A Monster for Every Season: Summer 2
You can get A Monster for Every Season: Summer 2 now at Gumroad
Page 30 of 34 FirstFirst ... 5202122232425262728293031323334 LastLast
Results 871 to 900 of 1019
  1. - Top - End - #871
    Ettin in the Playground
     
    Eurus's Avatar

    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Location
    Illinois
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: A Practical Guide to Evil III: A Series of Unfortunate Peace Treaties

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Magtok View Post
    Someone remind me again how anything as psychotic as the Dominion of Levant is a Good nation.
    They're Good because they hate villains, I guess.

    I would be curious as to how many of them would survive the ealamal, actually...
    Avatar by araveugnitsuga.

  2. - Top - End - #872
    Titan in the Playground
     
    Forum Explorer's Avatar

    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Location
    Canada
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: A Practical Guide to Evil III: A Series of Unfortunate Peace Treaties

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Magtok View Post
    Someone remind me again how anything as psychotic as the Dominion of Levant is a Good nation.
    Procer is also a 'good' nation, and they've pretty much tried to conquer every other nation on the continent at one point or another. So I think being good is more about rejecting Below and their tools than being Good in the sense of modern morality.
    Spoiler: I'm a writer!
    Show
    Spoiler: Check out my fanfiction[URL="https://www.fanfiction.net/u/7493788/Forum-Explorer"
    Show
    here[/URL]
    ]Fate Stay Nano: Fate Stay Night x Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha

    I Fell in Love with a Storm: MLP

    Procrastination: MLP



    Spoiler: Original Fiction
    Show
    The Lost Dragon: A story about a priest who finds a baby dragon in his church and decides to protect them.



  3. - Top - End - #873
    Eldritch Horror in the Playground Moderator
    Join Date
    Feb 2005
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: A Practical Guide to Evil III: A Series of Unfortunate Peace Treaties

    I get the impression they're Chaotic more than anything, at least if you map on a two-axis grid instead of PGtE's single axis.

    Quote Originally Posted by Forum Explorer View Post
    Procer is also a 'good' nation, and they've pretty much tried to conquer every other nation on the continent at one point or another. So I think being good is more about rejecting Below and their tools than being Good in the sense of modern morality.
    I think it's more the inverse, in a way. Being Evil is about rejecting Above and how it decrees a place and role for everyone.
    Last edited by The Glyphstone; 2021-12-08 at 12:20 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Red Fel, on quest rewards View Post
    "Is a stack of ten pancakes too many pancakes to give to the party, even if most of them fell on the floor and one or two were stepped on? I wanted to give my party pancakes as a reward but I'm unsure if it's too much. The pancakes are also laced with blowfish poison so the party would have to get an antitoxin before they could eat the ones which weren't pulverized by shoes."

    I don't think anyone would want those pancakes even if you paid them to eat them.

  4. - Top - End - #874
    Troll in the Playground
     
    Dragonus45's Avatar

    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Location
    Knoxville Tennessee
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: A Practical Guide to Evil III: A Series of Unfortunate Peace Treaties

    Quote Originally Posted by The Glyphstone View Post
    I think it's more the inverse, in a way. Being Evil is about rejecting Above and how it decrees a place and role for everyone.
    If Good and Evil split evenly like that I would agree but Tariq's relationship with his choir and Hune's talk about Orge religion being so deterministic makes me think it isn't remotely that simple as good and evil being 100% on opposite sides of the bet. On the subject of absolutes, I dislike condemning an entire society which we have seen has it's fair share of decent and heroic individuals because a few people in charge are short sighed and desire power more then they have common sense.
    Thanks to Linklele for my new avatar!
    If i had superpowers. I would go to conventions dressed as myself, and see if i got complimented on my authenticity.

