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    Quote Originally Posted by Shining Wrath View Post
    As regards #1, it would throw a serious cramp into the plans of Othar Trygvassen, Gentleman Adventurer, if everyone were a Spark.
    Do we know if killing every Spark is still Othar's plan? It was a pretty legitimate twist when that was first revealed (the silly, hammy, over-the-top hero's "quest" turning out to be a grand act of murder-suicide), but I feel like the last time it was even mentioned was in Othar's first non-airship appearance, when he basically said "Oh nevermind, I won't murder you because you're a Heterodyne and therefore a hero" (which, the more we find out about the family before the Heterodyne Boys, the less logical that declaration seems... not that Othar is burdened with an excess of logic).

    Like... has it even come up since then, either in-comic or in the supplemental materials? Or have they been quietly retiring that aspect of his character to better keep him in the comic relief role at which he excels?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaFlipp View Post
    Do we know if killing every Spark is still Othar's plan?
    In his twitter, he occasionally expresses the desire. He probably just has higher priorities what with the Other threatening to enslave or destroy all life.

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    In his twitter, he occasionally expresses the desire. He probably just has higher priorities what with the Other threatening to enslave or destroy all life.
    Yeah if there was ever a time to prioritize a specific Spark, this is that time, and Lucrezia is that Spark.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaFlipp View Post
    Do we know if killing every Spark is still Othar's plan? It was a pretty legitimate twist when that was first revealed (the silly, hammy, over-the-top hero's "quest" turning out to be a grand act of murder-suicide), but I feel like the last time it was even mentioned was in Othar's first non-airship appearance, when he basically said "Oh nevermind, I won't murder you because you're a Heterodyne and therefore a hero" (which, the more we find out about the family before the Heterodyne Boys, the less logical that declaration seems... not that Othar is burdened with an excess of logic).
    Othar suffers more than much of the cast from being a case of Early Installment Weirdness. He makes sense in the storyline in which he was a key player, and less so the more we find out about the world. Too bad, because I really like the character. To be fair, every time they use him, they make him more of a Worf (supposed tough guy that gets defeated every time he tries to battle, supposedly nearly-invincible guy who Agatha has to save nearly every time, etc.) character. Perhaps not using him is the best way to preserve him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaFlipp View Post
    Do we know if killing every Spark is still Othar's plan? It was a pretty legitimate twist when that was first revealed (the silly, hammy, over-the-top hero's "quest" turning out to be a grand act of murder-suicide), but I feel like the last time it was even mentioned was in Othar's first non-airship appearance, when he basically said "Oh nevermind, I won't murder you because you're a Heterodyne and therefore a hero" (which, the more we find out about the family before the Heterodyne Boys, the less logical that declaration seems... not that Othar is burdened with an excess of logic).
    Well, here's why Othar might be sympathetic to a Heterodyne - shortly before he re-appears, in fact. Thus, it makes sense for Othar to say "That's before I knew you were a Heterodyne" - because he's actually saying "that's before I knew you were Bill or Barry's kid" rather than "tha's before I knew you came from a line of truely evil sparks".

    Also, in the novel the discussion in that page is expanded, and includes something like:

    Quote Originally Posted by Actually, I went and got the book...
    "... I ran into a young man who I believe to be your cousin - a Master Theopholous DuMedd?"
    "You didn't do anything horrible to him, did you?"
    Othar paused, and a frown flitted across his features. "Ah, I see. No, I was unaware that he was a spark." he sighed. "What a pity ..."
    Othar is still out to wiping out all sparks, but he seems to be prioritising them, and his interest does seem to be diminishing. I suspect he met the Heterodyne boys at some point, and they had quite an effect on him.

    Quote Originally Posted by Willie the Duck View Post
    To be fair, every time they use him, they make him more of a Worf (supposed tough guy that gets defeated every time he tries to battle, supposedly nearly-invincible guy who Agatha has to save nearly every time, etc.) character. Perhaps not using him is the best way to preserve him.
    That's more his character at the beginning - later on it seems more like he gives as much as he gets. Some of the side stories are a little that way, admittedly, but not the main story.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Manga Shoggoth View Post
    That's more his character at the beginning - later on it seems more like he gives as much as he gets. Some of the side stories are a little that way, admittedly, but not the main story.
    I am certainly including the side stories in my analysis. Those are where we see him the most, recently.

