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    Pixie in the Playground
     
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    Default Re: How to Fix Eschew Materials

    There is one more use from Eschew Materials that no one has mentioned yet:

    Imagine the adventurers are parted from their gear. (Maybe the party got framed for murder and decided not to massacre the usually allied city guard, and got taken to gaol.) Suddenly many of their usual options are no longer available.

    The Archer is in tears, the Paladin feels naked, the Monk and the Warlock are grinning at each other, and the Spellcasters' players are desperately searching for spells without material components.

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    Firbolg in the Playground
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    Default Re: How to Fix Eschew Materials

    Quote Originally Posted by Fizban View Post
    [*]A piece of sunstone and a naked flame- I assume the former is a gem/mineral/rock of some sort, but the latter flat out cannot be stored in a pouch.
    You just need to be very passionate with someone very small, strip their clothes off, and stuff them in a bag. Voila! Naked flame, stored in a pouch.

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    Default Re: How to Fix Eschew Materials

    Quote Originally Posted by NilsRichter View Post
    There is one more use from Eschew Materials that no one has mentioned yet:

    Imagine the adventurers are parted from their gear. (Maybe the party got framed for murder and decided not to massacre the usually allied city guard, and got taken to gaol.) Suddenly many of their usual options are no longer available.

    The Archer is in tears, the Paladin feels naked, the Monk and the Warlock are grinning at each other, and the Spellcasters' players are desperately searching for spells without material components.
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    Barbarian in the Playground
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    Default Re: How to Fix Eschew Materials

    Quote Originally Posted by Telonius View Post
    Agree, in a literal sense. Material components are a joke. Yes, you can mumble something about sympathetic magic. But when throwing a pie at somebody results in hideous laughter, that is a terrible pun. So is 1cp to detect thoughts (penny for your thoughts).
    As for the penny, I kinda like that one. You call it a joke, but it could also easily be the entire 'in game' reason while the whole expression came into being in the first place.

    I got nothing for the pie though.. that one is just sad.
    Quote Originally Posted by Beheld View Post
    Wholly Crap! Did someone just make an argument based on the actual rules text! You clearly don't belong in this thread.

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    Default Re: How to Fix Eschew Materials

    While I think the OP's suggestion is too powerful for just one feat, the idea is intriguing. What if it were not an epic feat, but merely a feat that had Eschew Materials as a prerequisite? Maybe two feats: first for up to 50 gp, second gets you all the way to 250?

    House rule fabricate to have the materials as targets rather than components or foci to close that one silly loophole.

    I feel this thread, tangentially, also deserves to have blood money pointed out.
    Last edited by Segev; 2021-04-24 at 11:04 AM.

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    Default Re: How to Fix Eschew Materials

    One suggestion: retrieving a material component is always a move action. Eschew Materials is a psionic feat which allows you to use your personal energy as a substitute "spark" for your spells, and requires you to expend your psionic focus to use it.
    This makes it useful, but not spammable, and also gives it a bit more allure as something that not all casters are capable of.

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    Ogre in the Playground
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    Default Re: How to Fix Eschew Materials

    Retrieving material components already is a move action (even though most people ignore this or don't really know about it) and making eschew materials a psionic feat that requires expending a full-round action is simply making it worse for no reason. Eschew materials is not a strong feat, but neither is it weak. Honestly it is one of the better designed feats out there. It provides a marked improvement in action economy while providing an extremely convenient service. There are times when a caster is separated from their components. It happens. It's also useful if you prefer the gish playstyle. Combine it with the Somatic Weaponry feat and you don't need a free hand to cast a spell, only one that can hold something like a mithril light shield.
    Last edited by Darg; 2021-04-24 at 11:53 PM.

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    Default Re: How to Fix Eschew Materials

    I for one would give it its +0 metamagic feat status back. As it does alter the way you cast spells (and it would make it easier to qualify for classes that require ‘any one metamagic feat’ without taking a junk feat you’ll never use)
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    Ogre in the Playground
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    Default Re: How to Fix Eschew Materials

    It was a metamagic feat? I guess they wanted to make it more useable for spontaneous casters.

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