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2021-03-21, 12:30 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: UPick
DAY 2 END
AvatarVecna voted ALEPH NULL
Captain Cap voted ALEPH NULL
Xihirli voted ELENNA
Elenna voted ALEPH NULL
Aleph Null TRIED TO VOTE FOR SOMEONE WHO WAS ALREADY DEAD
totadileplayz voted ALEPH NULL
Book Wombat voted ALEPH NULL
Aleph Null received 5 votes.
Elenna received 1 vote.
One player tried to vote for someone who was already dead.
Aleph Null died today. He was executed. Aleph Null's role was Vael'sekhariish.
Originally Posted by Unavenger
This night will end at 17:30 GMT, 23/03/2021.Last edited by Unavenger; 2021-03-23 at 04:22 AM.
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2021-03-21, 04:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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Huh, okay.
Also, minor nitpick: The OP says "The execution vote will kill the person with the most votes, counting the last vote that is not crossed out." so shouldn't I be voting for Aleph Null?
Doesn't change the result, I just wanted to double-check if I was misunderstanding that.I'm Chaotic Good! Ish!
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2021-03-21, 08:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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Why did not one listen to me when I said we should descend into madness and kill Elenna?
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2021-03-21, 08:43 PM (ISO 8601)
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Because generally speaking I've learnt not to listen to you and this Is my first game on mafia.
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For this forum
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No it's not serious it's more of a rub at the fact they seem to be oddly focused in on them being traitor or evil and taking pleasure in it.
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2021-03-23, 04:22 AM (ISO 8601)
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NIGHT 2 END
Hear ye, hear ye! Local reporter falls down drain, claims to have been "Role blocked"!
Totadileplayz died today. They were buried under a pile of bones. Totadileplayz's role was Ben Tennyson.
Originally Posted by Unavenger
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2021-03-23, 12:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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This is unfortunate, but hopefully now people are convinced I'm not the one holding up the game. Different kill color, there's still mafia about.
I'm working on some ISOs right now. My offer to use my kill power as a 2nd lynch stands. I got role name and power name from book wombat last night, but no alignment, and it matches what they've claimed publicly, so that's something at least.
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Actually you know what screw ISOs, I'm an idiot. The kill fluff seals the deal for me.
@CaptainCap
D1, at around 2am my time, you me and totadile were up. You might have seen totadile make this massive post of ciphers, where each one had the target's role name as the keyword. The reason that post disappeared is because I solved all the ciphers in a half hour (that's what my "rubs temples" post is about). Anyway, if you saw that up, and then disappear, you know I'm not bluffing when I say I have significant reason to believe that I know all the role names this game started with. Here's my thing:
The remaining role names are Eidolon, Anonymous Reporter, Baron Munchausen, Nico De Angelo, and Dead Poet Society Member.
I am Eidolon, a Worm character who's abilities are to have three superpowers that are needed for the given situation, and who's more of a hero for the glory than the duty - hence why I'm a powerful neutral with three powers who just wants to survive (and why my kill requires me to take credit for it). Book Wombat is Anonymous Reporter - they've claimed as such, and my scry has detected as such. And if anybody is Dead Poet Society Member besides Xihirli, I'll eat my cape. Here's where it gets tricky: the vote manipulation ability could be feasible for either of the remaining characters (a bombastic baron and a pitiable teenage necromancer), but only the latter makes sense for the nightkill. And I don't know which of you and Elenna is which...but I don't think it actually matters.
Here's my proposal: I kill one of you two, and if you flip town and the game continues, we lynch the other one. I'm inclined to disintegrate you, for two reasons: firstly, Elenna seems less than willing to trust me given my alignment, but I'm pretty sure you were up and saw the cipher-post so you know I'm not necessarily full of **** here. Secondly...you're just plain harder to lynch. It's cold practicality, but I don't wanna take the risk that we don't lynch you today in case a townie or two get cold feet/fail to post. And if you get disintegrated and it turns out you're town, you still win when we lynch Elenna. It's a win-win.
