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2021-05-23, 05:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Magic: The Gathering Thread XXV: 3 Vorthoses barely clinging to sanity and 45 Spi
Thats too vague of a question. Modern, in and of itself, is an extremely fast and competitive format, so cute ideas like that aren't viable. However, it all depends on who you'll be playing with.
As a general rule, the more permissive the format, the more broken your deck needs to be, and the sooner you need to lock / finish the game.
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2021-05-23, 05:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Magic: The Gathering Thread XXV: 3 Vorthoses barely clinging to sanity and 45 Spi
Like LansXero said, Modern as played in competitive is a very high-powered format; you have the potential to lose on turn 4 if you're not packing the right stuff. This just wouldn't cut it; you have a bunch of tiny 1/1s and no way to buff them until turn 3 at the earliest. However, there is a deck that does something similar with cheap creatures and buffing them up, called Bogles. Instead of flying, it has hexproof, and it uses Auras instead of +1/+1 counters. If you're not opposed to netdecking, this could be a similar playstyle that's much more viable. Of course, if you're just playing with some friends, a more casual deck is perfectly fine.
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2021-05-23, 09:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Magic: The Gathering Thread XXV: 3 Vorthoses barely clinging to sanity and 45 Spi
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2021-05-24, 12:15 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Magic: The Gathering Thread XXV: 3 Vorthoses barely clinging to sanity and 45 Spi
I will let you know right now, this deck will not work in anything resembling a Modern meta.
Spoiler: mono-red burn
Creatures
4x Monastery Swiftspear
4x Goblin Guide
4x Eidolon of the Great Revel
2x Chandra's incinerator
Spells
4x Lava Spike
4x Lightning Bolt
4x Skewer the Critics
4x Skullcrack
4X Rift Bolt
2x Searing Blaze
Enchantments
4x Seal of Fire
Lands
16x Mountain
4x Ramunap Ruins
This isn't an especially great version of burn, but can be built for ~$100. I'm not sure what your deck would be able to do about this one simply outrunning you.
If you want to get into Magic for less than $100, try to convince your store to run pauper, or commander. Any of the traditional 60 card formats will be basically impossible to get into cheaply.
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2021-05-24, 12:35 AM (ISO 8601)
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2021-05-24, 12:37 AM (ISO 8601)
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2021-05-24, 09:14 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Magic: The Gathering Thread XXV: 3 Vorthoses barely clinging to sanity and 45 Spi
That is, of course, if anybody plays that at his local store. Its not super niche but also not something you can just assume there will be.
Also:
Oubliette (~$20/copy)
Snow-covered island ($25/playset)
Lava Spike ($~12/playset)
Pyroblast (~$12/playset)
Battle screech (~$12/playset)
Standard bearer (~$5/playset)
Muldrifter (~$5/playset)
Moment’s peace ($7.5/playset)
Expedition Map ($10/playset)
Its not going to break the bank, but there are "expensive" thingies here and there
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2021-05-24, 09:41 AM (ISO 8601)
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2021-05-24, 10:24 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Magic: The Gathering Thread XXV: 3 Vorthoses barely clinging to sanity and 45 Spi
http://www.magicspoiler.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/Chatterfang-Squirrel-General-Modern-Horizons-2-Spoiler.png
WHY IN GOLGARI COLORS ?!?!
Sigh... Golgari get so much love already!
I would have LOVE a Grull color Legendary squirrel instead. How about every squirrels in play get haste and flying during your turn? To have a army of flying squirrels LOL
Still Im sure this card is going to be popular.Last edited by Emmerlaus; 2021-05-24 at 10:24 AM.
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2021-05-24, 12:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Magic: The Gathering Thread XXV: 3 Vorthoses barely clinging to sanity and 45 Spi
http://www.magicspoiler.com/mtg-set/modern-horizons-2/
Spoilers for Modern Horizon 2 started today, here's the link!
Emissiary of Serra sound fun!
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2021-05-24, 01:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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2021-05-24, 02:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Magic: The Gathering Thread XXV: 3 Vorthoses barely clinging to sanity and 45 Spi
No idea. I was just basing this off of some decks I saw online with the goal of keeping it at about $100. I'm actually not a big fan of burn, but it's an easy deck to build for Modern that you can keep relatively cheap, and you can be a little creative with some of the inclusions.
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2021-05-24, 03:24 PM (ISO 8601)
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2021-05-24, 03:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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2021-05-24, 03:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Magic: The Gathering Thread XXV: 3 Vorthoses barely clinging to sanity and 45 Spi
Honestly, mono red burn isn't the worst thing. Boros is definitely much better, but that's because Boros Charm, Lightning Helix, and white sideboard cards are all really great.
In my experience playing various burn strategies, Seal of Fire is only really good if you can recast it. I'd honestly give the edge to Light up the Stage, Flames of the Blood Hand, or Exquisite Firecraft. Other options would include Searing Blaze 3-4 and Grim Lavamancer.
