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2021-02-25, 11:50 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1227 - The Discussion Thread
What I'm still wondering is how Xykon would have known to even track down Serini. She looks young in the flashbacks, so this apparently happened a long time ago...
So much important information is in her diary, and it's easy to figure out her identity and about the other Order of the Scribble with it. But without the diary, it still begs the question of how he would know to go after her.Avatar by linklele!
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2021-02-25, 11:52 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1227 - The Discussion Thread
Loving the recent updates.
Is it just me, or is it not a particularly well hidden Troll village, at least given the glimpse we get - seems to be rather out in the open!
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2021-02-25, 11:52 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1227 - The Discussion Thread
And what do we learn from this?
Not being a murder-hobo is good for your health.
I don't think it was intentional, really.
Dorukan and Lirian might well have agreed with the core plan of keeping the Gates and their defenses independent from each other, but not the "never see your lover again" part.
I don't think they were in contact with Girard and Serini though. I think those two trusted the rest of the party as much as each other. Definitely not Soon.
Basically a split between the chaotic and the more lawfully inclined parts of the party.
And Soon himself? Paladin. Of course he stuck to the alignment. He'd probably have ignored any attempt to communicate."If it lives it can be killed.
If it is dead it can be eaten."
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2021-02-25, 11:54 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1227 - The Discussion Thread
Horrific scars. Friends with trolls. Capturing paladins. Toying with prisoners.
Damn. Serini has gone full villain.
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2021-02-25, 11:54 AM (ISO 8601)
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2021-02-25, 11:57 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1227 - The Discussion Thread
As for why Xykon didn't finish her off, he was excited.
Don't you get that in games? Just as the plot is taking off and the quests get interesting the players forget to do something because they're so eager to find the next plot point? We know how easily Xykon gets bored and here he had a book of useful information central to his next rampage and filled with juicy secrets.
Make sure the owner is dead? Meh whatever. Sure it's a mistake but it's a mistake that gets made a lot in-game.
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2021-02-25, 11:58 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1227 - The Discussion Thread
Which just makes this whole "break all contact" situation even sadder. Maybe Serini reached out to warn them all about Xykon, and maybe some of those communications didn't get through. "Hey there's an epic sorcerer Lich headed your way, and he knows EXACTLY where the gates are." would be vital tactical info for any of them.
My money's on us learning even more about what happened to the Scribblers. Maybe not right now, but at some point before the finale.
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2021-02-25, 11:59 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1227 - The Discussion Thread
Further support for the thesis that the spell Xykon cast was Horrid Wilting, is the way it’s depicted (black shadowy cloudy cone) when the Exarch tries to cast it from a scroll, and Belkar disrupts the spell.
Last edited by Hiro Quester; 2021-02-25 at 12:05 PM. Reason: Belkar was autocorrected to “Bella’s”
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2021-02-25, 12:01 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1227 - The Discussion Thread
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2021-02-25, 12:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1227 - The Discussion Thread
Hidden is relative, I guess?.
It might just be hard to get to and/or far away from everything.
And Serini got attacked almost right next to it.
Or maybe it's a hidden troll village, not a hidden troll village. The locals don't hide the settlement, but that they're trolls."If it lives it can be killed.
If it is dead it can be eaten."
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2021-02-25, 12:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1227 - The Discussion Thread
Perhaps Xykon didn't know that this particular handling was Serini? Until he looted her diary, anyway. Though I can't see Xykon looting some random's nonmagical book. As already noted, he likely that he thought it more funny to think of a Troll village taking her apart, than to spend any extra time killing her himself. He certainly wouldn't think they'd do anything else with her. And Xykon isn't exactly thorough or conscientious.
Perhaps he got distracted by something else that prevented him from making sure she was dead. Perhaps he simply didn't consider her a threat. If you don't make it personal with Xykon, or offend his ego, Xykon will still try to kill you, but he won't put his...well, "heart" is the wrong word...into it.
Though it is odd that, if Serini was carrying a load of magic items like she said (she might've been lying) that he wouldn't have looted them too. There's two parts to that "Kill them and take their stuff" trope, and he likes both. Especially if "they usually have pretty good stuff!"
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2021-02-25, 12:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1227 - The Discussion Thread
Those trolls in panel 6... I guess noses do exist in this world after all.
Soon did do heavy damage. Would've killed Xykon and RC single-handedly, despite already being dead himself.(This signature intentionally left blank)
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2021-02-25, 12:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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2021-02-25, 12:09 PM (ISO 8601)
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2021-02-25, 12:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1227 - The Discussion Thread
Yep, it's official. I will now be reading the rest of Serini's lines in the voice of old Toph from Legend of Korra. That last panel especially works.
