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    Default Re: Magic: The Gathering Thread XXV: 3 Vorthoses barely clinging to sanity and 45 Spi

    Iíll cop to the possibility I misread his intentions, but GG is generally expressed at the end of a game in Arena, not the start. And given the other evidence - Blue-Green deck, Teferi avatar - Iím willing to bet he/she was more of a Seto Kaiba than a Joey Wheeler/Katsuya Jonouchi.

    Also, just to be clear, Iím not claiming to be a great player or even a good player. Iím just making a point about the dangers of overconfidence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Techwarrior View Post
    Last I checked, admittedly this was a while ago, there wasn't a "good luck" emote and good game was as close as you could get.
    "Hello" seems much closer, to me.
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    They did hit the Hello emote before Good Game. Didnít think that was relevant, but maybe it was.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Giggling Ghast View Post
    ďGood game,Ē my opponent with the Teferi avatar says in the opening turn, as though the game were already over. And indeed, perhaps he has the deck to back up that confidence, we're not far into the game, and he has a couple of 7/7 and 8/8 beatsticks summoned, along with with Saryth the Viperís Fang; Kohma, World Serpent; Wrenn and Seven and another planeswalker whose name escapes me.

    But Iím playing Red/Green Werewolves and I have a crapload of them out thanks to Howlpack Piper. (A must-have for werewolf decks, BTW.) Then I cast Ill-Tempered Loner, give it Haste thanks to Reckless Stormseeker, and his giant wall of monsters turns into a liability as I attack with everyone and transfer all the damage his monsters deal my wolves into direct damage aimed at his head. He gets brought down to -1 life and I hit the "Good game" emote just before the game ends.

    That, my friends, is a lesson in hubris.
    Whatís your werewolf deck list if you donít mind me asking?

    Iím having trouble picking my finisher. I keep flopping between Huntmaster, Loner, and Caretaker. Iíve been using huntmaster for getting a solid 3 bodies after a wipe. But Iíve been seeing fewer boardwipes that arenít meathook massacre recently.

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    Keep in mind I'm playing Arena and I need some Enchantment removal to contend with the plethora of Lifegain decks and their 1.5 million Cleric Class spells. Also, I just started playing Arena a month or two ago, so donít give me grief for not having four copies of Sarulf, World Eater or whatever.

    End the Festivities x2 (good for removing those pesky Halfling Innkeepers)
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    A typical game usually involves putting out Kessig Naturalist on Turn 2 which usually gives me the mana to cast Hookhand Ravager or Child of the Pack by Turn 3 (assuming I don't have a Tovolar in hand - he really needs to get out as soon as possible, circumstances permitting).

    Child of the Pack may not seem great, but you can use her ability to summon a wolf on Turn 4, and since you haven't cast any spells, it becomes night. Howlpack Piper also works this way.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dienekes View Post
    Iím having trouble picking my finisher. I keep flopping between Huntmaster, Loner, and Caretaker. Iíve been using huntmaster for getting a solid 3 bodies after a wipe. But Iíve been seeing fewer boardwipes that arenít meathook massacre recently.
    Tovolar's Huntmaster is a great card but I always seem to lose him to removal. I don't have Avabruck Caretaker but I hear she's an absolute beast; I would go with her.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Giggling Ghast View Post
    They did hit the Hello emote before Good Game. Didnít think that was relevant, but maybe it was.
    I would definitely read that as them wishing you a good game rather than getting on a my knickers in a twist thinking they were trying to be disrespectful.
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    For anyone here who enjoys drafting, do you think it is worth putting Halana and Alena, Partners into an Orzhov Lifegain shell? I've got an Honored Heirloom and an Evolving Wilds to help fix my mana if I do. Only one Training creature, but Halana and Alena seem to be super good in limited.

    Alternatively, I could splash in a Markov Waltzer instead. Without H&A or the waltzer, I have one flier and two sorceries to deal with my opponent's fliers. I did manage to assemble the Bride's Gown & Groom's Finery combo though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RayGallade View Post
    For anyone here who enjoys drafting, do you think it is worth putting Halana and Alena, Partners into an Orzhov Lifegain shell? I've got an Honored Heirloom and an Evolving Wilds to help fix my mana if I do. Only one Training creature, but Halana and Alena seem to be super good in limited.