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    She went full Galadriel.
    Who wins in that particular queenly throw-down: Albia, or Galadriel?
    Tolkien normally downplays the power of his characters precisely so Sam and the others can shine, but I think Galadriel is a better opponent than you might think at first blush.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shining Wrath View Post
    Who wins in that particular queenly throw-down: Albia, or Galadriel?
    Tolkien normally downplays the power of his characters precisely so Sam and the others can shine, but I think Galadriel is a better opponent than you might think at first blush.
    I think if its person to person, galadriel wins. She is an absurdly powerful psychic from what little I remember of her, plus I am pretty sure she is even older than albia. Though at that point I doubt experience gaps really matter. i mean, after you hit a few centuries under your belt, im not sure how much another millenium matters. Plus, galadriel has the ability to see visions of the past present and future which would surely help with planning. If albia gets to break out the sparky tech thats going to swing back REALLY fast. Plus we cant be sure precisely what albia is capable of herself aside from mind controlling her willing subjects, shapeshifting, and being able to project her power through other people.
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    And now we see ruins that have suddenly appeared, in a place where the ruins ought to be crumbled to dust. Could someone possibly be messing with time? #prendeslantern #theother #whocouldhaveseenthiscoming
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shining Wrath View Post
    And now we see ruins that have suddenly appeared, in a place where the ruins ought to be crumbled to dust. Could someone possibly be messing with time?
    That, or someone could have installed some faux-dilapidated ruins there last week (they just really like the aesthetic).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Willie the Duck View Post
    That, or someone could have installed some faux-dilapidated ruins there last week (they just really like the aesthetic).
    Lifestyles of the rich and decadent.
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    That, or someone could have installed some faux-dilapidated ruins there last week (they just really like the aesthetic).
    Lifestyles of the rich and decadent.
    Some follies were actually built to give people work rather than just doling out money as a handout.

    That's an awful lot of cliff there, and I'm not sure what the thing on the bottom left is - although - given the abundance of cliff - it might be the remains of a bridge to another island or a staircase up the cliff. Trouble is, by the scale, it's enormous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shining Wrath View Post
    Lifestyles of the rich and decadent.
    In other words: Sparks.
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    The British conquered the world in search of spices and then decided to use none of them.

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    In other words: Sparks.
    The circus would take offense at that.
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    Some follies were actually built to give people work rather than just doling out money as a handout.

    That's an awful lot of cliff there, and I'm not sure what the thing on the bottom left is - although - given the abundance of cliff - it might be the remains of a bridge to another island or a staircase up the cliff. Trouble is, by the scale, it's enormous.
    The thing at the bottom left looks like a shipwreck to me. You can sort of see a curve of hull planes and there's a broken stump in the center that might be a mast. Also it's on a beach that looks like the only point where you might try to find a landing point.

    I wouldn't trust the scale, but ships can be quite large.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fyraltari View Post
    The circus would take offense at that.
    Fair.

    Though they would definitly install "authentic" ruins for their show if it would improve it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mechalich View Post
    The thing at the bottom left looks like a shipwreck to me. You can sort of see a curve of hull planes and there's a broken stump in the center that might be a mast. Also it's on a beach that looks like the only point where you might try to find a landing point.

    I wouldn't trust the scale, but ships can be quite large.
    I think it says something about GG that I didn't even think of "shipwreck" and went straight to "Ruined Megaproject".

    Looking back, I don't think we see many ships at all. There's some in the background here and here, but I can't recall anywhere else.
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    Bang FTW!

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    My reaction was pretty much
    "Why is Krosp panicking?
    Oh.
    Yes, keeping away is probably a good idea."

    Yes, this looks like a trap.
    Good thing Bang pays at least some attention.
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    Two competing theories, which are not mutually exclusive.
    1. Agatha: those are authentic ruins, and someone falsified the records
    2. Krosp: those are not ancient ruins, and it's a trap


    The records could have been falsified to keep people away, because weird time fluctuations occur here and it's not safe, even for Sparks.

    If you had a time machine gadget, you could go back in time, find some ruins, and bring them to our time. So these ruins were constructed 4000 years ago, but have only undergone 1000 years of aging, because the time machine skipped them forward 3000 years. Why? IT'S A TRAP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shining Wrath View Post
    Two competing theories, which are not mutually exclusive.
    1. Agatha: those are authentic ruins, and someone falsified the records
    2. Krosp: those are not ancient ruins, and it's a trap


    The records could have been falsified to keep people away, because weird time fluctuations occur here and it's not safe, even for Sparks.

    If you had a time machine gadget, you could go back in time, find some ruins, and bring them to our time. So these ruins were constructed 4000 years ago, but have only undergone 1000 years of aging, because the time machine skipped them forward 3000 years. Why? IT'S A TRAP.
    Option 3: these are authentic ruins, but shifted through time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PraetorDragoon View Post
    Option 3: these are authentic ruins, but shifted through time.
    3=1+2. The ruins are authentic, but aren't ancient, and it's a trap. The records have been falsified via time-travel shenanigans making what was a correct report in 1850 incorrect in 1880.

    Why didn't Bang realize that her experiences with Gil meant that they shouldn't take those ruins at face value? Now that I think about it, it's odd that Krosp sounded the alarm rather than Bang.

