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    It must be a Thursday. He could never get the hang of Thursdays.
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    So many tenses... What the hell is supine even...
    The Latin language is our best evidence that time travel is indeed possible, since if it wasn't they wouldn't have needed all those tenses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peelee View Post
    It must be a Thursday. He could never get the hang of Thursdays.
    The Latin language is our best evidence that time travel is indeed possible, since if it wasn't they wouldn't have needed all those tenses.
    Maybe the romans were just a tense people?
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    Because you want to cause problems for everyone else for years after your death by acting as an orbiting hazard?
    The thing about that is that Space is ****ing big.

    Even just around the Earth.

    If I was placed up high enough that I didn't come back down the odds of my being a hazard are questionable.

    If Space Travel is really that common then at absolute most my freeze-dried, sunbaked space mummy would at most be an archaeological curiosity a few centuries from now.
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    I think that "death" counts as the stream of consciousness breaking.
    Yup. So the copy of you with your memories is just as much you as you are the you who last fell asleep.
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    I'm completely immune to fear.
    It's time to get my Magikarp on!

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    I'm completely immune to fear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fyraltari View Post
    Be careful then, fearless people tend to die young.
    Said who?
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    Said who?
    Among other people, the DMV. Theres a reason that young men have higher insurance costs, and it isnt because of aliens that deliberately sabotage their ability to drive.
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    Said who?
    Statistics. Also logic. The more risks you take the higher your odds of dying of something that isn't old age.

    That's the whole reason we evolved a fear response in the first place: assessing danger and reacting properly to it.
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    the Vector Legion [is the IFCC's new pawns], mark my words. Way too much unfinished business there and they already know about the Gates.
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    Among other people, the DMV. Theres a reason that young men have higher insurance costs, and it isnt because of aliens that deliberately sabotage their ability to drive.
    Well, I don't have a car so this doesn't apply to me.
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    I'm completely immune to fear.
    I sincerely doubt this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fyraltari View Post
    Statistics. Also logic. The more risks you take the higher your odds of dying of something that isn't old age.

    That's the whole reason we evolved a fear response in the first place: assessing danger and reacting properly to it.
    I need to research it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keltest View Post
    Among other people, the DMV. Theres a reason that young men have higher insurance costs, and it isnt because of aliens that deliberately sabotage their ability to drive.
    The DMV is fine with young men. It's the insurance companies that withhold trust.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bartmanhomer View Post
    Well, I don't have a car so this doesn't apply to me.
    "not having a car" is probably pretty low on the list of reasons as to why mind controlling aliens wont cause you to get into an accident actually.

    But the point is, young men without much fear do a lot of stupid stuff that gets them hurt or killed. They do this because of the "without much fear" part, not because of the "young men" part, as such.

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    The DMV is fine with young men. It's the insurance companies that withhold trust.
    I didnt say the DMV had a problem with young men, i just wanted it to be clear i was talking about car accidents, as opposed to something strange and unusual like dog-walking accidents.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keltest View Post
    "not having a car" is probably pretty low on the list of reasons as to why mind controlling aliens wont cause you to get into an accident actually.

    But the point is, young men without much fear do a lot of stupid stuff that gets them hurt or killed. They do this because of the "without much fear" part, not because of the "young men" part, as such.



    I didnt say the DMV had a problem with young men, i just wanted it to be clear i was talking about car accidents, as opposed to something strange and unusual like dog-walking accidents.
    I agree with your statement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keltest View Post
    as opposed to something strange and unusual like dog-walking accidents.
    My coordination problems make a mockery of your strange and unusual!

    But yeah, fear is there fora reason, and young people with less fear tend to get into situations more likely to kill them. It's like the saying about how there are bold soldiers, and there are old soldiers, but the two are rarely correlated.
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    I sincerely doubt this.
    I have face so many challenges and adventures. I even face Lolth who happens to be an Intermediate Drow Deity and I wasn't even afraid of her.
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    I have face so many challenges and adventures. I even face Lolth who happens to be an Intermediate Drow Deity and I wasn't even afraid of her.
    I wouldn't be surprised to learn that Mystic Muse also seriously doubts this.
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    I have face so many challenges and adventures. I even face Lolth who happens to be an Intermediate Drow Deity and I wasn't even afraid of her.
    Well, I brought my dinosaur who eats force field dogs.

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    I wouldn't be surprised to learn that MysticMuse also seriously doubt this.
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    I wouldn't be surprised to learn that MysticMuse also seriously doubt this.
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    Well, I brought my dinosaur who eats force field dogs.



    I'm not sure I'd be all that impressed even if I did believe it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mystic Muse View Post
    Well, I brought my dinosaur who eats force field dogs.
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    And then you see the very strong thematic similarities between Kingdom HEart's III's narrative, not only in Toybox but across the game, about how the connections between people are more important than proximity and if you're really friends then even if you never see them again those connections are still there, and see that same theme being presented in Toy Story 4... And you remember that the creative team behind all the Toy Story media helped work on Kingdom Hearts III and would have been working on it at the same time they were working on Toy Story 4, and... Screw you, I'm not crying, you're crying!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bartmanhomer View Post
    Believe what you want to believe. I speak the truth for what I said.
    What I was trying to say, by referencing a well-known line from Toy Story 3, is that power doesn't make you/your OC interesting.

    Just mentioning your adventures/power isn't a character, it's basically a list of things with a number on it.

    Also, Rater's OC could beat up your OC. This is a joking reference to the "My dad can beat up your dad" game, and also how much of an unholy Frankenstein Rater can create with combinable Marvel power sets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mystic Muse View Post
    Also, Rater's OC could beat up your OC.
    The ten-year-old disabled Akanbaan mutant symbiote-host who accidentally became an elder god after getting addicted to alien cannibalism and going on a massive rampage due to combination of outside influences and just going through nonstop trauma without getting a chance to rest, or her mother the undead ninja-supersoldier who did illegal underground cage fights in college, was murdered by people who kidnapped the first one so they could harvest her hormones to make drugs, and was accidentally brought back to life when the punisher spilled zombie juice on her grave while fighting HYDRA in a cemetery?

    Or the genetically engineered shapeshifting child soldier who is best described as a combination of Movieverse Mystique, Black Widow, and Early comics X-23.

    Or the Inhuman who absorbs mutagens and combines their effects.

    Or the Transgender Red-Hulk who wants to assume her Werewolf-like Hulkform permanently party because she's biologically female in that form and partially becuase the power feels good!

    If we want to move away from Marvel, I've also got a host of Dragonball and Naruto OCs used in roleplay in the freeform forum and I've got vague ideas for a DC OC who is a metahuman whose power is that they can generate "Emotive Energy" ex nilo and manipulate the seven main energies for minor effects that are determined in part by which "color" they're using.

    (So like, Green/Willpower creates a general buff aura on themself, Hope/Blue inspires confidence in others, Indigo/compassion is a minor healing hands thing, Violet/Love creates protective barriers, Yellow/Fear pushes people into Fight or Flight, Orange/Avarice... Never came up with one, and Red/Rage is destructive energy blasts) but if you gave them access to a Power Ring of... Any color then... You'd regret it.

    And the Magikarp human hybrid infiltration agent/loophole on international bans on using Gyarados during wartime.

    And the Saladit/Human Hybrid created to get around international bans on using poison types for chemical/biological warfare.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mystic Muse View Post
    What I was trying to say, by referencing a well-known line from Toy Story 3, is that power doesn't make you/your OC interesting.

    Just mentioning your adventures/power isn't a character, it's basically a list of things with a number on it.

    Also, Rater's OC could beat up your OC. This is a joking reference to the "My dad can beat up your dad" game, and also how much of an unholy Frankenstein Rater can create with combinable Marvel power sets.
    Ok, I see where you're coming from.
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    Ok, I see where you're coming from.
    Okay, going to go on a bit of a wild tangent here, because I think it will help you understand things a bit.

    On a certain level, it does not matter how much enthusiasm you have for something you've made. If you want other people to be interested in it, you have to sell it to them. Every person on Earth only has so much time in a day, and they aren't going to spend that precious time on something you can't interest them in. On that note.

    "Hey everyone. I have a character. She's a universalist wizard that's more powerful than almost any wizard that has ever existed." Is not going to interest most people. In fact, I bet that if I were to post that, the responses would be either nonexistent or overwhelmingly negative. This is because I have only focused on the character's power level, which is going to be the least interesting part of a character 99.99% of the time.

    "Hey everyone. I have a character. I am currently writing a story that is a bit of a send-up of Dante's Inferno, with her being lead through her own life and a variety of challenges so she can prove herself worthy to become an overdeity. She's being lead through this by the being who ignited every star in the sky when creation was born. It will test her to her limits, as she attempts to claim the throne abandoned by the one who initially created the universe. She's trying to do this because portions of reality are breaking."

    I guarantee you, at most one person in this thread will be interested in the first summary. At least a few people might be interested in the second, or see some value in it even if it isn't their thing. These are literally the exact same character.

    Most often what makes a character interesting is their personality, their conflicts, and how they respond to those conflicts. If a character is well-established enough, how far you can bend that character while still having them be that character can also be interesting.

    As a result, this is also why people hate when characters are bent too far. It's why people always complain when Batman uses guns to murder people. The moment that character picked up a gun, they stopped being Batman. Batman Beyond has a fantastic moment with this, where Bruce has gotten too old and in the middle of a job is forced to pick up a gun. That's when he hangs up the cowl forever. I think the only exception most people are willing to make is, there's apparently a moment where he says something along the lines of "I made a very solemn vow about murder, but for you I'm making a once-in-a-lifetime exception." and that's to freaking Darkseid of all people.

    You can write your stories however you want. Like AnonymousWizard said, writing on the fly is a valid style. However, if you want other people to care, you have to establish characters and their conflicts. You have to establish why they're in those conflicts, and you have to make those conflicts matter to the character. If the characters don't care about the outcome of something, the audience sure as hell isn't going to.

    And conflicts don't need to be big and grandiose, but how a character goes about them should always tell you something about the character. As an example from the story I mentioned, what if my character goes through all the blood sweat and tears required to become an overdeity, but the last step of the journey requires her to cross a line she's previously sworn never to cross? Does she cross the line to get what she wants? Does she abandon her journey right at the finish line, because her morals are more important than her goals? The answer tells your audience something about the character, and who they are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mystic Muse View Post
    Okay, going to go on a bit of a wild tangent here, because I think it will help you understand things a bit.

    On a certain level, it does not matter how much enthusiasm you have for something you've made. If you want other people to be interested in it, you have to sell it to them. Every person on Earth only has so much time in a day, and they aren't going to spend that precious time on something you can't interest them in. On that note.

    "Hey everyone. I have a character. She's a universalist wizard that's more powerful than almost any wizard that has ever existed." Is not going to interest most people. I bet that if I were to post that, the responses would be either nonexistent or overwhelmingly negative. This is because I have only focused on the character's power level, which is going to be the least interesting part of a character 99.99% of the time.

    "Hey everyone. I have a character. I am currently writing a story that is a bit of a send-up of Dante's Inferno, with her being lead through her own life and a variety of challenges so she can prove herself worthy to become an overdensity. She's being lead through this by the being who ignited every star in the sky when creation was born. It will test her to her limits, as she attempts to claim the throne abandoned by the one who initially created the universe. She's trying to do this because portions of reality are breaking."

    I guarantee you, at most one person in this thread will be interested in the first summary. At least a few people might be interested in the second or see some value in it even if it isn't their thing. These are the same character.

    Most often what makes a character interesting is their personality, their conflicts, and how they respond to those conflicts. If a character is well-established enough, how far you can bend that character while still having them be that character can also be interesting.

    As a result, this is also why people hate when characters are bent too far. It's why people always complain when Batman uses guns to murder people. The moment that character picked up a gun, they stopped being Batman. Batman Beyond has a fantastic moment with this, where Bruce has gotten too old and in the middle of a job is forced to pick up a gun. That's when he hangs up the cowl forever. I think the only exception most people are willing to make is, there's a moment where he says something along the lines of "I made a very solemn vow about murder, but for you, I'm making a once-in-a-lifetime exception." and that's too freaking Darkseid of all people.