  5. - Top - End - #875
    Titan in the Playground
     
    Forum Explorer's Avatar

    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Location
    Canada
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: A Practical Guide to Evil III: A Series of Unfortunate Peace Treaties

    Quote Originally Posted by The Glyphstone View Post
    I think it's more the inverse, in a way. Being Evil is about rejecting Above and how it decrees a place and role for everyone.
    I'd disagree with that. The Gods Below might encourage their followers to do whatever they want, but their followers tend to be Tyrants and Evil Overlords. Villains are perfectly fine with tyranny and forcing people into place. They just don't put any justifications on it. Similarly they don't so much reject Above so much as they don't view Above as anything special. Like Akua was fully willing to use the dead angel for whatever her initial evil plan was. But she didn't really treat it with contempt or anything. It was basically the same as a Demon to her, just another tool to be used.
    Spoiler: I'm a writer!
    Show
    Spoiler: Check out my fanfiction[URL="https://www.fanfiction.net/u/7493788/Forum-Explorer"
    Show
    here[/URL]
    ]Fate Stay Nano: Fate Stay Night x Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha

    I Fell in Love with a Storm: MLP

    Procrastination: MLP



    Spoiler: Original Fiction
    Show
    The Lost Dragon: A story about a priest who finds a baby dragon in his church and decides to protect them.



  6. - Top - End - #876
    Eldritch Horror in the Playground Moderator
    Join Date
    Feb 2005
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: A Practical Guide to Evil III: A Series of Unfortunate Peace Treaties

    Quote Originally Posted by Forum Explorer View Post
    I'd disagree with that. The Gods Below might encourage their followers to do whatever they want, but their followers tend to be Tyrants and Evil Overlords. Villains are perfectly fine with tyranny and forcing people into place. They just don't put any justifications on it. Similarly they don't so much reject Above so much as they don't view Above as anything special. Like Akua was fully willing to use the dead angel for whatever her initial evil plan was. But she didn't really treat it with contempt or anything. It was basically the same as a Demon to her, just another tool to be used.
    Thats not really where I was going - not rejecting the tools of Above, but its philosophy. Above sets many rules - you can do this, you can't do that; this is acceptable, this is not. In contrast, Below seems to have one single rule- do whatever you want unless someone stronger can stop you. And yeah, that sort of philosophy is a natural draw to tyrants because it creates a worldview that enables them. So its a self selecting filter in a way; people comfortable with the status quo of Above aren't going to turn villain in the first place.
    Quote Originally Posted by Red Fel, on quest rewards View Post
    "Is a stack of ten pancakes too many pancakes to give to the party, even if most of them fell on the floor and one or two were stepped on? I wanted to give my party pancakes as a reward but I'm unsure if it's too much. The pancakes are also laced with blowfish poison so the party would have to get an antitoxin before they could eat the ones which weren't pulverized by shoes."

    I don't think anyone would want those pancakes even if you paid them to eat them.

  7. - Top - End - #877
    Barbarian in the Playground
     
    DwarfClericGuy

    Join Date
    Feb 2013
    Location
    USA
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: A Practical Guide to Evil III: A Series of Unfortunate Peace Treaties

    Don't really feel figuring out actual odds, but I have a feeling we're working towards the Barrow Sword saving the lordling's lives form the Brigand's backstab. Combined with him killing a scourge to get his title, and he ends up as part of a new family head to a more formalized oligarchy ruling the Levant.

  8. - Top - End - #878
    Titan in the Playground
     
    Forum Explorer's Avatar

    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Location
    Canada
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: A Practical Guide to Evil III: A Series of Unfortunate Peace Treaties

    Quote Originally Posted by The Glyphstone View Post
    Thats not really where I was going - not rejecting the tools of Above, but its philosophy. Above sets many rules - you can do this, you can't do that; this is acceptable, this is not. In contrast, Below seems to have one single rule- do whatever you want unless someone stronger can stop you. And yeah, that sort of philosophy is a natural draw to tyrants because it creates a worldview that enables them. So its a self selecting filter in a way; people comfortable with the status quo of Above aren't going to turn villain in the first place.
    I don't think I agree. We've got examples on both sides of Named who don't really consider the philosophy of their actions at all. As well as people who go against the grain of what you are saying. The Barrow Sword seems to be very law and orderly for example.
    Spoiler: I'm a writer!
    Show
    Spoiler: Check out my fanfiction[URL="https://www.fanfiction.net/u/7493788/Forum-Explorer"
    Show
    here[/URL]
    ]Fate Stay Nano: Fate Stay Night x Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha

    I Fell in Love with a Storm: MLP

    Procrastination: MLP



    Spoiler: Original Fiction
    Show
    The Lost Dragon: A story about a priest who finds a baby dragon in his church and decides to protect them.