    Alternatively, I could splash in a Markov Waltzer instead. Without H&A or the waltzer, I have one flier and two sorceries to deal with my opponent's fliers. I did manage to assemble the Bride's Gown & Groom's Finery combo though.
    Probably a little late, but I can't see a double off colour splash ever being worth it. I'd even be hesitant on the waltzer. By way of comparison, yesterday I had a GW deck where I initially tried splashing Dorothea, Vengeful Victim (so needing a single blue mana) off an evolving wilds and three Islands. I somehow ended up with a couple of games where I drew 2 Islands before drawing any of one of my main colours, and never saw Dorothea. After that I went pure GW, and ended up 6-3 on the Arena draft.

    Obviously, these are likely exceptional draws, but with a double off colour splash you have a very high chance of finding yourself with the mana to play Haland and Alena, not having them in hand, and not being able to play the BW cards you do have!
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    Any parrticular reason for this apparent 180 in moral outlook?
    Its a return to a more natural state for me. When I was younger, I was more prone to help others more than myself, but having a disability, I was never valued by others. I had to compensate by becoming mean and scary and getting my needs met in unorthodox ways. Now that I've gotten into a more settled position though, I have started a movement to prevent others suffering as I have suffered, and I already have some followers.

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    We've got our first Neon Dynasty stuff! A teaser video and a story that's the background of Kaito, our new ninja planeswalker. I absolutely love the aesthetic of this set already; they did a good job making it cyberpunk, but still recognizably Kamigawa, especially in some of the pictures from the story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mythmonster2 View Post
    We've got our first Neon Dynasty stuff! A teaser video and a story that's the background of Kaito, our new ninja planeswalker. I absolutely love the aesthetic of this set already; they did a good job making it cyberpunk, but still recognizably Kamigawa, especially in some of the pictures from the story.
    I saw a few spoilers and Im still wary. Im sure that visually, there is going to be some awesome cards... but they dont the fantasy overral theme of MTG. Sure there was some steampunk things before but I dont think we ever had so much cyberpunk...

    But Im still somewhat excited.

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    Kaito is gay as **** and I love him so much. Bad hair cut imho but super adorkable.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Emmerlaus View Post
    I saw a few spoilers and Im still wary. Im sure that visually, there is going to be some awesome cards... but they dont the fantasy overral theme of MTG. Sure there was some steampunk things before but I dont think we ever had so much cyberpunk...

    But Im still somewhat excited.
    Mostly with Emmerlaus here. Don't particularly care much about cyber-techno punk aesthetics. And having the teaser focus on someone with a cyber raccoon mask really doesn't do much for me.

    But maybe some of the cards will be fun.

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    If it helps at all, the guy with the raccoon mask is Kaito, our protagonist for the set, and the mask is a kami familiar that has bonded with a prototype origami drone made by his potential boyfriend for the express purpose of bonding kami and machine. Which means it can turn into an actual raccoon, and likely other things, like a cool animal companion.

    Also, the plane isn't 100% neon cyberpunk aesthetic. There's more to it than just that, and I think you'll be able to learn to love, or at least tolerate, the glow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaZodiac View Post
    If it helps at all, the guy with the raccoon mask is Kaito, our protagonist for the set, and the mask is a kami familiar that has bonded with a prototype origami drone made by his potential boyfriend for the express purpose of bonding kami and machine. Which means it can turn into an actual raccoon, and likely other things, like a cool animal companion.

    Also, the plane isn't 100% neon cyberpunk aesthetic. There's more to it than just that, and I think you'll be able to learn to love, or at least tolerate, the glow.
    I tolerate it now. Itís just not my thing. And thatís fine. I just got my werewolves, and before that I had my knights. Itís not like I need to be in love with every set.

