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Serini and her Sidekick
I think we can put together quite a lot of reasonably solid information now.
The mysterious green voice from 1189 was in fact Serini and is the same as the cloaked captor in recent strips.
Serini had an encounter with Xykon where she lost the her diary and the left side of her body.
Her medical treatment seems to have been to have someone apply a half-golem template.
It also seems that Serini is left-handed. This is very clear in the recent strips, but also she refers to her left hand as her "first hand". Also in 196 she waves with her left hand. This seems like a deliberate decision on the part of the author but I don't know if it will be plot significant.
The dartboard is curious. It clearly seems to be Serini keeping her hand in. She can't be that bad because presumably she was the one who took down Lien and O'Chul.
Also not sure what to make of the "children's drawings."
So it seems that coloured text on a coloured background is construct speech. This can also be seen in the Crystal's Revenge arc.
Therefore we may conclude that the orange voice from 1189 is also something construct related. I guess that the same person who applied the half-golem template to Serini built the Orange voice as an aid and to keep Serini company.
This makes sense then of the talk about existing. That is appropriate language for a construct or at least for a half-construct talking to a construct. I suspect that the exchange is recognition on Serini's part that the presence of paladins (and other indications to her that hers is the last gate) that probably the end of the world is nigh. As such there is nothing odd about that exchange and it all makes sense.
Coming back to the children's drawings. My guess is that they are Serini's. They look like the drawings in the diary. The penalties in the half-golem template could explain their child-like nature. The paradox is that she no longer looks like a mischievous little rascal that she did in the flashbacks. Now she looks bitter, worn, old and half-golem.Ever wondered how many games are mentioned in the comic? I have listed them all in a geeklist: https://boardgamegeek.com/geeklist/2...es-order-stick
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2021-02-20, 06:17 AM (ISO 8601)
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Her comment on wands. Since wands (and swords, and arrows, and...) are somewhat phallic, you can make a parrallel with penis-having sex partners, and the exact same words work just as well. Wich is funny.
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2021-02-20, 07:55 AM (ISO 8601)
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Well, no, because you imply that the author intended either of those things, "to" being short for "in order to". One or both of those things may in fact happen, but the author's intention may also in fact be that she exists in the comic without being a plot point.I'm pretty much the opposite of concise. If I fail to get to the point, please ask me and I'm happy to (attempt to) clarify.
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I don't follow your logic here. It never occurred to me that Grubwiggler may have done Serini's half-golem work. But now you mention it I think that is entirely possible.
I am guessing that your thinking is that each golem creator creates golems with a different colour speech bubble. I think it is far more likely that the colour of the speech bubble tells you the golem type. So presumably Crystal had purple because she was a flesh golem. Presumably Serini has green because she is an iron half-golem. And the orange voice has orange because he is a clay golem. So no living beings were harmed in his making.
So the argument that it is Grubwiggler is conservation of detail. Maybe that suggests that the Serini/Xykon meeting was in Greysky City.
This would imply that the whole Celia/Grubwiggler arc was a sort of foreshadowing of the reveal about a Serini/Grubwiggler interaction.Ever wondered how many games are mentioned in the comic? I have listed them all in a geeklist: https://boardgamegeek.com/geeklist/2...es-order-stick
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2021-02-20, 09:35 AM (ISO 8601)
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I'd have made her the half-clay golem, and Orange Being the half-iron golem - because iron rusts, and orange is the colour of rust.
Whereas clay is associated with soil, and plants grow in soil, and plants are green.
Plus there isn't much "metallicness" about the non-flesh parts of her face.Marut-2 Avatar by Serpentine
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2021-02-20, 09:58 AM (ISO 8601)
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I don't know about this half-golem theory.
Mind you, it seems reasonable, to some extent, on the other hand someone pointed in the comic thread that she hasn't any stitch (like all the golems we have seen), which is quite a good point.
The two sides seems more like blending, instead of one attached to the other.
Moreover creating a golem seems overall more expensive than casting a regeneration spell. (I give for granted that to make move a piece of dead flesh, or clay or iron, you must anyway bind an elemental spirit in it and do the usually steps required to create a full golem).
The only reason to choice such an outcome would be to gain the (honestly awesome) immunity magics related to golems. But at that point Serini shouldn't resent such a choice.
Are there any more ideas about what Serini could be?
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2021-02-20, 10:12 AM (ISO 8601)
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First of all we have not seen an iron (or a clay) golem as far as I recall. But if we did would you expect it to be stitched together?
With regards to the blending, I suppose that is more her flesh adapting to the "new organs" over many years.
Another thing. Compare the colour of Serini's left side to that of the chains.Last edited by Mad Humanist; 2021-02-20 at 10:13 AM.
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2021-02-20, 10:23 AM (ISO 8601)
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The chains look grey, not green, in close-up.
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The half-flesh golem has stitches - none of the others do. The half-iron golem's parts look much more mechanical than Serini's do though.Marut-2 Avatar by Serpentine
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2021-02-20, 10:41 AM (ISO 8601)
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I agree with the half clay-golem theory. The non-flesh parts of her body look more like mud or clay than anything else, at least to me. As for the stitches, I think that's a flesh-golem-only thing, because you sew flesh to flesh (like sewing a wound). Makes sense to me that clay golem grafts would just adhere to the flesh.
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2021-02-20, 11:05 AM (ISO 8601)
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I presume glued on, to make Serini feel better about herself.
And I would say Serini's left side looks more grey than green, though with a greenish tinge to be sure. Pretty much like the chains.
Much though I appreciate the pictures, I would not set much store by them. Golems are generally fighting machines. A golemization process done as an emergency procedure to a rogue, might be a bit more finessed.
Though to be fair if it was GRubwiggler he was paying more attention to the needs of the customer than he did to Celia.
Also how does that stone half-golem eat or go to the loo?Last edited by Mad Humanist; 2021-02-20 at 11:07 AM.
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2021-02-20, 11:26 AM (ISO 8601)
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I'd say a far closer match is to the walls of the room, than to the chains.
With difficulty, presumably. Or, all those half-golems failed their will saves against turning into Constructs - only a half-golem who passes their Will Save, retains their type and alignment. Constructs don't need to eat, sleep, or breathe, in D&D.Last edited by hamishspence; 2021-02-20 at 11:28 AM.
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2021-02-20, 11:53 AM (ISO 8601)
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Is it possible this is a Frankenstein Health Care Package that isn't within the D&D rules, or more specifically, within the half-golem template rules? I seem to remember Pathfinder having Alchemist alt-class features that allowed the patchwork approach, but not sure if 3.5 had anything other than the Flesh Golem.
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Would a (half-)golem limb, which is made of iron or clay, still grow hair? Because Serini has white hair on her green foot.
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