  9. - Top - End - #879
    Orc in the Playground
     
    Kobold

    Join Date
    Aug 2019

    Default Re: A Practical Guide to Evil III: A Series of Unfortunate Peace Treaties

    Quote Originally Posted by Forum Explorer View Post
    I don't think I agree. We've got examples on both sides of Named who don't really consider the philosophy of their actions at all. As well as people who go against the grain of what you are saying. The Barrow Sword seems to be very law and orderly for example.
    Good Nations have leading moral principles, which they worship in conjunction with the gods above. In the case of Levante, Honor and Blood. The rulers follow those principles and derive their 'right to rule' from them. Levante: you are honorable and related by blood to some Chosen.
    At least thats my take.
    Procer is mostly good, cause it has a church.
    To be honest, Good nations can be pretty horrible. And Evil places (Akuas hometown) relatively nice.
    The Barrow Sword can be disciplined when he gains something, but he also has no limits on the deals he would take. Or any other morals in his way to make it to the top of Levante.

  10. - Top - End - #880
    Titan in the Playground
     
    lord_khaine's Avatar

    Join Date
    Nov 2006

    Default Re: A Practical Guide to Evil III: A Series of Unfortunate Peace Treaties

    Wasnt Akua's hometown mostly nice due to being located in the absolute middle of nowhere?
    And even then it would still be a place where blood magic sacrifices are a relatively common thing.
    At least if they do any farming.
    thnx to Starwoof for the fine avatar

  11. - Top - End - #881
    Titan in the Playground
     
    3SecondCultist's Avatar

    Join Date
    Dec 2010
    Location
    Canada
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: A Practical Guide to Evil III: A Series of Unfortunate Peace Treaties

    Woof.

    Spoiler: 55: Hail
    Show
    Losing roughly 10% of your entire soldiery in one day? And not even making a breach into Keter? Those are some really rough numbers there, Cat.

    The GA isn't getting anywhere knocking on Neshamah's door like this. They are going to need some story-fu to get into the most fortified city on the continent.

    Any guesses how Cat & co. are going to pull this one off?
    Spoiler: My Profile
    Show
    Quote Originally Posted by Zeno Desaqqara View Post
    You divine bastard.
    Currently Running:
    - Tales of Neutral Ground

    Winner of Total War: Rise of Kingdoms (Ironfang Republic)

    Loser of Total War: The Final Hanrui (Elda Hafnar)


    "The philosophers have only interpreted the world in various ways; the point is to change it."

  12. - Top - End - #882
    Troll in the Playground
     
    Dragonus45's Avatar

    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Location
    Knoxville Tennessee
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: A Practical Guide to Evil III: A Series of Unfortunate Peace Treaties

    Spoiler
    Show
    That is a steep ****ing cost, plus we learn again that flying towers and fortresses never work. Here is hoping some more providence start's coming their way soon.
    Thanks to Linklele for my new avatar!
    If i had superpowers. I would go to conventions dressed as myself, and see if i got complimented on my authenticity.

  13. - Top - End - #883
    Ettin in the Playground
     
    Eurus's Avatar

    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Location
    Illinois
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: A Practical Guide to Evil III: A Series of Unfortunate Peace Treaties

    Spoiler
    Show
    The Blessed Artificer's wall-breaching artifact is still available, iirc... if they can get close enough to use it, anyway.
    Last edited by Eurus; 2021-12-14 at 10:30 AM.
    Avatar by araveugnitsuga.

  14. - Top - End - #884
    Titan in the Playground
     
    lord_khaine's Avatar

    Join Date
    Nov 2006

    Default Re: A Practical Guide to Evil III: A Series of Unfortunate Peace Treaties

    Spoiler
    Show

    It did have some fairly hilarious moments.
    Such as "wait they did actually fired the Mirror Knight at it?"
    Kinda hilarious how that has become a meme.