    Also, why is Bang not setting Zeetha up to be murdered later? Instead she's hanging with Krosp.

    Lastly, helmsman is imperturbable as insane cat enters the bridge insanely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shining Wrath View Post
    Why didn't Bang realize that her experiences with Gil meant that they shouldn't take those ruins at face value? Now that I think about it, it's odd that Krosp sounded the alarm rather than Bang.

    Also, why is Bang not setting Zeetha up to be murdered later? Instead she's hanging with Krosp.
    To the first, yeah, it's not obvious why she would note that but not then be the one to mention the possibility of danger (other than the Doylist one of Krosp going nuts on the bridge being a fun interlude). Perhaps it's Bang's amazing lack of fear? She doesn't have the best survival instincts. To the later, she is, however, afraid of Agatha, who warned her in specific terms just how dead she'd be if she messed with Agatha's loved ones. As for why hang out with Krosp... no idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Willie the Duck View Post
    To the first, yeah, it's not obvious why she would note that but not then be the one to mention the possibility of danger (other than the Doylist one of Krosp going nuts on the bridge being a fun interlude). Perhaps it's Bang's amazing lack of fear? She doesn't have the best survival instincts. To the later, she is, however, afraid of Agatha, who warned her in specific terms just how dead she'd be if she messed with Agatha's loved ones. As for why hang out with Krosp... no idea.
    She wasn't hanging out with him particularly, everybody was just looking out the windows. She laughed, which attracted his attention, and he asked for clarification.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shining Wrath View Post
    Why didn't Bang realize that her experiences with Gil meant that they shouldn't take those ruins at face value? Now that I think about it, it's odd that Krosp sounded the alarm rather than Bang.

    Also, why is Bang not setting Zeetha up to be murdered later? Instead she's hanging with Krosp.
    I get from Dupree's personality is that she is extremely confident & rarely afraid. Danger equals fun/excitement for her.

    As for killing Zeetha, Bang already said she loved her, and so probably won't kill her until she gets her Tweedle Hat-rack first.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shining Wrath View Post
    Why didn't Bang realize that her experiences with Gil meant that they shouldn't take those ruins at face value? Now that I think about it, it's odd that Krosp sounded the alarm rather than Bang.
    Well, she's used to travelling with Gil, who probably would have immediately jumped to sparky explanations and possible danger. Frankly, I'm way more surprised that Agatha and Trelawney immediately assumed a mundane explanation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoeticallyPsyco View Post
    Well, she's used to travelling with Gil, who probably would have immediately jumped to sparky explanations and possible danger. Frankly, I'm way more surprised that Agatha and Trelawney immediately assumed a mundane explanation.
    Yeah to me, its a combo of her bravery and crazy love of combat combined with adventuring with gil who probably took care of these situations when a solid stabbing wouldnt fix it. She isnt used to being in actual danger very often. So she recognizes the incoming setup but isnt worried because meh, same old same old.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Traab View Post
    Yeah to me, its a combo of her bravery and crazy love of combat combined with adventuring with gil who probably took care of these situations when a solid stabbing wouldnt fix it. She isnt used to being in actual danger very often. So she recognizes the incoming setup but isnt worried because meh, same old same old.
    A lot of the non-Spark characters in GG are heavy on the fatalism, as if they understand on some level that no matter how hard they train and how awesome they fight eventually something they absolutely can't do jack about if going to shut up and grind them into paste. The Jaegers are really big on this, but it impacts other characters (and if the Moldy Tortoise pirates are any indication whole militarized cultures) as well, especially Dupree.

    Honestly, this is a very reasonable reaction to have. There's a lot of stuff out there that only a Spark can stop. Martellus' knights, for example, were absolute elites, but they got zapped by the Storm King and that was it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mechalich View Post
    A lot of the non-Spark characters in GG are heavy on the fatalism, as if they understand on some level that no matter how hard they train and how awesome they fight eventually something they absolutely can't do jack about if going to shut up and grind them into paste. The Jaegers are really big on this, but it impacts other characters (and if the Moldy Tortoise pirates are any indication whole militarized cultures) as well, especially Dupree.

    Honestly, this is a very reasonable reaction to have. There's a lot of stuff out there that only a Spark can stop. Martellus' knights, for example, were absolute elites, but they got zapped by the Storm King and that was it.
    The entire Corbettite fortress full of things that only crazy religious fanatic fatalistic Irish monks want to deal with is an example of this. And yes, "crazy religious fanatic fatalistic Irish" may be a quintuple redundancy, at least in the Girl Genius universe. Even if the Corbettites have a lot of Sparks, they are still pretty much "sooner or later this stuff is going to kill us, isn't it?" about their job.
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