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2021-03-13, 09:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: If the Dark One is toast, isn't Hel toast too?
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2021-03-13, 09:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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2021-03-14, 04:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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2021-03-18, 02:24 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: If the Dark One is toast, isn't Hel toast too?
The Dark One could be in trouble because of the goblinoids' short lifespans and low character levels, if the "calories" the Gods get from consuming souls in the afterlife is related to the amount of life experience accumulated by the souls.
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2021-03-18, 11:17 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: If the Dark One is toast, isn't Hel toast too?
The end of what Son? The story? There is no end. There's just the point where the storytellers stop talking.
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2021-03-19, 11:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: If the Dark One is toast, isn't Hel toast too?
Fully-lived lives are probably worth quite a bit more, in line with the geometric growth of XP. Otherwise the most powerful God in this cosmology would just tell his followers to constantly give birth and then eat the babies like A Modest Proposal. Having a fertile female humanoid pump out a few dozen level one sacrificial souls must not be economically viable.
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2021-03-20, 09:50 AM (ISO 8601)
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2021-03-20, 02:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: If the Dark One is toast, isn't Hel toast too?
That does depend on exactly what the difference in value (from the gods' perspective) is between different levels. If each HD/level gained multiplies, rather than adds to the value of a soul, you can see where a society that routinely gets people to 5th-ish level by the time they die could still outpace one that has a much higher birth rate, but most people get killed while still level 1. The bigger the multiplier, the easier it is for quality to outpace quantity. And if the growth is exponential rather than multiplicative, going for quality rather than quantity becomes all the more viable.
I mean, yeah, we don't know that it works that way, but we also don't know that it doesn't work like that.Last edited by Grey Watcher; 2021-03-20 at 02:08 PM.
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2021-03-20, 04:40 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: If the Dark One is toast, isn't Hel toast too?
Sure we don't know how it works, but if it works the way that seems me to be being suggested, then the elves and the elvish gods totally have it made. Is the average elf much higher level than the average human? I am not aware that we know that for D&D let alone OotS 'verse.
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The end of what Son? The story? There is no end. There's just the point where the storytellers stop talking.
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2021-03-20, 07:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: If the Dark One is toast, isn't Hel toast too?
According to D&D 3.5, both average elves and average humans are 1HD creatures. The size of the die is determined by the PC or NPC class taken.
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2021-03-21, 08:33 AM (ISO 8601)
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2021-03-21, 08:38 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: If the Dark One is toast, isn't Hel toast too?
Nope, nor are hobgoblins. Only Bugbears, of the 3 main goblinoids, have more than 1 hit dice, so have "humanoid hit dice" instead of PC class/NPC class hit dice.
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2021-03-21, 12:20 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: If the Dark One is toast, isn't Hel toast too?
If that's right it sounds to me as if TDO should be fine. There are thousands, maybe millions of already dead goblinoids in his army of souls:
https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0704.htmlThe end of what Son? The story? There is no end. There's just the point where the storytellers stop talking.
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2021-03-21, 04:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: If the Dark One is toast, isn't Hel toast too?
The Dark One does have a problem that the gods would need to agree to create goblins again. Since he is the god of goblins, he may cease to exist when the world ends simply because his domain is gone. Hel is at least a death god with worshipers outside of dwarfs. Also the goblins are younger than the non-moster races so there may be fewer goblin souls then dwarf ones.
Also, it is not a given that every goblin would go to the dark one, since goblins probably worship other gods periodically, and Right-eye hated the Dark One for abandoning the goblin people over petty revenge so their may be some dissonant groups.My sig is something witty.
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2021-03-21, 04:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: If the Dark One is toast, isn't Hel toast too?
There's also the bet to take into account. Hel mentions the, "winnings from the bet," at the same time as she mentions the dwarves souls, which makes it likely that the winnings are soul power.
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2021-03-21, 08:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: If the Dark One is toast, isn't Hel toast too?
If he's still alive when they get to the next creation, he will have a say, not least because he's the only one with purple quidity, which will hopefully make for a much tighter binding of the Snarl next time. Indeed, if Redcloak or his next high cleric can be talked into remaking the gates, the extra quidity might make the gates much tougher in this world, and keep it going for a long time yet.
The end of what Son? The story? There is no end. There's just the point where the storytellers stop talking.
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2021-03-22, 09:08 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: If the Dark One is toast, isn't Hel toast too?
My impression is that Hel has sort of pushed all her eggs into this basket. Especially with all the souls she gave up flippantly during the Council of Clans, she's invested her energy reserves a little too deeply in this scheme. But even then, Thor & Loki's dialogue seems to predict TDO probably won't survive the interim period, but Hel might not. It's a lowered risk level, but still a significant risk.
Given what Thor explained about the 4 "food groups" of GodPowerTM, I'm guessing that a hypothetical god of baby eating would wind up in much the same place as Hel: plenty of Dedication, but very little Belief or Worship.
As for the number crunching and questioning of the relative value of souls: I'm getting flashbacks to people trying to run the math on Hel's scheme back during the Godsmoot.
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2021-03-22, 05:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: If the Dark One is toast, isn't Hel toast too?
That she gets both things at the same time does not mean they are the same thing. The way her words are phrased and emphasized in strip 1083 "But this world is almost done, and when it is, I'll collect millions of souls at once - and my winnings from the bet!" makes it likely she was supposed to be getting something else out of this besides just soul power.
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2021-03-22, 06:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: If the Dark One is toast, isn't Hel toast too?
All of this digression from the OP is interesting. But back on topic: if TDO is toast, then Hel is crumpets. Which makes dwarves marmalade.
Or Marmite. Probably Marmite, yeah.
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2021-03-22, 09:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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2021-03-22, 10:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: If the Dark One is toast, isn't Hel toast too?
Such characters might be better used as servants, or else why did the three amigos keep a trio of souls handy to be used in a soul splice?
I think that example shows that not all dead have to start at the 2HD Outsider stage after death, and that levels matter in the OotSverse afterlife.