    Also. Well yeah they do need some fairly serious cheese to break into Keter.
    Having a mile deep moat is honestly kinda BS. So in turn you do need something like flying siege towers.
    Well or a massive earthquake. But the collatoral is likely to high.

    thnx to Starwoof for the fine avatar

  15. - Top - End - #885
    Titan in the Playground
     
    Lizardfolk

    Join Date
    Oct 2010
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: A Practical Guide to Evil III: A Series of Unfortunate Peace Treaties

    Spoiler
    Show
    They also have the ability to smite the landscape back to its original shape AFAIK. If they aren't rule bound they can certainly make the giant smite ritual to refill the moat right?
    Quote Originally Posted by The Glyphstone View Post
    Vibranium: If it was on the periodic table, its chemical symbol would be "Bs".

  16. - Top - End - #886
    Troll in the Playground
     
    Dragonus45's Avatar

    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Location
    Knoxville Tennessee
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: A Practical Guide to Evil III: A Series of Unfortunate Peace Treaties

    Quote Originally Posted by Tvtyrant View Post
    Spoiler
    Show
    They also have the ability to smite the landscape back to its original shape AFAIK. If they aren't rule bound they can certainly make the giant smite ritual to refill the moat right?
    Quote Originally Posted by Eurus View Post
    Spoiler
    Show
    The Blessed Artificer's wall-breaching artifact is still available, iirc... if they can get close enough to use it, anyway.
    Spoiler
    Show
    No, the real trick is that these heroic power plays are still limited by the trappings of the story which means they lose effectiveness if not properly deployed. Preferably after the great villain has tipped his hand. We saw the absolute ****ing mockery made of Tariq's sacrifice when he went first after all.
    Thanks to Linklele for my new avatar!
    If i had superpowers. I would go to conventions dressed as myself, and see if i got complimented on my authenticity.

  17. - Top - End - #887
    Titan in the Playground
     
    lord_khaine's Avatar

    Join Date
    Nov 2006

    Default Re: A Practical Guide to Evil III: A Series of Unfortunate Peace Treaties

    Im quite certain the moat has been dug by regular shovels. So i dont think the smite ritual will do much.

    As for Tariq's sacrifice. Im not quite certain when it was made a mockery off?
    Last time it was quite effective. Wrecking a Crab and allowing for a safe retreat.
    thnx to Starwoof for the fine avatar

  18. - Top - End - #888
    Titan in the Playground
     
    Forum Explorer's Avatar

    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Location
    Canada
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: A Practical Guide to Evil III: A Series of Unfortunate Peace Treaties

    Quote Originally Posted by lord_khaine View Post
    Im quite certain the moat has been dug by regular shovels. So i dont think the smite ritual will do much.

    As for Tariq's sacrifice. Im not quite certain when it was made a mockery off?
    Last time it was quite effective. Wrecking a Crab and allowing for a safe retreat.
    It really wasn't. Yeah, it wrecked the crab. But it let DK go all out, opening dozens of hellgates, blighting the land around said hellgates, and pulling out some nastier tricks. Not to mention weakening the Ways.

    Tariq's sacrifice brought them from a desperate situation, but they might be able to win, to 'no, we are flat out losing, and we need to get Praes help, just so we can throw ourselves into a desperate battle where we need to kill DK before he wipes out the entire nation.'
    Spoiler: I'm a writer!
    Show
    Spoiler: Check out my fanfiction[URL="https://www.fanfiction.net/u/7493788/Forum-Explorer"
    Show
    here[/URL]
    ]Fate Stay Nano: Fate Stay Night x Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha

    I Fell in Love with a Storm: MLP

    Procrastination: MLP



    Spoiler: Original Fiction
    Show
    The Lost Dragon: A story about a priest who finds a baby dragon in his church and decides to protect them.



  19. - Top - End - #889
    Troll in the Playground
     
    Dragonus45's Avatar

    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Location
    Knoxville Tennessee
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: A Practical Guide to Evil III: A Series of Unfortunate Peace Treaties

    Quote Originally Posted by lord_khaine View Post
    Im quite certain the moat has been dug by regular shovels. So i dont think the smite ritual will do much.

