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    and Super Mario Sunshine! Very funto play, very infuriating to think about the storyline of.

    The fracking trial scene, peeps. Either Isle Delfino is part of the Mushroom Kingdom and the judge overruled an objection from their absolute monarch
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    I, for one, enjoy separation of powers.
    That's not the point.

    The point is that not only was Mario screwed over, but that said screw over is the kind of ting that either gets your province cracked down on hard by the centralized government(if the Isle is part of Peach's kingdom) or a major international incident(if it's not.)

    I mean, what's the point of being an absolute monarch if you can't stop your boyfriend from being royally ****ed over in a sham trial with no evidence, no opportunity for him to defend himself or be defended by others, when you have objective proof that he literally just got there and thus physically could not have committed the crimes in question?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rater202 View Post
    I mean, what's the point of being an absolute monarch if you can't stop your boyfriend from being royally ****ed over in a sham trial with no evidence, no opportunity for him to defend himself or be defended by others, when you have objective proof that he literally just got there and thus physically could not have committed the crimes in question?
    Um excuse me Rater, Mario Odyssey goes against Mario being her boyfriend:
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    she turned him down when he offered her flowers in the final scene along with Bowser remember?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Raziere View Post
    Um excuse me Rater, Mario Odyssey goes against Mario being her boyfriend:
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    she turned him down when he offered her flowers in the final scene along with Bowser remember?
    I mean, he proposed marriage immediately after she was almost forced to marry Bowser.

    Anyone would be turned down in that circumstance.

    Beyond that, even if they're not romantic partners he's still a close personal friend of the Mushroom Kingdom's absolute monarch and a world famous hero beyond that. He is exactly the kind of person that you handle the trial of by the book.

    If someone with absolute political power objects to you railroading someone and tries to speak in their defense, you let them talk. If the Ilse is part of the mushroom Kingdom, Peach has the authority to override the entire trial and shut it down. If it's not, then is how Wars get started.
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    Well yeah, your right Rater, like a lot of times.

    but all this rests on the dubious assumption that logic applies to the Mario universe, which I feel I can make a very good case against.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rater202 View Post
    That's not the point.

    The point is that not only was Mario screwed over, but that said screw over is the kind of ting that either gets your province cracked down on hard by the centralized government(if the Isle is part of Peach's kingdom) or a major international incident(if it's not.)

    I mean, what's the point of being an absolute monarch if you can't stop your boyfriend from being royally ****ed over in a sham trial with no evidence, no opportunity for him to defend himself or be defended by others, when you have objective proof that he literally just got there and thus physically could not have committed the crimes in question?
    Assume, for the moment, that Isle Delfino is indeed in the Mushroom Kingdom. The fact that the judge can overrule Princess Peach means that she is not, in fact, an absolute monarch, and that there is a separation of powers (executive vs judiciary, at the very least). Which is very much the point of my little joke.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peelee View Post
    Assume, for the moment, that Isle Delfino is indeed in the Mushroom Kingdom. The fact that the judge can overrule Princess Peach means that she is not, in fact, an absolute monarch, and that there is a separation of powers (executive vs judiciary, at the very least). Which is very much the point of my little joke.
    She's treated as having absolute power in other circumstances. In particular, the fact that it's shown time and time again that the entire kingdom stops functioning when she goes missing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rater202 View Post
    She's treated as having absolute power in other circumstances. In particular, the fact that it's shown time and time again that the entire kingdom stops functioning when she goes missing.
    Do any of the other circumstances involve the judiciary? If not, then she is not an absolute monarch and the government is split into at least two branches, as we are shown ipso facto in Super Mario Sunshine.

    ETA: Granted, I've missed a few of the games, but I have yet to see the Mushroom Kingdom functioning to start with.
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    anyway, zodi... I legitimately did not know that you were supposed to use the Village underside during The Goopy Inferno.

    I thought the "use the spring to get close and then jump around while we et to clear a path" was the intended solution. Why else would the song be situated so that you can get almost all the wy there by swimming?
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    Maybe the mushroom kingdom is a constitutional monarchy with a weak head of state mostly with ceremonial powers, so as a result her trying to throw her weight around in a trial had her get smacked down.

    It is also possible we are putting way more thought into the inner workings of the Mushroom Kingdoms government than Nintendo did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rater202 View Post
    anyway, zodi... I legitimately did not know that you were supposed to use the Village underside during The Goopy Inferno.

    I thought the "use the spring to get close and then jump around while we et to clear a path" was the intended solution. Why else would the song be situated so that you can get almost all the wy there by swimming?
    Mario's design is accessible and very open in how it builds its levels, so while the intended solution is often a bunch of long platforming to test your skill, its famous for having a lot of ways you can trick around this or that or speedrun things if your good. I thought of the spring trick when I played sunshine but ended up doing it the long way because I kept falling into the lava thinking I could pain bounce into a victory. thing is, the long way can actually lead to the spring anyways as well, because its a bunch of nonlinear paths underneath the village and one of the ways up leads to the spring in the center.
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    This all rests on the assumption that the Mushroom Kingdom is a major world power in the first place. Some of the events in the Mario and Luigi RPG series hint at it being notable among that world's nations only because of Peach's magical powers, most-to-all of which require the presence and cooperation of either a Star Sprite or a particularly potent Power Star in order to be used at all.
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    and Super Mario Sunshine! Very funto play, very infuriating to think about the storyline of.

