else. Only works if you're absolutely sure in your amnesiac and that your implanted story remains intact.

I really like The Terminator-style that the Giant cobbled up for this elderly Halfling's face. Looks like something Grubwiggler might have thrown together. It's probably intensely painful.

I also wonder if mentioning Xykon will serve like Minrah mentioning the Snarl did to Thor: here's your password that entitles us to different treatment than usual.

[Nazzo, the 102nd]

"Half Expected" is a brilliant comic name. Rich created this expectation with the last comic. The details in the room, the short arm. So we all expected to be Serini, and it is, but not quite what we were thinking. But also, this is only half of her. Well done, Rich, sir.

And looks like someone took classes in big reveals. Why use a long coat like that if not only for dramatic tension? Somewhere in Kraagor's Tomb, Elan senses a peaceful balance in the force.

[The Pilgrim]

Finally, Serini shows up. And alive!

Well, half alive, at least.

Looks like Xykon didn't find her diary in a public library, after all.

[danielxcutter]

"Half Expected" is a brilliant comic name. Rich created this expectation with the last comic. The details in the room, the short arm. So we all expected to be Serini, and it is, but not quite what we were thinking. But also, this is only half of her. Well done, Rich, sir.

And looks like someone took classes in big reveals. Why use a long coat like that if not only for dramatic tension? Somewhere in Kraagor's Tomb, Elan senses a peaceful balance in the force.

Also Serini is a halfling. Or, well, a quarterling now I guess. Ouch.

Incidentally I suspect her cloak's so big is because that's what she uses to fly. Wings of Flying are a thing.

[Werbaer]

Presuming it is Serini, the whole memory potion indicates she believes they are looking for the gate. When in reality they're just trying to stop Xykon.

In #1189, O-Chul was pondering about how to find the gate just before he was attacked.

[BloodSquirrel]

Ok so here's the Scribblers

Soon - Dead we've seen his ghost
Dourukan - Dead killed by Xykon
Draketooth - Dead we've seen his remains in his grave
Kraagor - Presumed dead because of the scene with the mourning and the statue plus I mean we are at Kraagor's Tomb but hey stranger things have happened in this comic. FTR I do believe Kraagor is dead or at least "dead"
Serini - Standing right in front of us albeit looking a bit weird
Liran - Did she die back in the forest when her gate was taken out? I honestly don't know can't remember.

So crackpot theories for orange voice

Liran if she's still hanging on to this mortal coil
"Kraagor" - In some sort of golem form perhaps. Like I said stranger things have happened in this comic

Kraagor is dead- he was eaten by the snarl, which is what broke up the Scribblers. Well, okay, there's an outside chance that he's still alive on Snarl-World, but for now he's "dead".

[danielxcutter]

...Huh, now that I think of it, why'd Serini kidnap the paladins? If she didn't want them to find the Gate, she could have just left them there instead. Making them forget something wouldn't really change that.

[b_jonas]

One red and one black eye, had a conversation with herself in two differently colored voices. Is it too early to start calling her Gollum?

[Fyraltari]

So if the plan is to make them forget... then why abduct them in the first place?

Probably going to interrogate them before making them drink. Or do something else, I dunno.

EDIT: I do wonder what her game is exactly: she assumes that they were sent by someone (presumably SG leadership) to look for her/the Tomb and wants them to report finding nothing, so I guess she has a plan to take out Xykon under her own power. Sounds awfully bold though I would venture revenge features more than a little in her intentions.

EDIT the second of her name:

One red and one black eye, had a conversation with herself in two differently colored voices. Is it too early to start calling her Gollum?

Gollum's eyes are both of the same colours. Also we have no reason to think Orange isn't an associate of hers.

[Ghosty]

...Huh, now that I think of it, why'd Serini kidnap the paladins? If she didn't want them to find the Gate, she could have just left them there instead. Making them forget something wouldn't really change that.

I got the impression that, in addition to mindwiping them, she'd feed them a suggestion or two that 'they'd looked high and low, and didn't find anything.' So they'd go somewhere else to look for the Gate.

[BaronOfHell]

Aha, even though the battle between the Order and Xykon will go awry, the world will ultimately be saved, however only a heavily wounded Belkar survives.
Sadly the RedCloak will also perish in the battle, and many years in the future the world will once again begin to unravel. Belkar, the only person left alive who knows about the plot (thanks to Elan's story telling on the mechane) manages to travel back in time to the place where it all went wrong, now his mission is to make sure things goes right so RC can help sealing the rifts.

Also Belkar had a sex change at some point after defeating Xykon.

[Grey_Wolf_c]

So if the plan is to make them forget... then why abduct them in the first place?

I'm guessing to prevent them from getting killed, and thus prompting for more paladins to show up. Also to send a report of "everything is fine, no need to investigate", like she said. She doesn't seem to believe they can help, so she wants them out of the way.

Liran if she's still hanging on to this mortal coil

Lirian and Dorukan's souls are both trapped in a gemstone last seen in Xykon's possession.

Why the extra long cloak? I mean besides the dramatic reveal effect.

Not a lot of haberdashers in the north pole. It might be the one she has, but it is shaped for human height, and she can't re-fit it to her size.

GW

[Peelee]

Kraagor is dead- he was eaten by the snarl, which is what broke up the Scribblers. Well, okay, there's an outside chance that he's still alive on Snarl-World, but for now he's "dead".

Which is why they wrote presumed dead. It was in crayon, which is not 100% reliable, so he's likely dead but we are not 100% certain, while we are 100% certain about the others. Hence, presumed dead.

[Sam K]

Guessing the orange voice is ALSO Serini, but the left side of her. With an orange right side.

Which raises the question what the boop Xykon did to her? All we know is it didn't involve a reflex save for half damage...

Long shot: the orange side has her physical abilities and the green side has her mental. The green side seems to use mostly mental abilities (bluffing, poison) whereas the orange one is less prone to reflection, but it was useful to help carrying knocked-out paladins. But yeah, long shot, based on absolutely very little. Just something that popped into my head.

Also Belkar had a sex change at some point after defeating Xykon.

Or defeating Xykon INVOLVED a sex change.

It wouldn't be the first time the order uses that trick to help out in a fight...