    As for Tariq's sacrifice. Im not quite certain when it was made a mockery off?
    Last time it was quite effective. Wrecking a Crab and allowing for a safe retreat.
    And the next chapter the dead king opened numerous hellgates literally tuned to be so inefficient as to double as nukes that would blight an entire region such that it may never fully recover and ruined the offer of the Giants to ward their lands by forcing them to also sacrifice themselves to merely delay the move and put them on a timer at which the Dead King just wins.
    Thanks to Linklele for my new avatar!
    If i had superpowers. I would go to conventions dressed as myself, and see if i got complimented on my authenticity.

  20. - Top - End - #890
    Titan in the Playground
     
    lord_khaine's Avatar

    Join Date
    Nov 2006

    Default Re: A Practical Guide to Evil III: A Series of Unfortunate Peace Treaties

    It really wasn't. Yeah, it wrecked the crab. But it let DK go all out, opening dozens of hellgates, blighting the land around said hellgates, and pulling out some nastier tricks. Not to mention weakening the Ways.
    Cat directly states he saved the entire continent with his sacrifice.
    He didnt do it for fun.

    Spoiler: Chapter 78
    Show

    Much as I itched to blame Tariq for what I’d lost tonight, it would have rung hollow to try it when he’d died trying to save all of Calernia.

    And he had, Gods forgive me. If we’d simply evacuated, fled back to our defensive lines, then the simple amount of corpses swelling Neshamah’s ranks would have been enough to overwhelm us to the south after we retreated there to lick our wounds. And once the Dead King pierced into Procer, got his hands on cities and teeming masses of refugees, then it was all over. The Peregrine had averted that doom for us all, and I held that truth close as I watched the pieces of a dead star rain own on Creation.


    But yeah. Unfortunately it in turn did allow Nehezemar to escelate the conflict.
    Though that was when the alternative were a defeat.
    thnx to Starwoof for the fine avatar

  21. - Top - End - #891
    Troll in the Playground
     
    Dragonus45's Avatar

    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Location
    Knoxville Tennessee
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: A Practical Guide to Evil III: A Series of Unfortunate Peace Treaties

    Quote Originally Posted by lord_khaine View Post
    Cat directly states he saved the entire continent with his sacrifice.
    He didnt do it for fun.

    Spoiler: Chapter 78
    Show

    Much as I itched to blame Tariq for what I’d lost tonight, it would have rung hollow to try it when he’d died trying to save all of Calernia.

    And he had, Gods forgive me. If we’d simply evacuated, fled back to our defensive lines, then the simple amount of corpses swelling Neshamah’s ranks would have been enough to overwhelm us to the south after we retreated there to lick our wounds. And once the Dead King pierced into Procer, got his hands on cities and teeming masses of refugees, then it was all over. The Peregrine had averted that doom for us all, and I held that truth close as I watched the pieces of a dead star rain own on Creation.


    But yeah. Unfortunately it in turn did allow Nehezemar to escelate the conflict.
    Though that was when the alternative were a defeat.
    Understand, I am not blaming him. Just saying that the way things out really undercut the whole emotion of the thing. And sort of the whole book and fight leading up to it.
    Thanks to Linklele for my new avatar!
    If i had superpowers. I would go to conventions dressed as myself, and see if i got complimented on my authenticity.

  22. - Top - End - #892
    Barbarian in the Playground
     
    DwarfClericGuy

    Join Date
    Feb 2013
    Location
    USA
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: A Practical Guide to Evil III: A Series of Unfortunate Peace Treaties

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonus45 View Post
    Understand, I am not blaming him. Just saying that the way things out really undercut the whole emotion of the thing. And sort of the whole book and fight leading up to it.
    So I felt the same way when I read Cat's explanation. Then I had a realization/head canon that made me feel a little bit better about it: Tariq knew through Mercy this would happen and why dropping the star cost so much. He'd already been the heroic sacrifice, so the narrative demanded more than just his life. He knew the consequences would be 'ruinous', not just on his family/line but on his legacy. His peaceful realm of rest shattered and even his final sacrifice twisted to allow the Dead King freedom to touch the world. And he would always make that choice because it would lessen suffering.

  23. - Top - End - #893
    Titan in the Playground
     
    Forum Explorer's Avatar

    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Location
    Canada
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: A Practical Guide to Evil III: A Series of Unfortunate Peace Treaties

    Quote Originally Posted by lord_khaine View Post
    Cat directly states he saved the entire continent with his sacrifice.
    He didnt do it for fun.

