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2021-05-03, 08:47 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Fridge logic: why life must be unfair to goblins.
Which is the whole point of surprise attacks in whole history.
Rome was way stronger and had way more men -theoretically- to fight than Spartacus or Hannibal ever dreamed of (and indeed, when they left to Rome the time to organize itself, Rome crushed them).
But, as good generals, they managed to hide their movements and win some battles (if Rome wasn't already immense, by the time it was in war against Spartacus and Hannibal, and hadn't almost limitless reserves, Rome would have been another Azure City, beaten by a good -but not magic- general).
If we want, we can cite II WW attacks of Germans to France and of Japan to USA, but the point wouldn't change.
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2021-05-03, 08:55 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Fridge logic: why life must be unfair to goblins.
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2021-05-03, 09:27 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Fridge logic: why life must be unfair to goblins.
Dr.Zero, you're underselling the degree to which Redcloak and Xykon achieved strategic surprise. It's not comparable to any of the historical examples you're thinking of. They managed to keep their army undetected until the day before it arrived at the gates of the capital city, long after hostilities had actually started. That's not merely catching an enemy army in an ambush or attacking at an unexpected point of the front. It goes waaaaay beyond that.
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2021-05-03, 09:29 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Fridge logic: why life must be unfair to goblins.
Agreed: the Titanium Elementals made a HUGE difference. The hole they punched in the wall is the hole through which the entire hobgoblin army charged! Without that supernatural damage to the walls, the battle would have been remarkably different.
Between that, the ambush of every early-warning beacon, and the threat of Xykon keeping the entire Sapphire Guard in the throne room away from the battle, the hobgoblins would not have stood a snowball's chance in the Nine Hells without X & RC at the helm.
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2021-05-03, 11:12 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Fridge logic: why life must be unfair to goblins.
Well, Hannibal actually managing to hide almost his whole army is something well comparable, I'd say.
We want to talk about first, sudden strikes? Germans attacking France, in II WW, France surrendered shortly. Japan attacking Pearl Harbor, USA was ridden off from the Pacific for a while (and could return only because, well, its production centers were way away, in a safe and rich land).
Plenty of example.
I'm not saying RC hadn't a weight on it, the contrary: he was the chief general, the chief of intelligence service, and whatnot. And did a great job.
I'm saying this is what a good leader is supposed to do.
And Azurites had Shojo, for a while, who managed to keep theRoman Empirethe Azurites unified without their internal disputes blowing the whole thing off.
I don't see why everyone gives for granted that humans must have good leaders and goblinoids, apparently, shouldn't.
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2021-05-03, 11:20 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Fridge logic: why life must be unfair to goblins.
To compare the Azurite-Hobgoblin war to a real life war, one must imagine that the invading army was able to mobilize its forces and bring its army to the doorstep of the enemy capital (where half of the population lives) not only before the enemy knows there is a war going on but before they know the army even existed or could exist. There are probably some examples like that in history, but I can't think of any off the top of my head.
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2021-05-03, 11:21 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Fridge logic: why life must be unfair to goblins.
It's not comparable. The Romans knew the Carthaginian army was somewhere near, the French knew the Germans were attacking, they just failed to identify the main thrust in time to close the gap, the US learned about the Japanese attack immediately after it happened (and had been in high alert long before that). By contrast, Redcloak and Xykon took the Azurite border forts and outposts, including the country's second largest settlement, and their attack still remained undetected for the approximately one week it took them to reach the capital.
So no, I don't think it's the same, or within the realm of what standard good leadership could accomplish. They needed powerful outside forces to pull it off and they'd never have been able to do it on their own.ungelic is us
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2021-05-05, 11:13 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Fridge logic: why life must be unfair to goblins.
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2021-07-26, 11:28 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Fridge logic: why life must be unfair to goblins.
I'm seeing a lot of orange faces around the keep here? Where are you getting this idea of disproportionate azurite casualties?
XP is training, in a certain sense, and magic items and the like are a form of resources (or can be traded for them.) Certainly things like food, timber, and metals are useful for supporting a large population and/or army.
A lot of this is accurate, though there are points I could quibble with (the regions of our world with the highest levels of tech innovation have often had pretty high population densities, partly because tech innovation in fields like agriculture and sanitation actually allow you to support larger populations, and all else equal having more people means more overall brain power can be harnessed as well as greater potential for skill specialisation. Hunter-gatherer societies with low population densities are not known for their blazingly rapid technological progress.)
But yeah, unless you can find some way to strenuously regulate goblin birthrates they're gonna be stuck in a malthusian hellworld pretty much regardless of whatever other concessions they can grab in terms of land and legal status, which also tends to make them pretty dangerous neighbours. They may have the reproductive strategy of rabbits, but rabbits don't grab pikes and swords as a solution to their problems. Goblins do.Give directly to the extreme poor.
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2021-07-26, 12:09 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Fridge logic: why life must be unfair to goblins.
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2021-07-26, 07:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Fridge logic: why life must be unfair to goblins.
The Mod on the Silver Mountain: Necromancy is also unfair to goblins.
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