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Thread: energy drain(ED)
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2021-05-03, 04:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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energy drain(ED)
So for the longest time i lamented the fact that immunity to "energy drain" only worked against like... vampires slams and wight tickles. Y'know, energy drain attacks. I then found wizards' glossary archive entry on "energy drained" that i followed to the DMG. All the times before i've only ever seen "energy drain" described as an attack form in the mm, but then i found the conditions list in the dmg and it seems as if there's more to the story;
Energy Drained Condition:
Originally Posted by dmg guide pg 300
This extra bit of looking has swayed me to believe that now, if you're immune to energy drain, you should be able to pick up something that would otherwise give you a negative level without worry. I also don't think the "which might permanently drain" part means that the negative level gained must present that danger, just that gaining a negative level in general sometimes does thatLast edited by Raishoiken; 2021-05-03 at 04:44 PM.
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2021-05-03, 06:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: energy drain(ED)
Yes, energy drained condition is what happens when a character receives negative levels that have a chance to become permanent.
Something like enervation or utterdark blast does not confer the energy drained condition.
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2021-05-03, 06:20 PM (ISO 8601)
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2021-05-03, 06:31 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: energy drain(ED)
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2021-05-03, 07:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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2021-05-03, 08:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: energy drain(ED)
It is what it says: "The character gains one or more negative levels, which might permanently drain the character’s levels." Otherwise the only appropriate conclusion is that it is simply the condition conferred upon a creature by the ability "Energy Drain."
Originally Posted by PHB
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2021-05-03, 08:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: energy drain(ED)
As adventurers gain levels, the risk of ED becomes increasingly high. 80% of adventurers 15th level and higher say they've suffered from ED at least once.
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2021-05-03, 09:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: energy drain(ED)
I may just be nit picking but the way it's worded:
A:The character gains one or more negative levels, [B]which might permanently drain the character’s levels
B:The character gains one or more negative levels that have a chance to/may permanently drain the character's levels
The B phrasing seems closer to something that is saying that the negative levels must have that extra threat of permanent loss to me.
I could just be trippin, though
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2021-05-03, 09:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: energy drain(ED)
The actual issue is using the definition of a condition that isn't referenced by anything. Nothing says you have been energy drained other than the action of being the victim of an energy drain. Feel free to rule how you want. RAW is quite vague on the interaction.
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2021-05-04, 08:37 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: energy drain(ED)
There are examples of negative levels that do not threaten permanent level loss.
Originally Posted by Fell Drain
I have a question(s) about level loss.
Do energy drain, and negative levels affect creatures without class levels? Do the two work exactly the same?
Monster hit die? Racial hit die? I know that some things are totally immune to negative energy, or even benefit from it(?).Last edited by bean illus; 2021-05-04 at 09:41 PM.
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2021-05-04, 09:49 AM (ISO 8601)
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2021-05-04, 09:24 PM (ISO 8601)
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2021-05-04, 10:09 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: energy drain(ED)
It could, but it doesn't say it directly if so. Off the top of my head, the only ways to get negative levels is through negative energy effects or the energy drain ability. RAW doesn't say what causes the condition. So there really isn't an answer one way or the other.