    Spoiler: Chapter 78
    Show

    Much as I itched to blame Tariq for what I’d lost tonight, it would have rung hollow to try it when he’d died trying to save all of Calernia.

    And he had, Gods forgive me. If we’d simply evacuated, fled back to our defensive lines, then the simple amount of corpses swelling Neshamah’s ranks would have been enough to overwhelm us to the south after we retreated there to lick our wounds. And once the Dead King pierced into Procer, got his hands on cities and teeming masses of refugees, then it was all over. The Peregrine had averted that doom for us all, and I held that truth close as I watched the pieces of a dead star rain own on Creation.


    But yeah. Unfortunately it in turn did allow Nehezemar to escelate the conflict.
    Though that was when the alternative were a defeat.
    That quote was before he opened the Hellgates. The situation would have been similarly bad, but maybe they could've pulled off a sacrifice of some kind to at least destroy the corpses to deny the DK the increase in his numbers. Ultimately, Tariq's sacrifice let the DK go for a winning play that required yet another sacrifice to buy time.

    I can't, and don't, blame Tariq for that. But his sacrifice was very much undercut by what happened immediately afterwards.
    Spoiler: I'm a writer!
    Show
    Spoiler: Check out my fanfiction[URL="https://www.fanfiction.net/u/7493788/Forum-Explorer"
    Show
    here[/URL]
    ]Fate Stay Nano: Fate Stay Night x Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha

    I Fell in Love with a Storm: MLP

    Procrastination: MLP



    Spoiler: Original Fiction
    Show
    The Lost Dragon: A story about a priest who finds a baby dragon in his church and decides to protect them.



  24. - Top - End - #894
    Titan in the Playground
     
    lord_khaine's Avatar

    Join Date
    Nov 2006

    Default Re: A Practical Guide to Evil III: A Series of Unfortunate Peace Treaties

    That quote was before he opened the Hellgates. The situation would have been similarly bad, but maybe they could've pulled off a sacrifice of some kind to at least destroy the corpses to deny the DK the increase in his numbers. Ultimately, Tariq's sacrifice let the DK go for a winning play that required yet another sacrifice to buy time.

    I can't, and don't, blame Tariq for that. But his sacrifice was very much undercut by what happened immediately afterwards.
    Yes... thats the whole point im making. The most well informered person on the whole situation directly states they had lost without the sacrifice.
    The Dead King had won. Cat explains that. Tariq cheated him out of that victory. But the price was a power boost to the Dead King.

    Basically the situation was A) Dead King Wins or B) Dead King dont win but gets to open a handful of Hell Gates.
    So i cant see how there is any lessening in Tariq's sacrifice. He saved the entire continent. Gave it a second chance to get its stuff together.
    thnx to Starwoof for the fine avatar

  25. - Top - End - #895
    Titan in the Playground
     
    Grey_Wolf_c's Avatar

    Join Date
    Aug 2007

    Default Re: A Practical Guide to Evil III: A Series of Unfortunate Peace Treaties

    Quote Originally Posted by Thomas Cardew View Post
    He'd already been the heroic sacrifice, so the narrative demanded more than just his life.
    To be clear: I too understand this to be canon; I am not about to suggest Thomas's reading of it is incorrect. But isn't this explanation of why the narrative allowed DK got to escalate nonsense? Tariq didn't "merely" perform a second heroic sacrifice that therefore somehow didn't count as much as the first. He sacrificed his entire family - a whole bloodline ceased to exist. And yet this didn't "count" as a proper sacrifice? I've headcanon-ed that the issue is the absolutely criminal lack of consent, but the book has been mute about that, hasn't it?