So, Captain Cap: are you willing to do your part for town's victory?
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The downside to this plan: if I'm dead wrong about Xihirli, then today we kill you+Elenna and you're both townies, Book Wombat dies in the night, and wolves+survivor win. Naturally, that's not a problem for me, but I feel I should make the possibility known to you.
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2021-03-23, 01:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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First of all, I think it's pretty clear what happened tonight: the (hopefully) remaining wolf attempted to void our reporter Book Wombat before murdering totadileplayz, who was too dangerous to be kept alive with a partial copy of AvatarVecna's powers.
This means that the killer has at least 2 powers: roleblock and faction kill. Now let's look at the powers reveals so far.
Player Powers Number CaomhinTheCape 1 JeenLeen 1 Apogee1 2 Aleph Null 2 totadileplayz 1 Captain Cap 1? Xihirli 1? Book Wombat 1? AvatarVecna 3?
As we can see, aside from the obviously special case of AvatarVecna, we have no evidence of more than 2 powers per player.
If we consider Xihirli and Book Wombat cleared, then the remaining suspects are me and Elenna. However, given there is evidence of my vote manipulation power since Day 1, it seems that the only possible wolf with no more than 2 powers is Elenna.
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But if you want to shoot me that's fine I guess. Honestly I'm pretty sure Xihirli is not a wolf, so there shouldn't be any problem.
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At least let's hear first what everyone else has to say.
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2021-03-23, 01:31 PM (ISO 8601)
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Devil's advocate: we don't know Xihirli's powers (and if she's to be believed, Xihirli doesn't even known Xihirli's powers), so the roleblocking could be something she did. Additionally, just going by pure numbers isn't the best way to do things. Totadile has one power that had a second passive power hidden inside (knowing all role names). Plus, wolf team thus far is looking at three powers total compared to town's...7? Plus whatever extra powers you, BW, and Xihirli might have? I could believe the third wolf has three powers, so going just off power numbers doesn't clear you or Elenna.
I'd still like your comments on my plan.
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This right here is exactly why I didn't wanna just shoot you flat-out with my first post: I wanted to give you a chance to corroborate my story, and give everybody a chance to comment on things. Maybe they've got relevant info, who knows.
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2021-03-23, 02:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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My "Report" ability is my only one.
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2021-03-23, 02:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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The only real downside I can think of is the one you have already pointed out, and as I said I consider the risk negligible. Maybe I don't really agree with me being the ideal target just because of my power: I don't see anyone forgetting to vote at this point and my power can't protect me from 3 votes.
In a nutshell, I agree we should use the disintegration but I think the target should be chosen democratically.
A note for town: if both me and Elenna die today (and one of us is the wolf) and somehow the game is still running, be ready to vote AvatarVecna the moment the day starts, because in that case she's likely a Serial Killer (or something along the lines) and if she's the first to vote town lose.Last edited by Captain Cap; 2021-03-23 at 02:47 PM.
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2021-03-23, 02:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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If thw game's still going after today, it's because of miss secret poetry powers, not because of me. But I'm with y'all: Xihirli doesn't feel scummy this game.
Just waiting on Elenna's input at this point, although I can guess.
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2021-03-23, 05:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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Yeah, I'm okay with this "disintegrate Captain Cap" plan.
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2021-03-23, 05:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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2021-03-23, 10:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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You won't see today's poem if I don't die!
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2021-03-24, 06:24 AM (ISO 8601)
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Captain Cap died today. He was disintegrated. Captain Cap's role was Baron Munchausen.
Originally Posted by UnavengerLast edited by Unavenger; 2021-03-25 at 11:32 AM.
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2021-03-24, 11:02 AM (ISO 8601)
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Wait what? Okay, that was obviously not what I was expecting. I guess someone did an excellent job of lying.
Here's the thing. You obviously all think I'm a wolf now. I'd think the same in your place. But I promise that if you lynch me now, town will lose.
