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2021-03-02, 05:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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Tyrannosaurus??? HA!
It's all about the Titanosaurus
We are gonna attack a city. Tyrannosaurus isn't good enough. This is a war.
I'll cast Tenser's on myself and hold a bottle of potion of growth in my mouth... my friend here will do the same, minus Tenser's Transformation.
We have 2 sorcerers. You twin haste... you twin polymorph titanosaurus.
Time to twin godzilla the enemy stronghold
Not theory crafting, this is a plan for an upcoming session.... except we think one of us might be a giant ape instead of a titanosaurus.... so he can ride the other in.Last edited by Aaedimus; 2021-03-02 at 07:07 PM.
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2021-03-02, 08:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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2021-03-02, 08:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Tyrannosaurus??? HA!
For bonus points, somebody should play the Jurassic Park theme on their phone while this scene happens.
A trick used at my table has been polymorphing an actual TRex into a mouse. And then tying it to an arrow.
You shoot the arrow, it lands, the mouse loses the 2 HP it had from fall damage, and boom, TRex.Last edited by Angelalex242; 2021-03-02 at 08:18 PM.
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2021-03-02, 08:20 PM (ISO 8601)
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2021-03-02, 08:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Tyrannosaurus??? HA!
What is a titanosaurus and where is it from? The only search results I'm finding seem to be marked as homebrew.
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2021-03-02, 09:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Tyrannosaurus??? HA!
It's homebrew as far as quality goes (just like Tasha's, frankly) but "blessed" by AL for use in AL play.
See https://www.dmsguild.com/m/product/220567Last edited by MaxWilson; 2021-03-02 at 09:09 PM.
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2021-03-02, 09:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Tyrannosaurus??? HA!
It’s in a weird, official but not official place.
When Tomb of Annihilation was released, they worked with some of their freelancers on creating content for DMs Guild, which had just launched.
And their content received a sort of seal of approval, getting the thumbs up even for AL use but wasn’t ever included in any official print book.
Also included in that content is the Entropy Domain for Clerics.
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2021-03-03, 05:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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2021-03-03, 06:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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I'm pretty sure the intent is to drink the potion after the Polymorph has taken effect, so that the transformed state gets the benefit of the potion instead of the PC's base form being under the potion's effect, which the Polymorph would override if it were applied after the potion was used as the standard ruling is conditions don't transfer to polymorphed states?
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2021-03-04, 05:57 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Tyrannosaurus??? HA!
But it takes an action to drink a potion, does it not? And that would also require hands?
It seems to me that the OP is making use of creatively applied game mechanics to achieve the "good stuff", but appears to rely on "narrative" where the game mechanics are inconvenient.
I'm sure the GM would allow that, though. But it must be a bit demotivating for the players to have this great plan for unleashing unparalleled destruction, and have the GM "allow it" instead of being forced to accept it.
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2021-03-04, 07:20 AM (ISO 8601)
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Yes it takes an action to drink or administer a potion by RAW, but funnily enough the requirement of using hands to do so is absent from the books. A very reasonable ruling, but not a RAW requirement.
But in this regard, the poster has made a case for getting around the 'lack of hands' issue by pursing the potion in their mouth ready to drink after the Polymorph takes effect.
Where it actually falls over (not that I'd condone being this kind of DM, just pointing it out for discussion purposes) is in the last lines of the spell text of Polymorph itself.
Originally Posted by PHB p266
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2021-03-04, 07:44 AM (ISO 8601)
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2021-03-04, 08:53 AM (ISO 8601)
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Yeah, I agree with that interpretation of RAW, but OUCH! That'd be a tough blow to the players. Like, "I'm afraid I can't make next session 'cause stuff came up" sort of tough.
However, the sheer awesomeness of the plan will surely make its way into tavern songs sung far and wide. Someone could plausibly use this against them in the future. The risk of being too awesome.
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2021-03-04, 09:18 AM (ISO 8601)
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Hence why I don't condone being that kind of DM.
I'm normally very RAW adherent, but there's a slew of smaller things, be it in strict RAW or from dev RAI, where I go "I respect your authority on the rules, but I'm choosing to ignore this on grounds of it being a stupid rule, and I want to let my player have their fun"
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2021-03-04, 12:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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Last edited by HPisBS; 2021-03-04 at 12:46 PM. Reason: minus "even so," plus "dumb rule"
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2021-03-04, 12:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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2021-03-05, 02:45 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Tyrannosaurus??? HA!
Basically, you don't have hands... but you're gonna be gargantuan anyways, so either you have someone else administer it, or stick it in your mouth and just tip your head back after Polymorphed
I'd say that if you count this as a held action it's a RAW way to self administer a potion after polymorphed.Always remember: The DM's first job, is to make sure the players are having fun
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2021-03-05, 03:34 AM (ISO 8601)
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Unfortunately not.
I'd rule it as working at my table because it's the more fun way to do it, but as pointed out in the prior post, the target's gear is melded into the new form by RAW, so even if you do have a way to self-administer a potion after the polymorph, you wouldn't be able to access it if you were holding it at the time of transformation.
You could potentially leave it on the ground and attempt to retrieve it after being polymorphed, but that would require your normal turn since picking up would only be possible as an object interaction during your turn, and administering a potion takes an action. As a held action, you could pick it up, or attempt to administer it, but not both, and you cannot administer it if you don't have it on your person, but if you had it on your person prior to the Polymorph it is them merged into the form... Yeah, RAW is just silly in how much it stops this from working.
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2021-03-05, 03:41 AM (ISO 8601)
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That feels like a funky reading of gear though. My understanding was that gear just meant weapons, armor, backpack, etc. basically anything you were wearing. I wouldn’t count a potion being held in your mouth as part of your gear, cause it isn’t something you are wearing or holding like a sword is, which would still allow this to work RAW and not just RAI.
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2021-03-05, 04:21 AM (ISO 8601)
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So if you're holding an item, you are forced to drop it when polymorphed?
Or if it's potions in particular not counted as gear then the potions in your backpack are not merged into the form with the backpack and are thus dropped to the ground when polymorphed?
Or if it's being held in your mouth, it's not actually held? So a weapon targeted by heat metal you can swap to gripping it in your mouth, thus it's no longer being 'held or worn'?
Sounds more like trying to allow this to work with that different justification is just opening up more and more loopholes.
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Since healing potions are classed under adventuring gear, therefor potions in general are adventuring gear, and if it is your possession as being held or worn in any form (or held in a container that you are holding or wearing) it is all classed the same way?
Gear and equipment is a very broad category, and if it's an object that can be carried or worn, then just treat it under the same ruleset rather than making special exceptions.Last edited by Zhorn; 2021-03-05 at 04:46 AM.