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    You can still use Tactical Marines. There actually isn't anything stopping you from using Tactical Marines. Why are you mad?
    Wrong, they made all the Ork players have to rebase their 100+ Ork boys onto 32mm bases so they could justify a 5 dollar price change on the box.

    And if it turns into a Tactical vs Primaris problem, well, you know exactly how that goes.
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    Also, it's 9th Ed. Nobody's army should feature even close to 100 models ever again.
    Uh

    What? Top tyranid lists at the moment are something like 40 Hormagaunts and 30-60 Termagants. Drukhari causing them to pivot to 60 Termagants instead of a Dimachaeron.

    Genestealer Cults have no elite infantry units to pivot to. They can't, as a concept, get away from spam.

    And Imperial Guard not having masses of infantry seems deeply, deeply wrong.
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    Anyone else think that Imperial flyer on the cover of Wrath of Angels (Day 4) looks like a Battlestar: Galactica Viper knock-off?

    As far as the orks, it's nice that they're painting them in brighter greens, I guess.

    Looking at the map of Ghur... what exactly are we looking at? Did someone terraform Warhammer World to look like a pair of chaos beasts attacking each other? Is that seriously what the land masses are supposed to look like?
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    Anyone else think that Imperial flyer on the cover of Wrath of Angels (Day 4) looks like a Battlestar: Galactica Viper knock-off?
    Not sure what pic you're referring to, but there's definitely an Imp. Flyer that's spot on BS:G. (This guy comes to mind)
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    Looking at the map of Ghur... what exactly are we looking at? Did someone terraform Warhammer World to look like a pair of chaos beasts attacking each other? Is that seriously what the land masses are supposed to look like?
    Ghur is the Realm of Beasts, so the fact that the landmasses just might actually be giant godbeasts would be on brand.
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    Wrong, they made all the Ork players have to rebase their 100+ Ork boys onto 32mm bases so they could justify a 5 dollar price change on the box.
    Well, you can just buy bases. Rebasing your existing models isn't that hard, nor that expensive (comparitively).

    And if it turns into a Tactical vs Primaris problem...
    Again, I don't know to what problem you are referring to.
    I can still use Tactical Marines and Scouts, and almost all other Firstborn units. Any implication that I can't, is by the consumer, and therefore not true.

    The real problem is Legends'ing stuff. No-one ever re-brings that up constantly. Even though it proves that there's a Sword of Damocles hanging over every unit you've ever loved.
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    Looking at the map of Ghur... what exactly are we looking at? Did someone terraform Warhammer World to look like a pair of chaos beasts attacking each other? Is that seriously what the land masses are supposed to look like?
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    Ghur is one of the 8 Realms that were discovered and repopulated. Ghur specifically is the Land of Beasts, a land of savagery, conflict, hunger, brutality. The idea is that even the very continents are locked in a cannibalistic battle of supremacy, devouring each other.

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    Uh

    What? Top tyranid lists at the moment are something like 40 Hormagaunts and 30-60 Termagants. Drukhari causing them to pivot to 60 Termagants instead of a Dimachaeron.
    I looked that up. Can't find what you're talking about. I see 40-60 Hormagaunts or 40-60 Termagants. I can't find a list with both units. Mostly I'm finding Tyranid Warriors and Rippers, because Tyranid Troops are trash.

    I think the bigger problem is that high-tier Tyranid Lists are utterly reliant on Forge World units.

    However, I did find a few 100+ model Ork armies. 90 (3x30, for a Battalion) Boyz + MSU everything else gets you to about 110 models, in a 9th Ed. Ork army. So I'll take that back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheesegear View Post
    I looked that up. Can't find what you're talking about. I see 40-60 Hormagaunts or 40-60 Termagants. I can't find a list with both units. Mostly I'm finding Tyranid Warriors and Rippers, because Tyranid Troops are trash.

    I think the bigger problem is that high-tier Tyranid Lists are utterly reliant on Forge World units.

    However, I did find a few 100+ model Ork armies. 90 (3x30, for a Battalion) Boyz + MSU everything else gets you to about 110 models, in a 9th Ed. Ork army. So I'll take that back.
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    Since orks have been mentioned, I have been summoned to ask another silly question.

    By Battlescribe, Nob Bikerz are 30ppm (40ppm with Klaws) and Meganobz are...I think 38ppm stock. I had heard that people were using Meganobz a lot for things, since they're 3W, 2+.

