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3.5 Warlock/pew pew Alternative?
Looking for a class I can take a few levels in to get infinite attacks like a warlock that doesn't potentially damn my soul to the lowest pits of the Abyss.
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Refluff warlock to taste, there's plenty of precedent in later editions. God knows eldritch blast doesn't do enough damage to sell your soul for.
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First, you don't need to sell your soul as warlock. It's enough if an ancestor had a pact with an evil being of certain kind.
That being said, if you still look for alternatives, how about a Dragon Fire Adept?
Works also with Invocations as at will abilities. But instead of the Eldritch Blast ability you get a Breath ability. And your theme would be dragon obviously^^
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You already have infinite attacks. I presume what you mean is infinite ranged touch attacks- these can be gained with a single feat, Shape Soulmeld (Dissolving Spittle), or via a couple different items such as the Talon Scepter or Nightblade of Arvandor, but generally not with the range or untyped damage of Eldritch Blast.
If your DM requires a pact with supernatural entities to be a Warlock (despite the class's background actually even using the explicit phrase "born, not made"), then go make a pact with some Fey instead. They're also listed in the background section, "many warlocks are created by nonevil powers," and there's direct mechanical links with the Fey Heritage feats in Complete Mage.Fizban's Tweaks and Brew: Google Drive (PDF), Thread
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Take a level of enlightened spirit on your warlock?
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Binders get powers that recharge after some turns, ditto Dragon Shamans and their breath attacks.
The Tome of Battle classes can replenish their maneuvers, so they can go all day
The incarnum classes can use their veils all day
Dread Necromancers have a touch attack that is usable all day.
Spellcasters can use reserve feats, which aren't as good as spells but have the benefit of being usable all day assuming you still qualify. For example, summoning a small elemental if you can cast a 4th level summoning spell.
You didn't specify 1pp, though, so I assume that's what you're looking for.
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Cleric 5 could persist a (rod) maximized darkfire with caster boosters for a reasonably healthy (30/hit) pew-pew attack which plausibly has iteratives.
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There's some kind of ritual or the like in forgotten realms book that gives you a ranged ability similar to eldritch blast, it scales with HD I think and costs experience to acquire but I forgot the name.
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Stereotype much? Warlocks can make pacts with all kinds of non-evil entities including fey, genies, elementals, and even celestials. Even with the alignment restriction, they can still be CG. Why not just make a pact with an eladrin or a couatl or something?
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Easy at-will scaling magical ranged attacks include:
- CG Warlock
- NG/LN/CN Incarnate
- Any Dragonfire Adept
- Any Dragon Shaman (recharge)
- Any Totemist (+specific melds e.g. Manticore Belt)
- Any Binder (Focalor, Otiax etc)
- {insert spellcaster} + Reserve Feats
- {insert manifester} + recharge tricks
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The range isn't as good, but dragonfire adepts are basically warlocks who get their powers from being related to dragons and trade their blast for a breath weapon.
Personally I'd take AoE over range any day, anyone can just get a ranged weapon, but good AoE damage is usually the sole purview of spells.
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You are apparently thinking of the spellfire feat which allows one to absorb spell energy to blast and heal.
There's also a prestige class linked.
But it's only conditionally an all day thing- it requires spell energy to consume. So if your enemies or allies stop helping you out, you are done for the day.
So it's similar to the spellthief in that regard.
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It wasn't spellfire, but the ritual of dark flames by being a member of the church of cyric (lords of darkness). I went looking for it today but it's not exactly as I remembered it.. 1d6/HD which is great, but range is 10 feet only and needs some way to deal with 2 wisdom damage per use. Supernatural tho. Looking at the other ones, ritual of shadowwalking seems interesting too.
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If you want a spam-able gun-spell that's more or less 5e cantrips, look into Reserve Feats: Acidic Splatter, Fiery Burst or Invisible Needle seem to be the feats that do exactly what you're looking for.
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You can get a 10 foot ranged touch attack that does 1d6 negative energy per character level, with the Ritual of Dark Flames (Lords of Darkness, p.11). Downside is you take 2 Wis damage each time you use it, so you may want a level of Binder, or that Soul Meld that helps with ability damage.
The ritual itself costs 100gp and 1200xp.
Always been interested in Doing a Binder 1/Rogue 19 (or similar) build, and then sneak attacking with the black flames using a ranged touch.
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I mean, if OP wanted to avoid the Warlock class because he was worried about even appearing evil, I don't think joining the Church of Cyric would be a viable alternative
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There are plenty of reserve spell feats that let you deal damage every turn as long as you hold back a spell. The acid one is my favorite.
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I mean, the fluff says the ritual was developed by the church of Cyric - it doesn't say that others outside the church haven't learned it since.
If you really wanted it, maybe you find a disgruntled ex-Cyric worshipper and learn it from them. Or some kind of quest to find an obscure scroll or tome that details the ritual, and learn it for yourself?
Personally I think the ritual is a great "Eldritch Blast type attack without being a Warlock" option. Doesn't even cost you class levels or feats.Last edited by Thurbane; 2021-04-14 at 04:56 PM.
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The OP is fine with costing class levels, the goal is "infinite attacks," which with the wisdom damage this isn't.
Yes, veils could alleviate it- but if the OP goes incarnum than infinite attacks are already had, making the ritual superflous.
And if being beholden to dark powers is too hardcore an option, the curse of undeath is certainly off the table as an acceptable choice.
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I've also always wanted to use it (seems like a decent way to get a backup at-will attack on a shadowcaster), but 10 ft is a ridiculously short range.
Especially considering that, as a ranged attack, it provokes, so under many circumstances you have to be EXACTLY 10 ft away from the target to use it "safely" (assuming the target has a 5 ft reach), which makes it basically a weird longspear. (Something something eldritch glaive something something.) Just kind of weird considering I always want to staple it onto caster-types who aren't especially durable at that range under normal circumstances.In the Beginning Was the Word, and the Word Was Suck: A Guide to Truenamers
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The option's pretty terrible, but Soulknife/Soulbow technically does what you're asking.
Hank's Energy Bow gives you the thematics without even needing any levels, just some GP investment.
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Yes, why I didn't mention the Eidolon class from Ghostwalk.
While they can fly around intangible and do touch attacks all day, the damage is minimal.
An Eidolancer with some reserve feats would seem more appropriate for what the OP is looking for.
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While Eidolancer is technically a base class, it advances the spellcasting of another spellcasting class.
So you can use it to be a ghost wizard, or cleric, or sorcerer, etc.
So you would have the same access to reserve feats as any other caster.
But you would also have access to ghost feats, which gives more options.
Like giving out negative levels with enervating touch.
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