    GW
    Last edited by Grey_Wolf_c; 2021-12-15 at 01:21 PM.
    Interested in MitD? Join us in MitD's thread.
    There is a world of imagination
    Deep in the corners of your mind
    Where reality is an intruder
    And myth and legend thrive
    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant View Post
    But really, the important lesson here is this: Rather than making assumptions that don't fit with the text and then complaining about the text being wrong, why not just choose different assumptions that DO fit with the text?
    Ceterum autem censeo Hilgya malefica est

  26. - Top - End - #896
    Titan in the Playground
     
    Forum Explorer's Avatar

    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Location
    Canada
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: A Practical Guide to Evil III: A Series of Unfortunate Peace Treaties

    Quote Originally Posted by lord_khaine View Post
    Yes... thats the whole point im making. The most well informered person on the whole situation directly states they had lost without the sacrifice.
    The Dead King had won. Cat explains that. Tariq cheated him out of that victory. But the price was a power boost to the Dead King.

    Basically the situation was A) Dead King Wins or B) Dead King dont win but gets to open a handful of Hell Gates.
    So i cant see how there is any lessening in Tariq's sacrifice. He saved the entire continent. Gave it a second chance to get its stuff together.
    They would be in a bad situation for sure. But Tariq's sacrifice allowed the Dead King to put them into an equally bad situation with the Greater Breaches. If those had opened, the Dead King would've immediately won. It took a further sacrifice that Cat didn't know was even possible to buy them time. Perhaps the Gigantes could've pull off a different sort of Deus Ex Machina to seal all the undead into the city, or prevent the corpses from being raised. It makes as much sense as them being able to temporarily seal Greater Breaches.

    EDIT: That's why Tariq's sacrifice was undercut. It's not like his sacrifice was rendered completely moot. It did stop the Dead King from winning in one way. But considering it then took yet another sacrifice to make sure the Dead King didn't win a different way, it makes Tariq's sacrifice feel less effective.
    Last edited by Forum Explorer; 2021-12-15 at 03:38 PM.
    Spoiler: I'm a writer!
    Show
    Spoiler: Check out my fanfiction[URL="https://www.fanfiction.net/u/7493788/Forum-Explorer"
    Show
    here[/URL]
    ]Fate Stay Nano: Fate Stay Night x Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha

    I Fell in Love with a Storm: MLP

    Procrastination: MLP



    Spoiler: Original Fiction
    Show
    The Lost Dragon: A story about a priest who finds a baby dragon in his church and decides to protect them.



  27. - Top - End - #897
    Barbarian in the Playground
     
    DwarfClericGuy

    Join Date
    Feb 2013
    Location
    USA
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: A Practical Guide to Evil III: A Series of Unfortunate Peace Treaties

    Quote Originally Posted by Grey_Wolf_c View Post
    To be clear: I too understand this to be canon; I am not about to suggest Thomas's reading of it is incorrect. But isn't this explanation of why the narrative allowed DK got to escalate nonsense? Tariq didn't "merely" perform a second heroic sacrifice that therefore somehow didn't count as much as the first. He sacrificed his entire family - a whole bloodline ceased to exist. And yet this didn't "count" as a proper sacrifice? I've headcanon-ed that the issue is the absolutely criminal lack of consent, but the book has been mute about that, hasn't it?

    GW
    Part of my point was that the narrative was raising the cost of the sacrifice. In a version where Tariq hadn't performed a heroic final sacrifice at the Graveyard, the cost would have been less. Maybe it wouldn't have burned out Isbilli line. Maybe he would have been able to Shine bright enough without requiring Mercy's aid. Pouring his life into one final searing light but without requiring the Angelic intervention to open the door for the DK. Or some other possibility. Instead, the rules of the universe required an exponentially greater sacrifice. Maybe there's some analogous to how Praesi rituals require more and more sacrifices to achieve lesser and lesser effects.

  28. - Top - End - #898
    Ettin in the Playground
     
    Eurus's Avatar

    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Location
    Illinois
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: A Practical Guide to Evil III: A Series of Unfortunate Peace Treaties

    Quote Originally Posted by Grey_Wolf_c View Post
    To be clear: I too understand this to be canon; I am not about to suggest Thomas's reading of it is incorrect. But isn't this explanation of why the narrative allowed DK got to escalate nonsense? Tariq didn't "merely" perform a second heroic sacrifice that therefore somehow didn't count as much as the first. He sacrificed his entire family - a whole bloodline ceased to exist. And yet this didn't "count" as a proper sacrifice? I've headcanon-ed that the issue is the absolutely criminal lack of consent, but the book has been mute about that, hasn't it?