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    I tolerate it now. Itís just not my thing. And thatís fine. I just got my werewolves, and before that I had my knights. Itís not like I need to be in love with every set.
    *Makes a set with WG Werewolf Knights.* And this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jurai View Post
    *Makes a set with WG Werewolf Knights.* And this?
    Ah, the Powerwolf set. I'm in for this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mystic Muse View Post
    Ah, the Powerwolf set. I'm in for this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dienekes View Post
    I tolerate it now. Itís just not my thing. And thatís fine. I just got my werewolves, and before that I had my knights. Itís not like I need to be in love with every set.
    I love top-down designed sets, and I hope NEO is one of those. Naturally with that comes horrible balancing (I loved ELD, but I see what it did to the meta), but it feels so much more "vorthos-y" this way. (Just PLEASE, less parasitic gameplay ala Adventures)

    As for the cyberpunk aesthetic, I hope they can do the balancing act between modernity and still having the set being "somewhat" feeling like Magic. But honestly, after Godzilla promo, Stranger Things and even a LotR secret lair, I can't see anything really jarring with the mixture of themes. After all, Magic unites Steampunk, Magepunk, classic fantasy, grim fairy tales, Asian folklore, Russian, Mongolian and other history with magic and absolutely bonkers insane stories and ideas.

    Sure, let me have cyborg as a creature type, or make the graveyard a computer recycling bin. I don't care.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spore View Post
    (Just PLEASE, less parasitic gameplay ala Adventures)
    Wait how are adventures parasitic? You can add a card with adventure to any deck and itís perfectly functional.

    Edit: you meant Adventures into the Forgotten Realms didnít you? One somewhat parasitic mechanic per set seems the norm nowadays (Mutuate, Learn, Venture)
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    The final Kamigawa: Neon Dynasty story is up and!

    B o y.

    I'll have a better... run down of what all happens later, since I'm still getting through Innistrad due to various personal reasons delaying me from reading, but here are the relevant things.

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    3: Tamiyo gets dragged to New Phyrexia by Tezzeret, and thanks to some tech from Kamigawa is NOW A PLANESWALKER PHYREXIAN WHO KEPT HER SPARK ALSO JIN-GITAXIS HAS ALL HER IRON SCROLLS WHICH WE KNOW ARE VERY VERY BAD NEWS.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Giggling Ghast View Post
    Lot of black tears being shed for Tamiyo today.
    My favorite planeswalker...

    (I mean, it's actually a really cool idea, and I hope they'll execute on it well, but that was a bit hard to see in the spoilers)

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    Not reading the story, since most of it wont be used again for the next set. Maybe they are trying something for the long run though. The green one was in Kadlheim to become a god, now this one transformed a planeswalker and steal her dangerous scrolls... I wonder if the red one will be given a big power boost eventually. That would be fitting for the incoming mafia set.

    In any case, from the things spoilers so far, my favorite has to be Greater Tanuki. Perfect for my Alta Palani deck. Otherwise, I still like the Atsushi dragon and the mythic white planeswalker Empress (I know they put Emperor but thats a girl. Bite me.) bbut those last two probably going to be on the costly side so I wont buy them if its the case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Binks View Post
    My favorite planeswalker...

    (I mean, it's actually a really cool idea, and I hope they'll execute on it well, but that was a bit hard to see in the spoilers)
    A clearer look at the card is here.

    It honestly looks excellent, and that keyword makes it clear we're seeing this again.

    Quote Originally Posted by Emmerlaus View Post
    Not reading the story, since most of it wont be used again for the next set. Maybe they are trying something for the long run though. The green one was in Kadlheim to become a god, now this one transformed a planeswalker and steal her dangerous scrolls... I wonder if the red one will be given a big power boost eventually. That would be fitting for the incoming mafia set.

    In any case, from the things spoilers so far, my favorite has to be Greater Tanuki. Perfect for my Alta Palani deck. Otherwise, I still like the Atsushi dragon and the mythic white planeswalker Empress (I know they put Emperor but thats a girl. Bite me.) bbut those last two probably going to be on the costly side so I wont buy them if its the case.
    Not sure what you mean by that, since a lot of what has shown up in stories recently has had importance throughout all of it. We learn the Wanderer's identity as the Emperor (which is not a gendered term, so use the one they gave her. Chomp.) and she's likely to be a principle character given her revenge seeking against Tezzeret. The Reality Chip Tezzy boy steals is certainly to be important to.

    Vorenclex stole the Elixer from Kaldheim, but likely not for himself but for Elesh Norn. My best guess is Norn is planning on rising herself up to Phyrexian God status as the Mother of Machines. Last we saw of Urabrask (the red one) he was seemingly killed for defiance against the rest of the Praetors, so we're either getting a new red praetor or Urabrask will show up to help fight back.


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