So here's my suggestion. We have four players now. If we No Lynch today, that gives us another night to use actions and confirm who the wolf is here. Even if the wolf NKs someone, we'll still be at 3 players tomorrow, so town will still control the lynch (I mean, assuming AV continues to help town, which is a whole other thing). You can lynch me tomorrow if you still want to. It gives an extra night of information, with no additional risk to town. Thoughts?
(Also, Xihirli, if we did this you'd have time to use your last poem )
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It would help if I actually voted No Lynch, wouldn't it.I'm Chaotic Good! Ish!
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2021-03-24, 11:15 AM (ISO 8601)
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Wolf kill pierced the protection totadile should've had from copying my abilities. I can't say I'm in a particular mood to spare you for the lulz, especially since I know you're caught, and you know you're caught.
But hey, maybe I'm wrong and you're not the last wolf. There's no way anybody but Nico De Angelo is responsible for the kill, and all other roles are obvious and confirmed from my perspective, but maybe I'm wrong. There's still 24 hours left. Make an argument for who you actually think is holding things up.
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2021-03-24, 11:59 AM (ISO 8601)
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Wait. Hold on. Elenna makes some good points.
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2021-03-24, 04:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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It's possible totadile didn't get the NK protection - his role says he gets "most powers", not "all powers", and a NK-immune townie seems excessively OP. Plus he implied that he wasn't NK-immune:
And in any case, why would the wolf target you tonight when they could target a townie? But I'll admit that the "town will win even if someone dies tonight" argument is less important to you than it is to townies.
Regarding what's happening: Yes, I'm Nico di Angelo. (Unavenger spelled Nico's last name wrong ). That's why my response to your disintegration plan was later and so short - I wasn't sure whether to say something, knowing that part of your argument was wrong, but I didn't want to muddy the discussion when I knew I was town and I was pretty sure Cap was a wolf. So I spent some time thinking about that but decided not to say anything, probably that was the wrong decision.
As for what I think happened, I have two theories. Not sure which one is more likely, which is part of why I want to get another night's worth of info.
Theory 1
We cleared Xihirli because Apogee targeted her N1, and it seems like there's no reason for a wolf to watch another wolf. But if you look at Apogee's power, you see that they would also get the power name of anyone targeting their target.
You can target one player each night. You learn the name of the power they used and who they used it on, as well as the name of each power used on them.
Plus, "buried under a pile of bones" can fit a Dead Poets Society Member just as well as Nico.
Theory 2
If I'm recalling correctly, we only have BW's word on what their power actually does, right? Because AV only got the role and power name. I could definitely believe that a reporter would have the ability to change the fluff text for NKs, similar to how Jeen could choose what the fluff said. Admittedly this leaves the question of how there was a kill when BW was supposedly role-blocked, but if BW's power is related to what shows up in the narrator announcements, maybe they can fake that somehow.I'm Chaotic Good! Ish!
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2021-03-24, 04:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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I'm not sure which is more of a stretch:
1) that Book Wombat has one power detailing both their personal kill ability (which has variable fluff), and their "messing with the narration" ability (where one wolf had a single power all about their own kill, while another wolf had a kill power and a second power as two separate powers entirely), and that Book Wombat happened to get fluff that laser-focuses all attention on a necromancer character BW had no reason to believe existed because they weren't awake to decipher the message in the first place (unless you're proposing they also have a role name scry)...
2) That "buried in bones" makes exactly as much sense as the fluff for a kill power for a poet as it does for a necromancer.
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I already suspect the answer, but do you have any ISOs or analysis to back up these claims?
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2021-03-24, 08:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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Maybe I’m not a poet.
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2021-03-24, 08:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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1) Okay, yeah, I misremembered some things from D2 and I'm throwing out this theory. I thought for some reason that you only got Jeen's role name and not their power, so my thought process there was that BW had two powers - a variable fluff kill power and some other "messing with the narration" power - and you only saw the non-factional-kill powers. I also thought I had been more explicit about "my power gets stronger as more people die" but I actually said "my power gets stronger as the game goes on". Which is why I was under the impression that BW had enough information to frame me.