    My question is this: Is the extra 10" of movement on the Bikerz worth only having 4+ saves for functionally the same price? Are people using them, and I just don't hear about it because generally no one is bothered by what orks are up to?
    Getting into combat on turn 1 isn't too difficult for Evil Suns bikes (14+2" move, 1d6+1" advance, 2d6+1" rerolling charge, average threat range 28.5" before rerolls), and Meganobz don't have any T1 delivery systems I'm aware of. Unless Da Jump lands, but that's only one unit.

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    Since orks have been mentioned, I have been summoned to ask another silly question.

    By Battlescribe, Nob Bikerz are 30ppm (40ppm with Klaws) and Meganobz are...I think 38ppm stock. I had heard that people were using Meganobz a lot for things, since they're 3W, 2+.

    My question is this: Is the extra 10" of movement on the Bikerz worth only having 4+ saves for functionally the same price? Are people using them, and I just don't hear about it because generally no one is bothered by what orks are up to?
    Getting into combat on turn 1 isn't too difficult for Evil Suns bikes (14+2" move, 1d6+1" advance, 2d6+1" rerolling charge, average threat range 28.5" before rerolls), and Meganobz don't have any T1 delivery systems I'm aware of. Unless Da Jump lands, but that's only one unit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hootman View Post
    Since orks have been mentioned, I have been summoned to ask another silly question.

    By Battlescribe, Nob Bikerz are 30ppm (40ppm with Klaws) and Meganobz are...I think 38ppm stock. I had heard that people were using Meganobz a lot for things, since they're 3W, 2+.

    My question is this: Is the extra 10" of movement on the Bikerz worth only having 4+ saves for functionally the same price? Are people using them, and I just don't hear about it because generally no one is bothered by what orks are up to?
    Getting into combat on turn 1 isn't too difficult for Evil Suns bikes (14+2" move, 1d6+1" advance, 2d6+1" rerolling charge, average threat range 28.5" before rerolls), and Meganobz don't have any T1 delivery systems I'm aware of. Unless Da Jump lands, but that's only one unit.
    Well I'm not sure how well they'd operate against Drukhari. Probably be better than Meganobs actually, though they'd get absolutely melted by Liquifiers.

    Anyways, I'd say they were worse, because Meganobs did a lot of sitting on Objectives, and being tougher mattered a lot for that. Also Meganobs have a stratagem to boost their damage which is also really important.
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    Rules for Morvehn Vahl - the recently revealed Sisters of Battle High-Abbess-in-Baby Carrier - have been teased on WarCom.

    I'm seeing Primarch-lite. If she costs less than 400pts, I will be a little bit surprised; if she's under 350pts I'll be amazed. Do SoB's need a top-heavy HQ or Lord of War? Neat, but without Psykery to match her up to Mortarion or Magnus I think she's going to be hard to justify.
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    They're 35 in Codex, 30 in Forgeworld. The Munitorium Field Manual is still bad.
    The same unit, with the same stats, exists in two different places? With different costs? That's...baffling. I would understand if my numbers were just out of date in the basic sense, but you seem to be suggesting something quite different.

    That 5pt bump does make a considerable dent in their affordability, assuming you never planned on giving the Megaz a Trukk to ride in...

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    Well I'm not sure how well they'd operate against Drukhari. Probably be better than Meganobs actually, though they'd get absolutely melted by Liquifiers.

    Anyways, I'd say they were worse, because Meganobs did a lot of sitting on Objectives, and being tougher mattered a lot for that. Also Meganobs have a stratagem to boost their damage which is also really important.
    I see. Being slow is less of an issue if you can play king of the hill effectively instead of being aggressive. And the damage boost for clutch punches does make sense as a selling point. I wish the guns on Bikerz mattered. They've always been my favorite way of just dumping dakka down range before a charge, but with orks never having AP-anything guns and half the things in the game getting extra wounds, they're much less fun than they used to be.

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    I see. Being slow is less of an issue if you can play king of the hill effectively instead of being aggressive. And the damage boost for clutch punches does make sense as a selling point. I wish the guns on Bikerz mattered. They've always been my favorite way of just dumping dakka down range before a charge, but with orks never having AP-anything guns and half the things in the game getting extra wounds, they're much less fun than they used to be.
    The guns would matter for a different army to be fair. Mass shots are important. But Orks have that in abundance already so the guns more come off as redundant on the bikers.
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    Rules for Morvehn Vahl - the recently revealed Sisters of Battle High-Abbess-in-Baby Carrier - have been teased on WarCom.

