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2021-06-24, 11:42 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: A Practical Guide to Evil III: A Series of Unfortunate Peace Treaties
The Hells are banned under the Accords though. And Heroes still have priests with Light on top of Named wielding Light.
Fair enough argument regarding scale of Sve Noc. I was more reflecting on Sve Noc having that stand off with the Choir of Mercy where they had the leverage to win against the Choir, and thinking that if Sve Noc as a readily available patron for Below exists at the heart of Cardinal (the Hall of the Damned founded by First Under Night) means that they are likely to gain more influence in time.
Regarding the corpse, it's unclear if it's 'one angel' of power or calling down the full choir (or if there is a distinction there). Considering other feats of divine might (Contrition's mind blast, Pilgrim's Shine, Judgement's Smite), I think the bomb is something more like the upper end of Judgement's attention.
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2021-06-25, 08:57 AM (ISO 8601)
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Yeah, I'm kinda curious about that too. If Judgment is capable of blasting the entire continent with its judging magic, the question rises as to why they haven't just done that before, since they seem to generally be in favor of judging people. I can think of a few plausible reasons, but I'm hoping we get a confirmed one at some point.
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2021-06-25, 12:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: A Practical Guide to Evil III: A Series of Unfortunate Peace Treaties
Was the next chapter going to be delayed for some reason?
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2021-06-25, 12:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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2021-06-25, 12:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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Ah, thanks. I couldn't see that in the ToC.
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2021-06-25, 03:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: A Practical Guide to Evil III: A Series of Unfortunate Peace Treaties
It seems likely they can only directly act when called upon by a mortal actor (the why of this I don't think has been stated, but it seems consistent with events. A term of the Wager, perhaps) but once they have been given that opening to act their power can be further altered (the concern over the Bard getting to influence the activation of the angel-corpse) or they may act in a broader fashion than the initial requestor wanted. There also seems to be a significant difference in scale between channeling the power or attention of a Choir and actually having an angel present in Creation; possible Judgement literally cannot attempt to scour the entire continent without something like the angel-corpse being used to create a much wider link for that power.
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2021-06-25, 06:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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2021-06-26, 07:14 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: A Practical Guide to Evil III: A Series of Unfortunate Peace Treaties
If Judgment is capable of blasting the entire continent with its judging magic
Its going to be a mortal ruler using a super weapon. That just happens to be build from the corpse of an angel.
And what people then fear, is the Wandering Bard nudging the dial of said weapon up past 11 to OverKill.
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As for black. Im making the prediction now, that what he is going to kill is the tower itself.
Hence all the goblingfire.Last edited by lord_khaine; 2021-06-26 at 08:46 AM.
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2021-06-27, 07:30 AM (ISO 8601)
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2021-06-27, 01:09 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: A Practical Guide to Evil III: A Series of Unfortunate Peace Treaties
I'm reasonably certain the other Big G gods would stop it from happening. They have rules they force everyone yo abide by.
Evil gods can grant miracles of any size as long as there is an equivalently large sacrifice. The Drow got Night for ceasing to have children and then later switch it to for eating each other. Tyrants get to use human sacrifice to power impossible rituals, like KotD did or Triumphant.
Good gods like the Choirs intervene to balance the game. At Thassalonica one of the gods intervened after Warlock used mass human sacrifice to power up the wards, for example, and Triumphant was opposed by angels.
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2021-06-27, 01:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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2021-06-27, 02:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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They seem to need priests to power up the weapon. The energy seems to come from mortals.
The Drow got Night for ceasing to have children and then later switch it to for eating each other.
At least according to the wiki.
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2021-06-27, 10:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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It's in Interlude: Inheritance
"The recent labour of activating the wards of Shatha’s Maze had left too many mages exhausted and on the edge of burning out, sadly, which meant that to make up the losses two thousand criminals had to be slain and their life force provided instead. Wekesa disliked using such primitive means, but it could not be denied that the power resulting was pure and plentiful. If they’d had another week it could have been avoided, but as things stood he’d have to make his peace with it."
I think we are in agreement. The movement was fromSpoilerNight being drawn from their unborn to being drawn from eating each other Primal Zerg style. I'm reasonably certain they were using Night in the old Empire, it just didn't have the same rules of acquisition.
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2021-06-28, 11:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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2021-06-29, 07:22 AM (ISO 8601)
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Most of all what confuses me is that the stars suddenly begins to fade.
As if somehow, just thinking about this make Cat lose connection to her new name.
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2021-06-29, 10:30 AM (ISO 8601)
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SpoilerIt's slightly ambiguous but the implication is that she's either avoiding or diving headfirst into Bard's trap. Bard wants to change the scope of her name, possibly into only dealing with Named hence why she feels distracted by the stars when dealing with 3 high Lords 2 chapters ago. Pickler offered a 3rd way out, a refusal to play the Matron's rigged game. When she decides to accommodate Pickler's and Robber's desires the distractions fade.
Probably because her mindset/role shifting from Warden/Jailer to something more constructiveLast edited by Thomas Cardew; 2021-06-29 at 10:37 AM.
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2021-06-29, 11:11 AM (ISO 8601)
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SpoilerI've been rereading the series, and Cat with the FIfteenth before she becomes full Winter is definitely on team wipe out the aristocracy. The compromises to make the Liesse Accords work have moved her further and further away from her original position, and then the fight against Bard and the King of the Dead. I feel like this chapter is good because it ties back into the same problem Malicia had, slowly she has become less and less involved in her own ideals while trying to implement solutions to the problems in front of her.
