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2021-06-07, 02:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Things I May No Longer Do While Playing 13: This Is A Banned List Not A Drinking
Spoiler: UV and Infrared Ring Tanget
The Ultraviolet ring is apparently based on ambient negative emotional energy such the hateful, self-destructive, and primeval parts of someone. so basically, its the Edgelord Ring
while the Infrared ring hasn't been introduced yet, but DC is intending to make one just like ultraviolet.
*may not be an "X-Ray Lantern" What would that emotion even be?
** X-Ray Lantern emotions may not be any of the following: "Hunger", "Arousal", "Confusion", "Melancholy", "Stoicism", "Serenity", "Spite", "Naughtiness", "Humor", or "Annoyance"
*** May not instead make the Microwave Lanterns the "Hunger" emotion
**** There is no Lantern Ring for "Apathy", "Regret", "Boredom", "Worry", "Doubt", "Guilt" or "Embarrassment"
***** the Grey Lantern Corp may not be "Apathy" and its Oath may not be "Meh"Last edited by Lord Raziere; 2021-06-07 at 02:37 PM.
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2021-06-07, 02:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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* May not smelt down six rings to make a rainbow ring.
** No, it does not have any influence over sexuality.
* May not turn down an NPC's proposal because they had a ring and not a weapon of mass destruction.
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2021-06-07, 09:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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* While using children's warped view of the world to design a campaign is acceptable, I should not have a setting based entirely on the pronouncements of a single 2-year-old.
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2021-06-07, 11:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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* May not give the PCs a moon made out of warpstone, inhabited by oompa-loompas who drive plasma cannon ant-mecha and shoot chaos grenade launchers.
** May not make sad faces when they chicken out and just sell the coordinates to the Cocain-Wizards Guild.
*** May not be annoyed by having to stat out giant hybrid ant-mecha-oompa-loompas dual weilding time-bullet railguns.
**** May not be surprised that illithid mind-slavers and halfling mafia dons have better public relations and poll numbers than the PCs.
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2021-06-08, 12:15 AM (ISO 8601)
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What's warpstone again? I know weirdstones are from FR and interfere with teleportation in the area.
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2021-06-08, 12:19 AM (ISO 8601)
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2021-06-08, 01:50 AM (ISO 8601)
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2021-06-08, 02:03 AM (ISO 8601)
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Cool elan Illithid Slayer by linkele.
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2021-06-08, 03:17 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Things I May No Longer Do While Playing 13: This Is A Banned List Not A Drinking
Honestly, in both Fantasy and 40k Chaos isn't inherently evil, just extremely dangerous. Oh sure, they're uncaring and their worshippers are trying to conquer/destroy everything, but dig up the right lore and you'll find that the Chaos Gods are just as complex as The Emperor (a.k.a. Space Sigmar).
In 40k Chaos isn't actually a problem with the Warp, I believe they're a symptom. Back in the time of the Old Ones and Necrontyr the Warp was a stable hyperspace, but creating three of the major races of the setting to do battle with the Necrontyr, two of which are universally psykers? When the Warp is used to do horrific things on such a scale of gets corrupted.
Anyway, 'Chaos is evil' is like saying 'Tech Priests don't innovate', a vast oversimplification of the matter.
* It doesn't matter how many points I sink into Intelligence and Tech, I can't reverse engineer Necron technology.
** Especially their FTL drive.
*** Naming myself Bergenholm doesn't help.
**** I now have Wanted (Extreme, Tech Priesthood of Mars).
***** I should have thought of that before becoming a Heretek.
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2021-06-08, 04:24 AM (ISO 8601)
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Depends a lot on which source you read in Warhammer Fantasy. I mean, ever compare Rogue Trader to Indomitus? The settings basically share a few names in common and not much else. Then remember Warhammer Fantasy is ten years older than that.
There's plenty of societies in Warhammer Fantasy that argue that even the chaos gods aren't evil, and many of them seem reasonably stable. The Norscans (fantasy vikings) worship the Wolf (Khorne), the Raven (Tzeentch), the Serpent (Slaanesh) and the Crow (Nurgle), who bring hardship, but also strength. The Khurgan (fantasy steppe tribes) worship Tzeentch the Changer, who makes life interesting. Cathay (fantasy China) too, has a state-sponsored Tzeentch-cult amongst other gods, worshipping knowledge. And there's some chaos cults in the old world who are just right. For example, one of the roleplaying games had a student's uprising who turned to the chaos gods and they had perfectly legitimous grievances. There's also the story of the old widow who was exiled from her village when the local mayor forged documents putting her in debt. She swore vengance and became a Warrior of Khorne.
