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2021-04-25, 02:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Why dose the forum seem to think Thor is CG?
Oh, I fully agree. But if we can safely rule out Lawful, then we can make an easier case for either Neutral or Chaotic.
Assuming that A.) Durkon has theeadership feat, 2.) that she is a cohort, and iii.) that the strict RAW concerning leadership and cohort are both followed to the letter. Each of which is iffy in its own, much less together.Cuthalion's art is the prettiest art of all the art. Like my avatar.
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2021-04-25, 03:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Why dose the forum seem to think Thor is CG?
I doubt Minrah would be restricted by the rules of a cohort (unless the Giant said it?). She joined the party when Durkon was away, so she's probably not a cohort of Durkon. And she definitely does not behave as a cohort of anyone else. IMO, it's more likely to be just an additional PC to the group rule-wise.
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2021-04-25, 04:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Why dose the forum seem to think Thor is CG?
Little to nothing, I'll grant, but that doesn't really answer my question. I'm not asking why Thor isn't considered lawful, but why he's near-universally assumed to be chaotic. Honestly, I see him as Neutral Good myself, using or finessing rules as needed to achieve altruistic ends, but the point is that we're a long way from conclusive evidence one way or another, and yet the question is often treated as if it has a conclusive answer.
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2021-04-25, 08:30 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Why dose the forum seem to think Thor is CG?
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2021-04-29, 08:31 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Why dose the forum seem to think Thor is CG?
Thor to Minrah:
"You do you."
Absolute proof that both Thor and Minrah are Chaotic. Support for individualism over societal expectations is what Chaotic is all about. If Thor were Neutral he would have said "I forgive your transgressions," as opposed to his implication that they simply didn't matter.
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2021-04-29, 08:34 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Why dose the forum seem to think Thor is CG?
Those discussions do have a way of highlighting how incredibly vague and purposeless the law/chaos axis is.
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2021-04-29, 08:50 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Why dose the forum seem to think Thor is CG?
Avatar by linklele. How Teleport Worksa. Malifice (paraphrased):
Rulings are not 'House Rules.' Rulings are a DM doing what DMs are supposed to do.
b. greenstone (paraphrased):
Agency means that they {players} control their character's actions; you control the world's reactions to the character's actions.
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2021-04-29, 07:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Why dose the forum seem to think Thor is CG?
"That's a horrible idea! What time?"
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2021-04-30, 02:30 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Why dose the forum seem to think Thor is CG?
While there's a part of me who wants to think Thor is Neutral to be closer to Durkon's stated alignment, I have to agree that all his actions we've seen seem far more Chaotic than anything else. He bends rules whenever he wants to help his cause. He avoids giving orders to Durkon before he's sure it's what he wants. He seems entirely cool with whatever Micah was talking about, in a very "I'm not gonna let technicalities stand in my way." way. Add that to his early, obviously chaotic appearances, and I say the evidence is pretty strong.
Of course, as others are saying, alignment charts are silly and worrying about them too much is gonna drive you crazy.
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2021-04-30, 04:58 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Why dose the forum seem to think Thor is CG?
He just seems Chaotic. His whole tal about the God rules, and his willingness to break them the instant he gets a small excuse, gives off the vibe of "Chaotic Good person accepting the rules are necessary, but not liking it". After all, if a Lawful Good can acknowledge when a law is bad, it logically implies the converse, that a Chaotic Good can acknowledge when a law is good.
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2021-05-03, 10:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Why dose the forum seem to think Thor is CG?
The tv tropes page and the level fourm post both call her a cohort, I think the Giant said it in the commentary for Utterly Dwarfed.
What Thor says would not prove anything about Minrah. I would not call it absolute proof either. It seems like a very Lawful way to look at Chaos. We can ascertain that you do you is not freedom to do anything. Thor would not be okay if she wanted to commit evil actions, or something that would cause someone else to suffer. Whatever Minrah was worried about is not something Thor has made taboo.(chaotic, Neutral and Lawful gods can all ban things) From Dwarfs being often Lawful good in the MM and from how open Ma Thundershield was we can guess it is not sexuality. The dwarfs seem to be miles ahead of earth humans on that front.
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2021-05-04, 01:39 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Why dose the forum seem to think Thor is CG?
The exact comment on Minrah in the Utterly Dwarfed commentary is:
It would be wrong to say she’ll be a full-fledged member of the party, though; she’s more like Durkon’s cohort, to use a game term.
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2021-05-04, 02:17 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Why dose the forum seem to think Thor is CG?