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2021-06-29, 12:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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This, but I don't think it is just the "aristocracy". This is Cat's declaration of her "thing", when Archer is getting to know her for the first time (Book 3, Chapter 13, at the very end):
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ETA: I'm going to add, that I only just came up with this after reading said chapter, so as a theory it is at best half-baked. But if it is anywhere near the truth, that link to other names is probably something Bard was trying to forge, and by Cat once again putting the regular people's need before the machinations of the powerful, she is moving away from being the Warden of the Named or whatever.
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2021-06-29, 02:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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SpoilerFair number of people on the chapter comments saying 'Pickler's offer is the trap.' I think this is just the same paranoia/desire to see patterns that says that absolutely everybody is the Bard/Bard's tool/clearly a romantic interest. I think Pickler's plea is the potential Third Choice for Cat. The Bard works through talking to people and influencing the stories that control and guide the actions of Named. What are the main traits of Goblin culture? They don't talk to outsiders, and as far as anybody knows, they don't have Named. Bard has no ins there. If there is any place where a spoiler for Bard can come from, an influence on Catherine's actions that Bard can't predict or try to plan for.. it'll be from Goblin culture. And if it feels like Pickler is asking Catherine to do something Heroic? If escaping from bad decisions by refusing the choice and finding a Third Option is a fundamentally Hero kind of Story? Well, yup. Pickler is appealing to the part of Catherine that could have been a Hero, but went along with the Villain because it seemed like it would achieve more. If Catherine goes for it it's going to create a hard pivot away from the 'Villain and leader of Villains' thing.
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2021-06-29, 02:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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SpoilerThat's a pretty good idea, though I disagree that Cat would stop being a Villain, or a leader of Villains. I imagine it will be a pretty big pivot away from being about the East though.
I'm inclined to agree that Pickler's offer has nothing to do with the Bard. She's not Named, and AFAIK, has never been in contact with any Named that isn't under Cat's command.Spoiler: I'm a writer!Spoiler: Check out my fanfiction[URL="https://www.fanfiction.net/u/7493788/Forum-Explorer"here[/URL]
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2021-06-29, 02:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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SpoilerI'd think that when you look at Interlude: Reprobates, the idea that the Villains can build something constructive, instead of being a scattering of outlaws and fugitives is worth something to them. So while it is a Heroic leaning, I don't think it's necessarily Name breaking.
I'm pretty sure that if we go through the side references of Amadeus' time as Squire it maps fairly closely to a Hero's Journey story in a lot of ways (pretty sure he has 'dragon riding as part of his exploits for crying out loud!)
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2021-07-06, 05:58 AM (ISO 8601)
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I feel sorry for Takisha. Akua was right, she just isn't Tyrant material.
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2021-07-06, 11:09 AM (ISO 8601)
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SpoilerThis is a long slow series that takes its time, but this arc is becoming a slog. I get that this is a climax, but Malicia was already falling apart at the beginning of the arc and Cat had to deliberately not take the city earlier to keep the arc going. It's actually losing tension instead of gaining it.
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2021-07-06, 11:47 AM (ISO 8601)
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Well. It was made a point out of earlier. That taking the city isnt the same as taking the tower. And that the city were so freaking massive, it could be a death trap. As Tyrants had before set fire to sections of it.
Hence my Cat is trying to push Malicia off indirectly.
Whats interesting here, is the additional bit we got about The Bards plan.
It did seem fairly complex.
Else. It does still seem possible Akua might get pushed into the position of Empress. Accept it as her penance so to speak.
And take that guy following her as Chancellor.
Well. At least its hard to see anyone else taking that seat. Black does not seem to want it. And at this point Akua is genuinly the best choice for it.
Even if she hates it.
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2021-07-06, 01:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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If Akua does become Dread Empress, I'll bet her name is some variation on Dread Empress Miserable.
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2021-07-06, 01:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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I doubt Akua is going to become Dread Empress. It doesn't seem like the kind of name you can get without wanting it, and Akua very much does not want it. I do wonder, though, what would happen if she was crowned Dread Empress but didn't get the name - or got a heroic name instead. What would that do to the story of Praes?
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2021-07-06, 02:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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Considering she is a Sahelian and thus the blood of the second tyrant, I imagine a lot. If the tower was founded by a farseeing woman and then trapped by endless betrayals, it might be freed by a short sighted woman being freed by a refusal to betray. Imagine if Malicia's survival requires her to step down and everyone refuses to take the throne so it simply dies.
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2021-07-06, 03:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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Well. I am still standing by my first prediction as well.
That Black is going to burn the tower in demonfire.
That Akua end as Empress is the secondary prediction.thnx to Starwoof for the fine avatar
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2021-07-06, 03:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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Spoiler: The Towers Odd CoupleYea actually, that guy as Chancellor could make a scary amount of sense. Someone who has realized the best vengeance to his Empress is to ensure her misery as reigning monarch never ends and who's most timely betrayal is to keep her alive despite herself out of spite would make the ideal person to take on a name that thrives on betrayal and disloyalty.Thanks to Linklele for my new avatar!
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2021-07-07, 03:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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To expand a bit on my theory. I think Blacks goal is to destroy the name of Dread Empress/Emperor itself. By destroying the tower in goblingfire.
That in turn will make it easier for Akua and her sidekick to set a new path.thnx to Starwoof for the fine avatar