    GW
    I think the problem is that the first heroic sacrifice, creating and guarding the twilight ways, was Cat trying to be clever and cheating it. Tariq sacrificed himself, then got resurrected anyway. She speculates that the powers-that-be would have probably looked the other way on that one, but it was always a bit of a stretch to have Tariq's sacrifice protecting Twilight from interference while he's clearly not dead. Tariq's second sacrifice just made the illusion too flimsy to maintain.
    Avatar by araveugnitsuga.

  29. - Top - End - #899
    Eldritch Horror in the Playground Moderator
    Join Date
    Feb 2005
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: A Practical Guide to Evil III: A Series of Unfortunate Peace Treaties

    Spoiler: Brink
    Show


    So that just happened. How much authority/power does the Herald actually have, that he could just up and do something like that? Do we even know what his office officially means in Dwarfland?

    And does anyone remember what chapter we first met the Herald and Seeker? I try to fix mental images of the characters in a scene but I can't remember what PGtE Dwarves look like in variation from Generic Fantasy Dwarf #1.
    Last edited by The Glyphstone; 2021-12-17 at 01:39 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Red Fel, on quest rewards View Post
    "Is a stack of ten pancakes too many pancakes to give to the party, even if most of them fell on the floor and one or two were stepped on? I wanted to give my party pancakes as a reward but I'm unsure if it's too much. The pancakes are also laced with blowfish poison so the party would have to get an antitoxin before they could eat the ones which weren't pulverized by shoes."

    I don't think anyone would want those pancakes even if you paid them to eat them.

  30. - Top - End - #900
    Ogre in the Playground
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Location
    California, USA
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: A Practical Guide to Evil III: A Series of Unfortunate Peace Treaties

    Quote Originally Posted by Book 4, Chapter 59
    My statement that I had no more attention to dole out had not been theatrics: the dwarves were now close enough I could make out the individual steps. They did not come from deeper inside the cavern. The company of a hundred that spread out in front of the trap had been posted near the outer wall, to the left of the tunnel’s exit. Regulars again, I noted, and since now the dance had come to end I finally spared a moment to study dwarvenkind from up close. I’d pictured them as short, stocky humans but evidently that’d been a failure of imagination. There were basic similarities: eyes, nose, brow, lips. But they were the same more in principle than practice. Their skin was so rough and craggy, enough it looked more like some beast’s rough hide. The old tale that dwarves were born when a dwarf ate stones for a year and then spat out a baby fully-formed came to mind. Their eyes were almost too large for those thick faces, with coloured sclera and no irises. Owl-like, I thought, though they had eyelashes. Their strands of hair were visibly larger and thicker than a human’s, their noses flat and broad. The tallest of the lot stood at five feet, though they were much broader of shoulder than any race I’d come across save orcs. The dwarves spread out facing us, shields and hammers at the ready.
    There is a variety of descriptions throughout the chapter, including the Herald of the Deeps and Balasi:

    Quote Originally Posted by Book 4, Chapter 59
    Not long after the rows of soldiers parted for a pair of dwarves, which seemed promising to me. The first was the tallest dwarf I’d seen so far, and the first without any armour. He wore cloth, dyed a green so dark it was nearly black, though I didn’t recognize the style or the cut. It was wrapped and knotted in layers over layers, heavy enough it might actually slow an arrow. His beard was dyed as well, in the same colour, and his eyes matched. The hair was black, though, long and braided. The staff in his hand was crooked thing of wood with trinkets of some strange metal hanging off the end, softly chiming as he walked. The other was one of those Archer had called deed-seekers, and his chest was so thickly covered in skulls the armour could not be seen beneath. Some of those were human, I noted, but most too large for that. I even glimpsed dragonbone among the multitude, though that struck me as the result of grave robbing rather than fighting. There were few dragons left on Calernia, and the death of one would have resounded across the continent. Blonde of beard and hair, his face was covered with either an exceedingly thick black tattoo or pristine face paint. The shape was a rat’s head and fangs, though the horns sprouting out made it clear it was not just any ratling. The two of them came to stand before the dais, though they did not touch it, and the deed-seeker cleared his throat.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •