OOTS #1230 - The Discussion Thread

[Fyraltari]

Anticlimax coming...

That's an oxymoron.
HEYYYYYYY!

[Good Coyote]

I mean the Serini fight isn't exactly the climax anyways.

The Xykon fight would be. Since they're getting the Serini fight instead... anticlimax.

(By their perspective, not ours. They're expecting a Xykon fight, we don't seem to be anymore.)

[bunsen_h]

One of the books (Unfinished Tales most likely) has a description of Nùmenorean fruits that sound suspiciously like tomatoes too.

Apparently the first edition of The Hobbit mentions tomatoes explicitly, but that was changed for later editions.

[danielxcutter]

That's an oxymoron.
HEYYYYYYY!

...Can somebody explain the joke?

[Riftwolf]

...Can somebody explain the joke?

Oxymoron is an insult for minotaurs.

[arimareiji]

...Can somebody explain the joke?

Maybe Serini is Auntie Climax?

[Fyraltari]

...Can somebody explain the joke?

"The climax" and "to come" are both ways to refer to an orgasm, so "anticlimax coming" is a contradiction.

[JSSheridan]

Thanks Giant!

[Windscion]

...Now I'm wondering if a certain feline companion is going to die with/before/after Belkar.. If they both passed, they'd be set forever in peace.

I've always assumed that Belkar's death comes about because someone kills Mr Scruffy. Belkar responds by flipping out and dies in the ensuing fight, which could be a help or a hindrance to Roy's goals.

[Shoelessgdowar]

...Can somebody explain the joke?

"The climax" and "to come" are both ways to refer to an orgasm, so "anticlimax coming" is a contradiction.

An oxymoron is a term or phrase that contradicts itself either directly or indirectly Freezer Burn (Direct) and Military Intelligence (indirect) are two common ones.

Fyraltari is both spot on and close... a climax comes, so an Anticlimax would be the opposite, ergo going, so a going is to come :)

And as Lilly Von Shtupp would say, "Always too soon"

[Fyraltari]

Fyraltari is both spot on and close.

Considering that I made the joke, I would hope so, yes.

[pearl jam]

"The climax" and "to come" are both ways to refer to an orgasm, so "anticlimax coming" is a contradiction.

An oxymoron is a term or phrase that contradicts itself either directly or indirectly Freezer Burn (Direct) and Military Intelligence (indirect) are two common ones.

Fyraltari is both spot on and close... a climax comes, so an Anticlimax would be the opposite, ergo going, so a going is to come :)

And as Lilly Von Shtupp would say, "Always too soon"

In Japanese they say "iku" or "to go" when/to refer to climaxing, so a going is, indeed, to come.

[Edward15]

Guys, a crazy and disturbing theory came to me. Suppose Seirini succeeds in force-feeding the Order than amnesia potion, and it ends up working too well and causes the Order to forget all their adventures together and returns them to how they were before they all met?

[arimareiji]

Considering that I made the joke, I would hope so, yes.

Silly rabbit, fics are for kids! (^_~)

Just curious, how many times would you guess you've seen people openly disagree with the Giant about What It All Means?

_{(The actual number of times is probably too high to track, but how many digits would you guess are in the number?)}

[dethkruzer]

I wasn't given a permission slip for this feels trip.

[The Pilgrim]

Guys, a crazy and disturbing theory came to me. Suppose Seirini succeeds in force-feeding the Order than amnesia potion, and it ends up working too well and causes the Order to forget all their adventures together and returns them to how they were before they all met?

Then the Giant could reboot the series and keep working on it for 17 more years.

[Rrmcklin]

Guys, a crazy and disturbing theory came to me. Suppose Seirini succeeds in force-feeding the Order than amnesia potion, and it ends up working too well and causes the Order to forget all their adventures together and returns them to how they were before they all met?

And what benefit would hard resetting all of the main characters provide?

[Edward15]

Then the Giant could reboot the series and keep working on it for 17 more years.

Not the reaction I was thinking of. I was expecting people to be upset about the concept that Order's character growth would be undone like that:

Roy would wonder why he's with a bunch of crazy idiots.
Durkon wouldn't remember the mission Thor gave him and once again think he was exiled for no good reason.
Varasuvius would once again become a pompous and arrogant wizard who believes in this superiority of Arcane magic (and be a bit shocked upon being pulled down into a pit by three fiends).
Belkar would once again become a psychotic little monster.
And I don't think I even need to mention Elan and Haley.

And what benefit would hard resetting all of the main characters provide?

Well, something would need to happen in order to forestall the final battle with Xykon. Not to mention the Order would have to get their act together again in order to stop him.

Considering a lot of cliches have already happened, the old "team-doesn't-remember-each-other" concept is one of the few that hasn't been used yet.

[dancrilis]

And what benefit would hard resetting all of the main characters provide?