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2021-02-25, 12:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1227 - The Discussion Thread
I think the scrags that attacked the fleet also had noses.
Soon did do heavy damage. Would've killed Xykon and RC single-handedly, despite already being dead himself.Cool elan Illithid Slayer by linkele.
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2021-02-25, 12:20 PM (ISO 8601)
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2021-02-25, 12:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1227 - The Discussion Thread
I don't think it was a habit of his. He only did it to Dorukan to twist his "wanting to be with his woman" not realizing they would be fine with that.
I'm not so sure, we only have evidence that serini talked to Girard once, and Dorukan and Lirian were already together before. We have no evidence any other contact happened. then again, it's possible Dorukan provided the teleportation trap of Monster Hollow (then again, if my understanding of D&D magic is correct, somebody would be needed to recast the spell regularly right? Then it's not him.)
Xykon disapeared six years ago and came back with the diary three years ago. Either this is a continuity mistake or Serini kept her brown hair longer than usual. Or maybe she went white prematurely from the trauma of the attack, weirder things have been known to happen.
Please, she's barely at mischevious neutral level.Forum Wisdom
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2021-02-25, 12:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1227 - The Discussion Thread
Serini is the best. Seriously, what a cool character. Feels like something you'd see in a real D&D game, too - "this is my elderly halfling roguen whose been partially transformed by an infusion of troll blood."
I'm kinda surprised that O-Chul didn't state the obvious; simple friendship with monsters oughta be something he knows all about, eh? But then J guess that does set up Serini's great line, out-Gooding the paladin.Avatar by the one and only Ceika.
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2021-02-25, 12:30 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1227 - The Discussion Thread
"If it lives it can be killed.
If it is dead it can be eaten."
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2021-02-25, 12:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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2021-02-25, 12:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1227 - The Discussion Thread
Which makes her getting thwacked in the head by Serini in a, "Zen Master corrects pupil," way, quite appropriate. That's how I understood that panel.
I wonder how the beneficial arrangement between Serini and the Trolls even started? Good thing she tried dealing with them as individual sentient entities, inherently worthy of respect.
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2021-02-25, 12:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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Yeah, more like a dope slap than anything.
I wonder how the beneficial arrangement between Serini and the Trolls even started? Good thing she tried dealing with them as individual sentient entities, inherently worthy of respect.Cool elan Illithid Slayer by linkele.
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2021-02-25, 12:52 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1227 - The Discussion Thread
In fact, O-Chul's approach was actually more insightful in a way.
Just saying "you were friends" only looks at Serini's individual interaction with the trolls.
Saying "simply buying from them is likely more respect than they've ever received from any of us" looks at the broader picture, and acknowledges what life is like for most trolls when interacting with PC races. Recognizing an isolated friendship doesn't take much insight, but O-Chul's outlook is clearly a lot more empathetic.Last edited by Ionathus; 2021-02-25 at 12:53 PM.
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2021-02-25, 12:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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2021-02-25, 12:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1227 - The Discussion Thread
3.0 SRD says it "A thin, green ray springs from the character's pointing finger, causing the creature or object it strikes to glow and vanish, leaving behind only a trace of fine dust. The character must make a successful ranged touch attack to hit. Up to a 10-foot cube of nonliving matter is affected, so the spell disintegrates only part of any very large object or structure targeted. The ray affects even magical matter or energy of a magical nature but not a globe of invulnerability or an antimagic field. A creature or object that makes a successful Fortitude save is only partially affected. It takes 5d6 points of damage instead of disintegrating. Only the first creature or object struck can be affected (that is, the ray affects only one target per casting)."
So you tell me what happens in 3.0? It only gets the first creature OR object, which means if it hits a creature it should not get any objects, including carried objects. But the creature vanishes, leaving behind only fine dust, so maybe it doesn't leave objects carried.
Who knows? I don't have my actual books handy, which might give more information in the "fluff" not included in the SRD.
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2021-02-25, 12:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1227 - The Discussion Thread
You're right, the white hair has to be a side effect of Xykon's attack or the troll's blood. Maybe she looks old now but she's probably still relatively young for a halfling.
Now that I think about it, the troll's blood explains the green face and limbs but why it's the speech bubble green? Have we seen any kind of troll speaking in the comic before? Is that the way they talk or it's something different that we still don't know about?
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2021-02-25, 01:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1227 - The Discussion Thread
We have seen a sea troll speak here.
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2021-02-25, 01:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1227 - The Discussion Thread
so how many people called "troll blood"? i'm not gonna scroll through the discussion for the last comic!
her hair resisted xykon's attack better than her flesh though O_o
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2021-02-25, 01:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1227 - The Discussion Thread
I wonder how Serini and the MitD will get along if they meet.
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