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    confused Why didn't Durkon manage to cast neutralize poison on Roy?

    It seems like there was at least one full turn after blinky raised the anti magic field. V got to fly and shoot prismatic spray, Haley shot a number of arrows, Belkar got his lizard out and shot a dagger up, and blinky even made a full pursuit of V before turning and blasting everyone (which must have been in its next turn).

    Durkon already had his magic ready and burning and had at least one full turn to cast it - so why Roy is still with the green poison bubbles? I assume that Elan cast something else, maybe some healing spell or something we're not aware of. Elan could also cast neutralize poison so even if Durkon didn't have it prepared, Elan could have cast it.

    This seemed like their #1 priority so it's not like they decided to do it, they were foiled - but how?

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    Default Re: Why didn't Durkon manage to cast neutralize poison on Roy?

    Hmm. I was going to say he did and the green bubbles around Roy's head could be attributed to the damage already done (since Neutralize Poison doesn't undo that), but that's not consistent with last time we saw Neutralize Poison. Maybe there was a more urgent spell Durkon needed to cast first? Maybe Roy was at -9 HP, and therefore needed a Cure Wounds spell more than he needed Neutralize Poison?

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    Default Re: Why didn't Durkon manage to cast neutralize poison on Roy?

    There's no guarantee Durkon even had the spell prepared.

    That said, it also looks like his spell was interrupted when he was hit by Sunny's ray; I suspect he was opting for something more powerful (Heal or Restoration, say) but the issue is moot because he never got the spell off in the first place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Justyz View Post
    It seems like there was at least one full turn after blinky raised the anti magic field. V got to fly and shoot prismatic spray, Haley shot a number of arrows, Belkar got his lizard out and shot a dagger up, and blinky even made a full pursuit of V before turning and blasting everyone (which must have been in its next turn).

    Durkon already had his magic ready and burning and had at least one full turn to cast it - so why Roy is still with the green poison bubbles? I assume that Elan cast something else, maybe some healing spell or something we're not aware of. Elan could also cast neutralize poison so even if Durkon didn't have it prepared, Elan could have cast it.

    This seemed like their #1 priority so it's not like they decided to do it, they were foiled - but how?
    I'm assuming he did, but got interrupted?
    Or maybe Durkon hit Roy with Neutralize but Rich left the bubbles in by mistake; maybe the bubbles are still there because it was still in effect, and Durkon was going for a Restoration to heal it or something?
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    Default Re: Why didn't Durkon manage to cast neutralize poison on Roy?

    Maybe Sunny's initiative roll was lower than Vaarsuvius's, but higher than Durkon's. That would explain why V had time to cast Prismatic Spray, but Durkon didn't have time to cast anything.

    Restoration takes 3 rounds to cast, so if Durkon's casting that, that would explain why he was interrupted. But while Restoration reverses many effects poison can have, it doesn't neutralize the poison. Surely it would make sense to stop the poison before casting Restoration?
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    Default Re: Why didn't Durkon manage to cast neutralize poison on Roy?

    This has been annoying me too.

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    Default Re: Why didn't Durkon manage to cast neutralize poison on Roy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Justyz View Post
    It seems like there was at least one full turn after blinky raised the anti magic field. V got to fly and shoot prismatic spray, Haley shot a number of arrows, Belkar got his lizard out and shot a dagger up, and blinky even made a full pursuit of V before turning and blasting everyone (which must have been in its next turn).
    Maybe it is a single turn, and Sunny rolled higher initiative. Following V around and turning upside-down may count as combat movements, and then her only combat action is the multi-eye blast.

    Halley throwing two rounds of arrows is something she can do in a single turn, right? With SNEAK ATTACK and all that.

    Also, it looks like the anti-magic field does not dispell magic, it merely supresses it; both V's fly spell and light sphere have returned as soon as they're out of the anti-magic cone.

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    Default Re: Why didn't Durkon manage to cast neutralize poison on Roy?

    There was no fizzle! sound in the strip so I think Durkon was not interrupted. Perhaps he did not cast Neutralize poison (why bother preparing it anyway, when your Bard has it on his list?) but something else like Cure Some Wounds.
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    Default Re: Why didn't Durkon manage to cast neutralize poison on Roy?

    Quote Originally Posted by ORione View Post
    Maybe Roy was at -9 HP, and therefore needed a Cure Wounds spell more than he needed Neutralize Poison?
    I think Roy was only hit once today. Even if that was a sneak attack Roy should should still have plenty of hitpoints.
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    Default Re: Why didn't Durkon manage to cast neutralize poison on Roy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Justyz View Post
    It seems like there was at least one full turn after blinky raised the anti magic field. V got to fly and shoot prismatic spray, Haley shot a number of arrows, Belkar got his lizard out and shot a dagger up, and blinky even made a full pursuit of V before turning and blasting everyone (which must have been in its next turn).

    Durkon already had his magic ready and burning and had at least one full turn to cast it - so why Roy is still with the green poison bubbles? I assume that Elan cast something else, maybe some healing spell or something we're not aware of. Elan could also cast neutralize poison so even if Durkon didn't have it prepared, Elan could have cast it.

    This seemed like their #1 priority so it's not like they decided to do it, they were foiled - but how?
    To me, it looks like Durkon got interrupted right before he managed to touch Roy, thus leaving the poison intact.

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    Default Re: Why didn't Durkon manage to cast neutralize poison on Roy?

    Quote Originally Posted by WanderingMist View Post
    To me, it looks like Durkon got interrupted right before he managed to touch Roy, thus leaving the poison intact.
    Nah, Durkon had plenty of time, and no fizzle. Is there some kind of poison that's beyond his ability to negate in D&D? I gotta say I know very little about poison types.

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    Default Re: Why didn't Durkon manage to cast neutralize poison on Roy?

    Rolled low on intitative, got interrupted by Sunny.

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    Default Re: Why didn't Durkon manage to cast neutralize poison on Roy?

    I suspect Durkon chose to cast restoration rather than neutralize poison, and was interrupted by Sunny's eye beam. Why would he do this? To get Roy back in the fight as soon as possible. Poison's secondary damage takes effect a minute after the initial damage, so depending on how long it's been since Roy was poisoned, he'd be able to act for 3 to 6 rounds before the secondary damage. There's no guarantee it will be as debilitating as the initial damage was, and even if it was, a lot can happen in 3 to 6 rounds.
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    Default Re: Why didn't Durkon manage to cast neutralize poison on Roy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Havran View Post
    There was no fizzle! sound in the strip so I think Durkon was not interrupted. Perhaps he did not cast Neutralize poison (why bother preparing it anyway, when your Bard has it on his list?) but something else like Cure Some Wounds.
    Unfortunately, when your Bard is Elan, it looks as if all he did with his turn was fire up his magic glow so he could admire it lol.

    Quote Originally Posted by TuringTest View Post
    Also, it looks like the anti-magic field does not dispell magic, it merely supresses it; both V's fly spell and light sphere have returned as soon as they're out of the anti-magic cone.
    If it just suppressed magic then I wonder why Elan didn't end up unable to move again.
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    Default Re: Why didn't Durkon manage to cast neutralize poison on Roy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Charity322 View Post
    If it just suppressed magic then I wonder why Elan didn't end up unable to move again.
    He was held in place by Sunnys telekinesis Eye stalk. Assuming Elan weighs less than the limit (think its 325lbs) then being held down is as easy as bring picked up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Justyz View Post
    Belkar got his lizard out and shot a dagger up
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    Quote Originally Posted by mjasghar View Post
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