    The fracking trial scene, peeps. Either Isle Delfino is part of the Mushroom Kingdom and the judge overruled an objection from their absolute monarch or Isle Defino is a sovereign nation and they royally screwed over a visiting foreign dignitary, and throughout the game, Mario's name is never cleared even though he has eyewitnesses that prove that he physically was not present to commit the crimes... Between that and the complete sham of a trial...

    I like ti think that Peach Beach, a racecourse in two Mario Kart titles that is described as Peach's private race course but that is obviously somewhere in Isel Delfino, exists because after the absolutely despicable way her party was treated not an hour short of getting to the island, that Peach just ent an invasion force and annexed the Island as part of her kingdom and converted the capitol into her personal race track to prove a point.

    The Pintas and Noki watching the races are cheering because she's a better ruler than the corrupt government she ousted.

    I mean, if that's what happens to a world famous hero/boyfriend of a visiting monarch then what the hell are they doing to their own citizens?
    Another important thing to keep in mind is that the only other time we see Pianta's in the series, they're a mafia. It's entirely likely the Isle Delfino is a Hawaiian esque republic with a powerful criminal hive element, thus the brutal court system. Also; considering the fact that the sentance is community service in fixing something that he was going to help with anyway, I feel like the sham trial was just to appease the masses and keep up appearances.

    That said the idea of the Mushroom Kingdom annexing Delfino in response to Peach's vacation being ruined is hilarious. Technically it's all Bowser's fault though... or more accurately his kid, who can't be tried since he's a literal child.

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    anyway, zodi... I legitimately did not know that you were supposed to use the Village underside during The Goopy Inferno.

    I thought the "use the spring to get close and then jump around while we et to clear a path" was the intended solution. Why else would the song be situated so that you can get almost all the wy there by swimming?
    Aah, the joys of exploration.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaZodiac View Post
    Another important thing to keep in mind is that the only other time we see Pianta's in the series, they're a mafia. It's entirely likely the Isle Delfino is a Hawaiian esque republic with a powerful criminal hive element, thus the brutal court system. Also; considering the fact that the sentance is community service in fixing something that he was going to help with anyway, I feel like the sham trial was just to appease the masses and keep up appearances.

    That said the idea of the Mushroom Kingdom annexing Delfino in response to Peach's vacation being ruined is hilarious. Technically it's all Bowser's fault though... or more accurately his kid, who can't be tried since he's a literal child.
    Problem with mushroom kingdom is that even in the paper mario games, there doesn't seem to be a standing army, just a few toads who act as town or palace guards. if the Mushroom Kingdom had one to enforce such an annex, I doubt they'd have so much trouble with Bowser taking them over all the time. in all honesty, Mushroom Kingdom seems like a kingdom trying to hold to incredibly pacifist ideals next to a warlike kingdom of koopas with bad land. the only reason Mario is able to fight them off is because he is an immigrant from New Donk city, and thus doesn't have the peaceful toad culture like the rest of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Raziere View Post
    Problem with mushroom kingdom is that even in the paper mario games, there doesn't seem to be a standing army, just a few toads who act as town or palace guards. if the Mushroom Kingdom had one to enforce such an annex, I doubt they'd have so much trouble with Bowser taking them over all the time. in all honesty, Mushroom Kingdom seems like a kingdom trying to hold to incredibly pacifist ideals next to a warlike kingdom of koopas with bad land. the only reason Mario is able to fight them off is because he is an immigrant from New Donk city, and thus doesn't have the peaceful toad culture like the rest of them.
    So, some points.

    1: I think the Mushroom Kingdom's only ever been taken over once, and that's the first game? Every other time it's just kinda like, adjacent issues.

    2: The idea that Mario is a strong hero because he lived in New York and as such is the rudest nice boy is ****ING HILARIOUS and thank you for putting that in my brain.


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    Also, let's be completly honest: In every game where PEach is playable, she's casually outshining Mario.

    I'm pretty sure she lets herself get kidnapped because ruling a kingdom is boring and this gets her out of the house.

    Why else would the guy who keeps kidnapping her keep getting invited Go-Karting, to al the sports matches, and to game night? It's literally a game to her.
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    Also, let's be completly honest: In every game where PEach is playable, she's casually outshining Mario.

    I'm pretty sure she lets herself get kidnapped because ruling a kingdom is boring and this gets her out of the house.

    Why else would the guy who keeps kidnapping her keep getting invited Go-Karting, to al the sports matches, and to game night? It's literally a game to her.
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    They are all actors who spend time with each other when not working. Super Mario 3 confirms this. QED.
    I'm reasonably certain that that's only confirmed for that one game.
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    I'm reasonably certain that that's only confirmed for that one game.
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