    You can write your stories however you want. Like AnonymousWizard said, writing on the fly is a valid style. However, if you want other people to care, you have to establish characters and their conflicts. You have to establish why they're in those conflicts, and you have to make those conflicts matter to the character. If the characters don't care about the outcome of something, the audience sure as hell isn't going to.

    And conflicts don't need to be big and grandiose, but how a character goes about them should always tell you something about the character. As an example from the story I mentioned, what if my character goes through all the blood sweat, and tears required to become an overdensity, but the last step of the journey requires her to cross a line she's previously sworn never to cross? Does she cross the line to get what she wants? Does she abandon her journey right at the finish line, because her morals are more important than her goals? The answer tells your audience something about the character, and who they are.
    Yes. I get it now. Thank you as always Mystic Muse.
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    "Hey everyone. I have a character. She's a universalist wizard that's more powerful than almost any wizard that has ever existed."
    My response to this is overwhelmingly negative.
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    "Hey everyone. I have a character. I am currently writing a story that is a bit of a send-up of Dante's Inferno, with her being lead through her own life and a variety of challenges so she can prove herself worthy to become an overdeity. She's being lead through this by the being who ignited every star in the sky when creation was born. It will test her to her limits, as she attempts to claim the throne abandoned by the one who initially created the universe. She's trying to do this because portions of reality are breaking."
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    Batman Beyond has a fantastic moment with this
    Kind of cheating there, Batman Beyond has a fantastic moment with a lot of things. Like the voice in Bruce Wayne's head and how absolutely sure he was that he wasn't' going crazy.
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    My response to this is overwhelmingly negative.

    I see value in this even if it isn't my thing.
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    Kind of cheating there, Batman Beyond has a fantastic moment with a lot of things. Like the voice in Bruce Wayne's head and how absolutely sure he was that he wasn't' going crazy.
    This just means it's a good Batman series, and not a bad one.
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    Sometimes I think it would be cool to live in a cave.

    But then the fact that there are no doors would be a problem.

    And other stuff about living in a cave.

    It'd pretty much either be a "you don't have a choice" situation or a "you don't need a lot of the stuff that living in a cave makes it hard to get" situation.
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    Okay, going to go on a bit of a wild tangent here, because I think it will help you understand things a bit.

    On a certain level, it does not matter how much enthusiasm you have for something you've made. If you want other people to be interested in it, you have to sell it to them. Every person on Earth only has so much time in a day, and they aren't going to spend that precious time on something you can't interest them in. On that note.

    "Hey everyone. I have a character. She's a universalist wizard that's more powerful than almost any wizard that has ever existed." Is not going to interest most people. In fact, I bet that if I were to post that, the responses would be either nonexistent or overwhelmingly negative. This is because I have only focused on the character's power level, which is going to be the least interesting part of a character 99.99% of the time.

    "Hey everyone. I have a character. I am currently writing a story that is a bit of a send-up of Dante's Inferno, with her being lead through her own life and a variety of challenges so she can prove herself worthy to become an overdeity. She's being lead through this by the being who ignited every star in the sky when creation was born. It will test her to her limits, as she attempts to claim the throne abandoned by the one who initially created the universe. She's trying to do this because portions of reality are breaking."
    For me the first one would not be interesting because it does not imply a story, or a world, or any kind of lore. It reminds me of many a Mary Sue fanfiction and whilst I do not begrudge anyone writing those, I'm also not particularly interested in reading them.

    I'd probably not read the 2nd in full (I'm sorry Muse, but my list of media to consume is quite full already ), but it does intrigue me. It implies an interesting story and I would at least be interested in learning a little bit more about the setting and lore of that world. For example, one thing I'd ask myself is why was the throne abandoned and did they perhaps have a good reason for doing so?

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    Kind of cheating there, Batman Beyond has a fantastic moment with a lot of things. Like the voice in Bruce Wayne's head and how absolutely sure he was that he wasn't' going crazy.
    In the very first episode if I recall correctly. Batman Beyond was cool. I remember watching that as a kid. Also, what mr. Wayne really needed was some therapy to process the death of his parents in a healthy manner instead of... becoming a vigilante with a bat theme. But that would of course make for a completely different story.

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