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    Question [3.5] Per Encounter Abilities

    I fell like I've started this before, but it would be far too old to resurrect...

    So, ToB is probably the most well known source of classes with "per encounter" abilities, but I was was wondering what other sources there are, especially in books released before ToB.

    Barbarian Rage is a per encounter ability from memory (as well as daily restrictions).

    Factotum and Inspiration (although I'm pretty sure that came after ToB).

    What else is out there?

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    • Barbarian - Rage [most Rage based classes also work the same way]
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    Am I remembering that Skill Tricks were per encounter?
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    They are. As are certain Soulmelds from MoI

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    Default Re: [3.5] Per Encounter Abilities

    The binder has powers per five rounds. Not exactly per encounter, but not quite spammable, either.

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    Abilities which are 1/hour (etc.) are effectively 1/encounter.
    π = 4
    Consider a 5' radius blast: this affects 4 squares which have a circumference of 40' — Actually it's worse than that.


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    Iaijutsu duel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aracor View Post
    The binder has powers per five rounds. Not exactly per encounter, but not quite spammable, either.
    Quote Originally Posted by nedz View Post
    Abilities which are 1/hour (etc.) are effectively 1/encounter.
    Thanks, and good points, but specifically looking for abilities that specify "per encounter" usage.

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    Default Re: [3.5] Per Encounter Abilities

    Most ToB abilities are not per encounter, they are refreshable using a recovery mechanism.
    There are a few which are: e.g. manoeuvres gained via Martial Study before you have a recovery mechanism.
    π = 4
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    Archivist's dark knowledge is effectively 1/encounter since it's once per creature.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nedz View Post
    Most ToB abilities are not per encounter, they are refreshable using a recovery mechanism.
    There are a few which are: e.g. manoeuvres gained via Martial Study before you have a recovery mechanism.
    indeed. A warblade can theoretically use its maneuvers every other turn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Remuko View Post
    indeed. A warblade can theoretically use its maneuvers every other turn.
    They can use them every turn. You can use a swift action when you make a melee attack or a standard action if you don't want to or can't make a melee attack. 2 level dip in BSB gives you increased number of scenarios where you can use the swift action.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darg View Post
    They can use them every turn. You can use a swift action when you make a melee attack or a standard action if you don't want to or can't make a melee attack. 2 level dip in BSB gives you increased number of scenarios where you can use the swift action.
    Not quite. You can't recover your maneuvers in a turn in which you used one, so even if you've got your swift action free you still have to have an off-turn to recover your maneuvers. So, once every 2 turns for using the same maneuver, at best.

    If you're using White Raven Tactics on yourself, you could actually take both of those turns back-to-back in the same round, letting you use the same standard action maneuver every single round, but it's still technically every two turns; you're just breaking the action economy.
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    You could use swift-action boost (like Sudden Jump) every turn. It would be pointless, but you could do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChudoJogurt View Post
    You could use swift-action boost (like Sudden Jump) every turn. It would be pointless, but you could do it.
    Warblade recovery is a swift action.
    π = 4
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    Quote Originally Posted by nedz View Post
    Warblade recovery is a swift action.
    Swift as part of a melee attack. Standard if you don't want or can't attack. So technically you could continually use swifts.

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    Question Re: [3.5] Per Encounter Abilities

    Long story short, I was wrong to categorize martial adept abilities as "per encounter"?

    Only when you gain a maneuver by a feat it becomes per encounter, correct?

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    You aren't wrong. The book calls them per encounter too. The martial adepts simply have unique ways of recovering them earlier.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darg View Post
    Swift as part of a melee attack. Standard if you don't want or can't attack. So technically you could continually use swifts.
    It's a swift plus a standard.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thurbane View Post
    Only when you gain a maneuver by a feat it becomes per encounter, correct?
    Yeah, I'd say maneuvers without martial adept levels.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elves View Post
    It's a swift plus a standard.
    Ok I see it. The word wrap got me to ignore the sentence structure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thurbane View Post
    Long story short, I was wrong to categorize martial adept abilities as "per encounter"?

    Only when you gain a maneuver by a feat it becomes per encounter, correct?
    Martial study is complex. If you use it to acquire a manoeuvre when you don't have an initiator class then yes; however if you have levels in an initiator class then no.
    π = 4
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    Default Re: [3.5] Per Encounter Abilities

    If you want to get real technical and have some kind of absurd battle that is both manages to go on long enough yet have a full minute of essentially down time for a martial adept to not attack, initiate, or be targeted, then the technical proper answer is that they are one per minute of an encounter or per encounter.

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    Default Re: [3.5] Per Encounter Abilities

    Combat focus can only be gained once per encounter (specifically the first time you make a successful attack during an encounter) which makes combat strike once per encounter since it spends the focus.

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    Default Re: [3.5] Per Encounter Abilities

    Mad foam rager can be used once per rage which is only once per encounter.

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