But yeah, at least in the more nuanced sources, the warp is volatile and dangerous, but not necessarily willfully evil. However, the ones who turn to such a power source are almost all either greedy and reckless or angry and desparate, so it rarely turns out well.Resident Vancian Apologist
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2021-06-08, 04:25 AM (ISO 8601)
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2021-06-08, 05:18 AM (ISO 8601)
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To be fair, a very large portion of my knowledge comes from If the Emperor of Mankind Had A Text-To-Speech Device - not all of it, and I know the canon story's moved on since it started, but still.
Though also to be fair, there was an episode specifically about the topic that had good points on both sides of the argument.
Spoiler: MAJOR spoilers for episode 13 and less major ones for episode 19Magnus points out that 1. the Chaos Gods technically represent all of sentient emotion, even if the positive aspects are shown approximately never, and b) destroying Chaos is impossible and even if you could it'd basically screw over everyone anyways, which Emps admits. However, Emps points out that the Warp is still, to quote, DANGEROUS, STUPID, DANGEROUSLY STUPID, AND STUPIDLY DANGEROUS, and that as long as Chaos remains in its current state bringing peace to humanity and the galaxy is basically impossible, which Magnus can't exactly deny either.
I suppose anyone who plans on using chloride trifluoride without nitrogen or noble gasses is either stupid or insane, so that checks out.
* It doesn't matter how many points I sink into Intelligence and Tech, I can't reverse engineer Necron technology.
** Especially their FTL drive.
*** Naming myself Bergenholm doesn't help.
**** I now have Wanted (Extreme, Tech Priesthood of Mars).
***** I should have thought of that before becoming a Heretek.Cool elan Illithid Slayer by linkele.
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2021-06-08, 05:39 AM (ISO 8601)
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While we could debate the specifics, yeah pretty much. Chassis isn't inherently evil, but dealing with it is still dangerous, stupid, stupidly dangerous, and likely to result in tentacles.
Okay, besides "Necron tech is so ridiculously advanced it's not even funny", I think I'm missing a lot of references here. Explanation please?
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2021-06-08, 01:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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2021-06-08, 02:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Things I May No Longer Do While Playing 13: This Is A Banned List Not A Drinking
Well, using xeno tech is tech heresy to the Mechanicum. So is improving on old tech. Especially the Emperor's tech. So is building an AI. Cawl has done all of that.
Edit: if you need more information, Cawl is the slightly deus ex machina-y tech priest Games Workshop pulled out of their hat recently, who worked with the Emperor and apparently spent hte last ten thousand years in secret, improving space marines, so that he can now make Better Space Marines. He was never mentioned before GW came out with a kit for Better Space Marines because reasons.Last edited by Eldan; 2021-06-08 at 02:42 PM.
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2021-06-08, 02:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Things I May No Longer Do While Playing 13: This Is A Banned List Not A Drinking
Is it clarified how better space marines are better?
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2021-06-08, 02:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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He just all around improved the process. Space marines are mutated and have new organs and cybernetics shoved into them. He mutates them more and shoves more new organs and cybernetics into them. In the process, he also eliminates all the weaknesses of the various space marine geneseeds, so that for example the Angry Chapters no longer have rage issues. They are bigger*, faster and stronger.
The Better Space Marines (Primaris) also have, as routine equipment, newly made Better Power Armor, Hover Tanks and Better Guns.
*This is the important one. Games Workshop has steadily, over the years, increased the scale of their models. So by now, there's chaos cultists who are taller than old marines. The entire storyline comes across as mostly an excuse to make new, larger space marine kits. Like, second edition marines, which a few guys I still know, are about half hte size of the new eight-ninth edition Primaris Marines.
Spoiler: See here. Same special character, a few editions apart.
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2021-06-08, 03:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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I think the most unrealistic thing about WH40K is the fact that the empire somehow manages to avoid getting steamrolled despite all that. By all rights they should have long since been smacked down like every other empire that's ever closed itself off and embraced stagnation like this
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2021-06-08, 03:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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2021-06-08, 03:30 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Things I May No Longer Do While Playing 13: This Is A Banned List Not A Drinking
Yeah.
My understanding is that there a lot of folks in the middle and pranks of the Adeptus Mechanics who innovate or approve others innovations just a little bit at a time but fake up evidence that it's "lost" technology.I also answer to Bookmark and Shadow Claw.
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2021-06-08, 03:30 PM (ISO 8601)
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I mean, the entire point of 40k is, or used to be, is that humanity was relatively well off but has been slowly sliding into unavoidable obscurity and destruction for the last ten millennia at least. It's ten thousand years of ignorance, fanaticism and entropy.