I can't see Minrah as anything but lawful good. Where do you get the chaotic thing from?
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2021-05-04, 03:10 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Why dose the forum seem to think Thor is CG?
Personally, I just find the idea of a chaotic Thor creating the super lawful and honor bound dwarven society to be funny. That's enough reason for me.
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2021-05-04, 03:15 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Why dose the forum seem to think Thor is CG?
Because it's funny and I like the idea.
Also, he used a lightning bolt to kill a bunch of trees... by hitting them with the sonic boom.
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2021-05-05, 10:33 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Why dose the forum seem to think Thor is CG?
Amongst other things, his souls go to Valhalla which - per Word of Giant - is designed to turn every soul there into a perfect battery of CG-ness. One would think that a Lawful god would want his souls less chaotic.
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2021-05-05, 10:47 AM (ISO 8601)
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2021-05-05, 11:55 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Why dose the forum seem to think Thor is CG?
Because everything we've seen about her personality and he choices she makes shows she defies societal and cultural expectations in favor of her personal beliefs about what's right, and she encourages others to do the same?
Seriously, I don't understand how anyone can see her as a lawful character once you get away from the "Dwarves must be default Lawful" thing.Some people think that Chaotic Neutral is the alignment of the insane, but the enlightened know that Chaotic Neutral is the only alignment without illusions of sanity.
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2021-05-05, 01:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Why dose the forum seem to think Thor is CG?
Avatar by linklele. How Teleport Worksa. Malifice (paraphrased):
Rulings are not 'House Rules.' Rulings are a DM doing what DMs are supposed to do.
b. greenstone (paraphrased):
Agency means that they {players} control their character's actions; you control the world's reactions to the character's actions.
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2021-05-05, 03:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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2021-05-05, 04:40 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Why dose the forum seem to think Thor is CG?
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2021-05-05, 05:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Why dose the forum seem to think Thor is CG?
That's a very exaggerated take away from that pep talk.
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2021-05-10, 09:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Why dose the forum seem to think Thor is CG?
Yeah, that's a "Be true to yourself speech" which is not really alignment specific. As she has even unintentionally referenced, she only knows Belkar after he started faking his character growth. She's not defying social and cultural expectations, she's defying people's opinion of her which is an entirely different thing.
If Minrah came from a place where everyone in her clan was expected to be guards and it's a big deal if they aren't, that's defying expectations. But that's not what is happening. It sounds like people told her "Hey, you don't really seem cut out to be a cleric", which is entirely different."That's a horrible idea! What time?"
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2021-05-12, 09:51 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Why dose the forum seem to think Thor is CG?
As the how a Chaotic Good Deity can patron Lawful Good Characters has been fairly well handled, let me help you with the best answer for why Thor is Chaotic by his very nature.
Thor is the embodiment of the power and behavior of the Weather (and Storms most specifically), and there is no order, only chaos, in how the weather behaves.
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2021-05-12, 11:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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2021-05-13, 02:30 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Why dose the forum seem to think Thor is CG?
To answer the question, I simply direct your attention to the last panel of #201. I'm not going to bother linking it, if you care enough to look, you can access it via the archive.
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2021-05-13, 06:22 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Why dose the forum seem to think Thor is CG?
Where do you get the lawful thing?
Her plan to hide, opening the doors to make a "double bluff" isn't something very lawful, that's something totally "rogue", Haley's territory. Durkon was going to just hide and nothing more, couse lawful thinks "simpler" in that kind of matters.
Minrah is chaotic good or neutral good.
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2021-05-13, 07:30 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Why dose the forum seem to think Thor is CG?
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2021-05-13, 05:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Why dose the forum seem to think Thor is CG?
Valhalla is also Odin hall, Just cause he lives with his dad is no reason he has to be his fathers alignment, and Odin is the god of frenzy (amongst other things).
Also again I am not saying that Thor is Lawful. I am strong on team Neutral.
Weather has an order to how it works.
Weather would be a strong pull towards neutral. Nature is a neutral force. Druids need to be one step of neutral and animals are true neutral( or unaligned).
Agreed, also we saw a Lawful person use a double bluff in the comic. Redcloak with the Xykon shell game.I should get a Signature
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2021-06-01, 05:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Why dose the forum seem to think Thor is CG?
I always thought Thor being CG/NG-leaning-CG was just too heavily implied by the way he acts basically all the time except in time critical or very serious situations, his advice to his clerics, and the fact that Hel was completely blindsided and outraged at the fact that he went behind her back and built an entire society of honorbound lawful fanatics just to stymie the curse he was tricked into inflicting on them