2) It's a dead poet's society, specifically. And how would a poet even kill someone, stab them to death with a pen? While admittedly the image of Xihirli stabbing people with pens is amusing, if I were making up fluff for her kill I would have been looking at the "dead" part, and it's not too far from there to "buried in bones", specifically the bones of the dead poets. Maybe "fits just as well" was a bit of an exaggeration, but I maintain that it's a reasonable fluff for Xi's role to have.
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And no, I'll admit that I didn't have any ISO's done when I posted the above, it was mostly just speculating on how the last wolf had managed to hide. (Although I'll note that nobody's posted any analysis about me being a wolf, either - it's just process of elimination based on the assumption that Xi and BW are both innocent.) I did a look through the thread just now, but there isn't much, since there hasn't been much discussion either from or about Xi and BW.
The couple quotes I did find interesting:
Xi voting for Apogee, but before it looked like there was any chance of Apogee actually being lynched, and in a way that's fairly easy to retract later after Apogee explains their target.
Apogee trying to clear Xi (again, before it looked like there was much chance of Apogee being lynched).
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2021-03-24, 08:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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I’m still not quite clear on where people got the idea that my title was “dead poet’s society member.” That’s such a specific thing to guess from a poem like Seize the Carp.
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2021-03-25, 04:54 AM (ISO 8601)
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One power I would think a necromancer would have in WW/Mafia is to be able to use a power of someone who died. Would also fit what Elenna said about getting stronger as more people get killed.
Baron Munchhausen, who is now dead, had the power to reduce the amount of votes on them by one.
If Elenna is wolf, can copy powers of the dead and survives until tomorrow that would mean the votes will probably be Elenna 1 and Town 1, instead of it being Elenna 2 and Town 1 (assuming AV is going along with town for now).
Probably better to lynch them today.
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I wish, that sounds super OP. And if your theory were true, wouldn't wolf!me have used Jeen or Apogee's kill powers to hide the flavor?
My power is to see all the past actions of dead people and their results. Could have been pretty useful for information gathering but unfortunately in this game it didn't mean much.I'm Chaotic Good! Ish!
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2021-03-25, 10:15 AM (ISO 8601)
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You know what, screw it, this isn't working.
Yeah, I'm the last wolf, that was pretty obvious. My power is almost what BW was thinking, except that I can only use dead townies' powers once, which means I can't use passive powers like Cap's -1 to votes at all. However, instead of getting totadile's Omnitrix power, I got the active powers he had at death, i.e. AV's active powers. Which means I now have a oneshot dayvig.
AV, if you want proof of this, your scry power is called "Detection". I can post the exact priority and power description if you want. I'd do the same for your dayvig but totadile already posted that.
Of course, one dayvig isn't gonna do much against three people voting for me. But if even one person changed their vote, I could dayvig a townie and win.
TL;DR: Hey, AvatarVecna, want to help me vote for Xi or BW and I can disintegrate the other one? For the lolz? We can kill everyone, it'll be fun
I know you were worried about me killing you, but seriously, why would I do that when I'm trying to kill townies as fast as possible. If we do this right the game won't even get to night-time anyways.I'm Chaotic Good! Ish!
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2021-03-25, 10:49 AM (ISO 8601)
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That does sound kinda hilarious. Just hand victory to town on a silver platter, but yank it away at the last second? Lol.
Because I'm already in a "game end at day end" situation, and I don't have any proof that changing my vote would still result in such a situation (since that depends on you also getting that kill to go through, and you might be lying), I'm gonna have to insist on the disintegration happening first.
EDIT: Like, you've offered the right power name, and it sounds like you could give the power description too...but like, the first thing you described, where you know who dead people targeted and with what power, that could easily have given you that information too.
I got the idea from totadile using all role names so far for keywords for his big cipher post that is now gone, and one of the only ones that has yet to be death-revealed was Dead Poet Society Member.Last edited by AvatarVecna; 2021-03-25 at 10:51 AM.
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