That said, the majority of the cost of any Modern deck is usually the manabase and sideboard cards.Avatar courtesy of Ceika.
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2021-05-27, 05:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Magic: The Gathering Thread XXV: 3 Vorthoses barely clinging to sanity and 45 Spi
Stop using good evidence and logic that makes sense to refute points, that's my job
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2021-05-27, 06:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Magic: The Gathering Thread XXV: 3 Vorthoses barely clinging to sanity and 45 Spi
Only if you consider Unsanctioned formats not valid in Commander format. Considering that, their is ONE white squirrel in Ikoria. Therefore it would have being nice to make it white/green. I understand your point though but yeah, I would have hoped it was in Azban color at least.
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2021-05-28, 06:44 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Magic: The Gathering Thread XXV: 3 Vorthoses barely clinging to sanity and 45 Spi
Historically it seems there’s been more GU squirrel decks (competitively speaking).
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2021-05-28, 09:37 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Magic: The Gathering Thread XXV: 3 Vorthoses barely clinging to sanity and 45 Spi
That's almost certainly going to be exclusively because of Squirrel-Opp.
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2021-05-31, 10:44 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Magic: The Gathering Thread XXV: 3 Vorthoses barely clinging to sanity and 45 Spi
Stop using good evidence and logic that makes sense to refute points, that's my job
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2021-05-31, 04:30 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Magic: The Gathering Thread XXV: 3 Vorthoses barely clinging to sanity and 45 Spi
In black-border, the very few squirrel-related cards (except Helica Glider) had all been mono-green prior to this. I mean, there were a few colorless artifacts, but that doesn't make precedent for Golgari.
They are Golgari now though.Last edited by enderlord99; 2021-05-31 at 04:33 PM.
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2021-06-01, 01:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Magic: The Gathering Thread XXV: 3 Vorthoses barely clinging to sanity and 45 Spi
Fair, on the other hand, flavorfully they were always more B than any other non-green color, and while not black border legal, I would say that the un-squirrels at the very least set a design precedent. Plus, for those who DO allow Acornelia in Commander, making an entire subtheme of squirrels that for some reason veered off into a different color, and therefore was unplayable in her deck, would be infuriating. I was honestly pretty annoyed that they didn't make the first standard legal squirrel in forever white, because it wasn't really where they had ever been.
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2021-06-01, 02:24 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Magic: The Gathering Thread XXV: 3 Vorthoses barely clinging to sanity and 45 Spi
I've been doing some testing with Modern Naya Lurrus Burn with the addition of Flame Rift from MH2. I've only played with it about 10 matches or so, but it feels great as Boros Charm 5-8. Getting to cut Rift Bolt out of the 75 feels fantastic in a meta where it feels like 3feri is around any corner. It also makes my sideboarding plan easier against aggro as I can easily look to those as my first cuts. I don't know that I'm on the right 75 yet, but Flame Rift is definitely a step up for Burn.
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2021-06-04, 11:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Magic: The Gathering Thread XXV: 3 Vorthoses barely clinging to sanity and 45 Spi
Garth One-eye has replaced Growing Rites of Itlimoc as my favorite way R&D has gotten around the Reserve List by adding something.
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2021-06-05, 08:42 AM (ISO 8601)
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2021-06-06, 04:37 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Magic: The Gathering Thread XXV: 3 Vorthoses barely clinging to sanity and 45 Spi
What would be a good mana-cost and name for a black enchantment with "Whenever you gain 3 or more life at once, target opponent loses that much life and each other opponent loses 2 life"
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2021-06-07, 12:01 PM (ISO 8601)
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2021-06-07, 01:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Magic: The Gathering Thread XXV: 3 Vorthoses barely clinging to sanity and 45 Spi
It's a strictly better Sanguine Bond in any non-ping casers and should be costed at about that. Sure you don't get the trigger off of 1 life gain pings, but the extra damage is most likely worth it. I'd say 6 mana with double black is probably fine?
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2021-06-07, 03:43 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Magic: The Gathering Thread XXV: 3 Vorthoses barely clinging to sanity and 45 Spi
I'd actually say it's probably generally worse than Sanguine Bond, though this is coming from the perspective of someone who mostly plays 1v1. Lots of heavy life-gain strategies are built on blood artists and soul wardens, and this doesn't get those. I'd probably cost it closer to 1BBB or 4B, slightly easier or cheaper to cast than Sanguine Bond, but not much. I also second Thomas Cardew's suggestion of Zero Sum Game, which is much better than anything I had come up with.
As a point to templating, I would remove the "at once" and clarify that it only occurs if all of the life is gained as a single instance in reminder text.Stop using good evidence and logic that makes sense to refute points, that's my job
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2021-06-08, 12:40 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Magic: The Gathering Thread XXV: 3 Vorthoses barely clinging to sanity and 45 Spi
So Jumpstart is on arena again. And it is frankly insane to me how much more fun I'm having with this game mode than the usual Standard.