    I'm seeing Primarch-lite. If she costs less than 400pts, I will be a little bit surprised; if she's under 350pts I'll be amazed. Do SoB's need a top-heavy HQ or Lord of War? Neat, but without Psykery to match her up to Mortarion or Magnus I think she's going to be hard to justify.
    Not one that's that expensive no. Hell, Celestine, at her much lower price, was a bit of an ask. Its just that she was really, really useful so we paid it.

    Also 4++ and 4++ for Motal Wounds. Oh lovely we're continuing that trend.

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    I may have pulled those numbers directly out of my butt - I was just reading down the list of Things that she has got, all her weapons have two modes, two different buffs, ways to halve incoming and double out-going damage and was really impressed... But then I realised just what I was comparing her to in the case of Magnus, and she ain't a Primarch. Not even a 30k Primarch, in some cases.

    As for the big, baroque Inquisitor armour, I agree with you. Put her in a big, gnarly-looking "Centurion-style" suit and cover is in studs and purity seals and I will love it. Still, there's still the vague rumour of a Codex: Agents of the Imperium that resurfaces every so often - a joint Inquisition/Assassins/Sisters of Silence may yet come to pass, though hope for minis is probably quite scarce.
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    Not one that's that expensive no. Hell, Celestine, at her much lower price, was a bit of an ask. Its just that she was really, really useful so we paid it.

    Also 4++ and 4++ for Motal Wounds. Oh lovely we're continuing that trend.

    Aaaaand she stole Gazghkull's schtick.

    Sigh. Every time I look at her I'm like, "you were this close to just having someone use the old Power Armor from Inquisitor!" but then we had to make a baby carrier. And put a High Lord in it. For reasons.

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    What schtick? She doesn't have 4 wounds per phase, she doesn't have advance and charge, she doesn't have +1 attack. So what specifically are you referring to?
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    What schtick? She doesn't have 4 wounds per phase, she doesn't have advance and charge, she doesn't have +1 attack. So what specifically are you referring to?
    Sorry, forgot that Gazghkull doesn't halve damage a while after I wrote that and never got around to fixing it. So ignore.

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    I may have pulled those numbers directly out of my butt - I was just reading down the list of Things that she has got, all her weapons have two modes, two different buffs, ways to halve incoming and double out-going damage and was really impressed... But then I realised just what I was comparing her to in the case of Magnus, and she ain't a Primarch. Not even a 30k Primarch, in some cases.

    As for the big, baroque Inquisitor armour, I agree with you. Put her in a big, gnarly-looking "Centurion-style" suit and cover is in studs and purity seals and I will love it. Still, there's still the vague rumour of a Codex: Agents of the Imperium that resurfaces every so often - a joint Inquisition/Assassins/Sisters of Silence may yet come to pass, though hope for minis is probably quite scarce.
    The funny part is, you could leave the suit she is currently in exactly the same, except move her back so she's completely inside and I'd probably be fine with it.
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    The funny part is, you could leave the suit she is currently in exactly the same, except move her back so she's completely inside and I'd probably be fine with it.
    Would you? She looks like a Protectorate warjack but less stylish.

    The Chapter Master aura is neat, but it'll be all up to slot and costs. Hopefully she is not a LoW.

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    Would you? She looks like a Protectorate warjack but less stylish.

    The Chapter Master aura is neat, but it'll be all up to slot and costs. Hopefully she is not a LoW.
    Probably. I like pretty much every Warjack and I don't hate the walker. I hate the baby carrier on the front.
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    She looks like a Protectorate warjack but less stylish.
    I lol'd pretty hard.
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    Oh damn, she does.

    Though that's probably just a general shared love for top-heavy pauldrons.
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    Probably. I like pretty much every Warjack and I don't hate the walker. I hate the baby carrier on the front.
    While the arms are separate from the suit arms, I think the suit looks much less "baby-carrier-ish" than the Dreadknight does, with the pilot being further in, and better protected, rather than on the very front.

    I'd characterise it as midway between the Centurion and the Dreadknight.
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    *squints at the Dallas Open results*

    no bet, "better autocannon the faction" will do just fine.

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    That appears to be a tournament where the top 8 held a 1-5 Knights list and where Drukhari was undefeated but got in second because battle points rather than game wins determined placement.
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