The Order came closest to defeating Xykon in their first encounter - so setting them back to that might be just the strategy they need.

They can skillfully combat his prowess with their ineptitude - which also was Nale's most successful plan.

This also might with with the knowledge of bards if for instance at present the Order has a one in a thousand shot of taking down Xykon - if they can get that to one in a million it will become a sure thing.

[Ruck]

I mean, I'm willing to accept the poor phrasing as just early writing fumbles, I do think Elan was sincere (if only because early Elan had nary an insincere bone in his body). It is worth noting the number of times that "I'm sorry you were offended" has been used by SOBs to make an entirely insincere apology, as there's a drive into deep left field by Castellanos and that'll be a home run. And so that'll make it a 4-0 ballgame, and we need to make teach people why apologies like that need to be sincere and not weaselly.

Haha, good pull.

[Malfarian]

I am pretty surprised with Elan, this kind of exposition and unity almost always precedes someone's death due to some shocking incident.

He should try to stop it.

[Devils_Advocate]

What final destination for those that wanted to change, but just ran out of Time?

I think that those who tried and failed to live up to the ideals other Outer Planes go to the Gate Towns of the Outlands. Miko probably went to the one for Celestia, for example.

It might just be me being Lawful, but I think that Mechanus is a much better place to end up on than Limbo, even though they are both the "neutral" afterlife.

Mechanus isn't necessarily peaceful, what with those expansionist antlike beings. And it's safe to say that pretty much all authority regards personal freedom as a negative. By and large, there probably is a lot of Stability, but also a dearth of Potential.

[Goblin_Priest]

This is partly because LotR is purportedly European "before-times" but tobacco is a New-World plant. The same problem applies to the potatoes that Sam was so fond of.

And partly wishful thinking that the hobbits and wizards were stoned all the time.

Maybe the elves imported it and now grow it for everyone. The elves are irish?

[ErisStorm]

Elan is really growing on me and becoming a favourite character.

It's wonderful to see him continuing to learn from his experiences.

[ziproot]

I think that those who tried and failed to live up to the ideals other Outer Planes go to the Gate Towns of the Outlands. Miko probably went to the one for Celestia, for example.


Mechanus isn't necessarily peaceful, what with those expansionist antlike beings. And it's safe to say that pretty much all authority regards personal freedom as a negative. By and large, there probably is a lot of Stability, but also a dearth of Potential.

After thinking about it, it reminded me of The Giver.

[danielxcutter]

"The climax" and "to come" are both ways to refer to an orgasm, so "anticlimax coming" is a contradiction.

...Oh my god.

After thinking about it, it reminded me of The Giver.

I think the Giant said that the Mechanus afterlife is doing paperwork until your consciousness dissolves from the ennui or something? Still better than Baator though, where you LITERALLY get tortured to that point.

[arimareiji]

...Oh my god.

Could be worse... at least you didn't guess down the wrong road and wonder whether Serini's dramatic debut makes her Auntie Climax. (>_<)

I think the Giant said that the Mechanus afterlife is doing paperwork until your consciousness dissolves from the ennui or something? Still better than Baator though, where you LITERALLY get tortured to that point.

Taking this in tandem with Eugene's sarcastic opinion that Roy being turned into a golem makes him a perfect fighter, I wonder whether the upgraded version of LN paradise (for the ones whose lives match what they wrote on their character sheets) might be that you get to become a robot or a golem... for all eternity, you get to do only what you're told. (^_~)

[brionl]

Apparently the first edition of The Hobbit mentions tomatoes explicitly, but that was changed for later editions.

Also 'taters aka po-tay-toes, another New World plant.
In the Halcyon days of J.R.R.'s youth, Tobacco was often referred to as a "noxious weed" among other pejoratives. Pretty sure that's what he meant, wishful thinking of the hippies aside.

[pearl jam]

That's a fairly disturbing signature.

[Wraithfighter]

Taking this in tandem with Eugene's sarcastic opinion that Roy being turned into a golem makes him a perfect fighter, I wonder whether the upgraded version of LN paradise (for the ones whose lives match what they wrote on their character sheets) might be that you get to become a robot or a golem... for all eternity, you get to do only what you're told. (^_~)

I figure that Lawful Neutral heaven would be like designing and playing incredibly complex but functional games.

Like, you know those board games that take a few hours to set up, and each turn has dozens of interactions? Like that, but more so. And also with elements of Lawful Calvinball, where participants can come up with new rules that might be interesting to work with, agreed to by everyone.

Because, after all, everyone's Lawful Neutral, they're not playing for the good or bad guys to win, or thinking about cheating the other players for their own gain, mastering and coming up with more and better rules is the biggest fun of it all. Better to lose to a perfectly played gambit than to win through a cheat to the pure Lawful Neutral sort.

...

That honestly sounds really fun.