They are getting steamrolled. It's just that they are so big that getting steamrolled will take another few thousand years. Same for the Eldar. Not anymore for Newcrons, but otherwise, for pretty much everyone. Even the Tau are running into their limits and possibly starting to slide downwars. (More open totalitarianism, and the first chaos problems.)Last edited by Eldan; 2021-06-08 at 03:32 PM.
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2021-06-08, 03:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Things I May No Longer Do While Playing 13: This Is A Banned List Not A Drinking
To be fair to the Adeptus Mechanics, they aren't as stupidly dogma ridden as they look and occasionally even come up with new technology while admitting that's what they've done. They're just very conservative and have the issue that those actually asked to research are the same ones with a decent chance of replacing half their brain with a computer.
In terms of AI the Imperium has reasons to be wary (Men of Iron anybody), and even then they don't actually file the 'don't create AI' rule to the letter. They've basically told themselves that a sufficiently weak AI isn't actually an AI.
But yes, the Imperium is basically in the point where they'll be gone by the fifty first millennium, and I believe that a decent part of the new fluff makes this explicit. But they rule the majority of the galaxy, even getting steamrolled is going to take a while.
But at least the Orks and 'Nids aren't in decline yet.
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2021-06-08, 04:20 PM (ISO 8601)
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I'm... honestly not sure where the Orks would decline to. They're a race of universally dangerously insane mushroom-people who are only a spacefaring race by virtue of sufficiently advanced spacemagic. And I'm pretty sure that they haven't gone extinct by the same principle as Hitchhiker's Guide flight- they keep throwing themselves at extinction and missing
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2021-06-08, 04:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Things I May No Longer Do While Playing 13: This Is A Banned List Not A Drinking
Even the "rule the majority of the galaxy" part varies by author. The Imperium is said to have a million worlds. Our real world galaxy has at least a hundred billion stars. There might well be more planets that aren't part of the Imperium than planets that are. And many of the Imperial planets are barely in it. They are feral worlds or medieval worlds that pay a tithe in grain or soldiers every time an Imperial ship comes around, but otherwise don't really have a concept of what space or the Imperium actually are.
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The Orks' society CAN'T decline because they DON'T NEED a society. They reproduce by spores in huge numbers, they build advanced machinery by instinct, and they travel the stars by the power of their own will. Their entire adult population throughout the entire galaxy could be killed off and it wouldn't matter; their race would be set back by the amount of time it took the spores to mature but not a day longer.
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2021-06-08, 05:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Things I May No Longer Do While Playing 13: This Is A Banned List Not A Drinking
What doesn't vary by author?
Officially Imperial Space seems to convert the majority of the galaxy, but I'd be willing to accept that only a fraction of a percent of the systems within that are settled (and considering how almost all interstellar travel is Warp or Webway based systems do admittedly count for more than how far across the galaxy it extends). Plus yes, the Imperium is so vast that 'Imperial World' basically means 'pays tithes when asked and venerates the Emperor'.
On the other hand the 40k authors do get the scale they're dealing with most of the time, even if they disagree on that scale. There are entire planets dedicated to managing subsectors, Terra itself is basically a mixture of administration hub and pilgrimage site, and the Guard numbers in at least the trillions. Plus nothing is unified, the Ecclesiarchy basically init functions because each planet's cult is shown to develop as it pleases.
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2021-06-08, 05:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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I just mean while you can paint the entire galaxy Imperial, the density of Imperial worlds can be low. They still occasionally find new minor xenos empires of a dozen worlds or two they didn't notice before.
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* My assassin villain character's goal may not to be "be wealthy"
** Nor may I fool all the other PCs into thinking I'm just a assassin here to kill for the highest bidder without having a horse in the race to take over the city then kill the last one standing myself when rest are taken care of
*** May not play both sides against each other by making them go into a bidding war over my assassination services.
**** My cover identity may not be an amiable dwarven woman who sells potions in a modest shop.
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2021-06-09, 12:12 AM (ISO 8601)
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I don't see why, given that the setting has instantaneous travel and after 15000 years of no innovation I'd think that how fast you can get to the worlds would be the biggest limiter on how fast it can be done.
Also, remember, the Eldar aren't actually the Eldar, Slannesh is the Eldar and Slaanesh is doing fine
And also less evil than the emperor. Well, maybe not Khorne, but you'll find that the others are less evil than the emperor (assuming that the emperor is indeed still alive and still in command and that the ecclesiarchy hasn't actually just been doing a millenia long rehash of Weekend At Bernie's). ("what about slaanesh eating all those eldar souls?" I hear you say. Well, that's the same kind of language the craftworld Eldar use to describe their beloved Ynnead, so it can't really be all that bad if it's what even the anti-slannesh eldar are angling for anyway)
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