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Thread: Werewolf/Mafia: Percy Jackson
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2021-06-03, 09:16 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Werewolf/Mafia: Percy Jackson
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2021-06-03, 09:17 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Werewolf/Mafia: Percy Jackson
A lot has been claimed, and said, but I still think BCH seems wolfy, and I don't think a plan that requires twenty people to coordinate, when several of them are actively trying to sabotage it and a few are neutrals with unknown goals, is a good plan.
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2021-06-03, 09:17 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Werewolf/Mafia: Percy Jackson
Yes. This is actually now a problem.
As it stands, we have 8 people voting for BatCat, 8 people voting for Emmy.
Assuming Apogee is in control of the plan (have the doublevoter on Emmy) that makes it 8 for BatCat and 9 for Emmy.
If BatCat decides he wants to live and votes Emmy, that pushes it to 8 for BatCat and 10 for Emmy.
We need more votes on BatCat again (Three total if we are doing 11 vs 10). Libro, Snowblaze if you guys could shift your votes to BatCat that would be ideal since Libro's vote is on no one and Snow (I think) suspects both me and BatCat.
EDIT
Got Ninja'd. Assuming Totadile went back and struck through his last post, we are at 9 for BatCat and 7 (possibly 8) for Emmy. That's comfortable for me again though I would rather people lock in votes on one of those two.
Vote Count
rogue_alchemist (2): flat_footed, Book Wombat
totadileplayz (1): Batcathat
Batcathat (9): EmmyNecromancer, Murska, Apogee1, AvatarVecna, Valmark, rogue_alchemist, Xihirli, Rogan, totadileplayz
CaoimhinTheCape (1): Snowblaze
EmmyNecromancer (7!): Shal06, CaoimhinTheCape, bladescape, JeenLeen, Mornshine, Elenna, Zelphas
Not Voting (1): Libro
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2021-06-03, 09:19 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Werewolf/Mafia: Percy Jackson
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2021-06-03, 09:19 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Werewolf/Mafia: Percy Jackson
Totadile did cross out his last vote, appreciate you moving back to BatCat.
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2021-06-03, 09:21 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Werewolf/Mafia: Percy Jackson
Still trying to work out what to make of the neutral claim change thing... that's a "no clue".
Anyway, Batcathat - makes sense regardless of whether the tie thing is happening or we're just killing them. Probably won't be around much more today as I've been neglecting IRL stuff which I really should focus on.I'm writing stuff, come and read it!
Werewolf games won: 24
Werewolf games lost: 14
Games as town: 23.5
Games as neutral: 5.5
Games as wolf: 9
Games narrated: 1
Deaths: 17
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2021-06-03, 09:25 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Werewolf/Mafia: Percy Jackson
Thanks. Still, since the power of neutrals are only known to Gac (and the neutral in question) my point stands.
I also edited my post on the last page to add a comment about a reply. Should have known I could safely write a new post without double posting.
By the way... Is the updated line some people add to their posts something the forum provides, or did they save the code for it and paste it when they need to?
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2021-06-03, 09:25 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Werewolf/Mafia: Percy Jackson
and with another vote on BHC I'll be back onto EmmyNecromancer
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2021-06-03, 09:27 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Werewolf/Mafia: Percy Jackson
"Trust bladescape, Shadow of Doubt,"
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2021-06-03, 09:30 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Werewolf/Mafia: Percy Jackson
So, we're at 9 vs 8 (9 with the doublevoter). There's still the threat that BatCat saves himself by voting Emmy and making it 10. Looking at Libro, flat_footed, or BookWombat for vote BatCat and balance things out.
Vote Count
rogue_alchemist (2): flat_footed, Book Wombat
totadileplayz (1): Batcathat
Batcathat (9): EmmyNecromancer, Murska, Apogee1, AvatarVecna, Valmark, rogue_alchemist, Xihirli, Rogan, Snowblaze
EmmyNecromancer (8!): Shal06, CaoimhinTheCape, bladescape, JeenLeen, Mornshine, Elenna, Zelphas, totadileplayz
Not Voting (1): Libro
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2021-06-03, 09:31 AM (ISO 8601)
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2021-06-03, 09:33 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Werewolf/Mafia: Percy Jackson
I'll check back in a couple hours or so, and around 3 or 4 PM EST. If I should change my vote to help the split, let me know.
It looks like it's mostly okay, but I am around to be able to move things if needed.
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2021-06-03, 09:33 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Werewolf/Mafia: Percy Jackson
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2021-06-03, 09:37 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Werewolf/Mafia: Percy Jackson
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2021-06-03, 09:38 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Werewolf/Mafia: Percy Jackson
I probably have communicated my thoughts poorly. I hope the second explanation makes more sense. I put more thought into it than I did the original. However I see from your example that we have claim A and Claim B and are lynching Claim B. That is not what I am talking about though. I am saying if A claims x with power y and B claims role x, then we lynch A and if they flip as being x with power y, then B is now most suspect.
In the weird scenario you gave, I would agree that making a specific claim then a general counterclaim and lynching the general and getting the exact same specific reveal as claim A would lend more credence to Claim A, but I can't imagine where is would come into play. No one would follow those steps.
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2021-06-03, 09:41 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Werewolf/Mafia: Percy Jackson
OK, we should be all set for now. If BatCat plays ball, we get a tie and that means we get to test Emmy. If not, we lynch BatCat.
BookWombat and flat_footed should vote opposite of each other (with BatCat getting the first vote) to be safe. Can't guarantee we'll get the split we want but better safe than sorry.
Vote Count
rogue_alchemist (2): flat_footed, Book Wombat
totadileplayz (1): Batcathat
Batcathat (10): EmmyNecromancer, Murska, Apogee1, AvatarVecna, Valmark, rogue_alchemist, Xihirli, Rogan, Snowblaze, Libro
EmmyNecromancer (8!): Shal06, CaoimhinTheCape, bladescape, JeenLeen, Mornshine, Elenna, Zelphas, totadileplayz
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2021-06-03, 09:44 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Werewolf/Mafia: Percy Jackson
BatCatHat? I think your best bet now would be to change your vote to Emmy.
This way, we can follow the plan without worring you might change your vote later to save your hide.
If you do so, you will have a chance to live (a smal one, but it's better than nothing)
Emmy might lie so the tie will be resolved by the flip of a coin. So Emmy might die while you live for at least another day (and one night, wich would give you a chance to proof your power)
If you don't change your vote, we will simply move votes from Emmy to you. No tie, you die.
Best case, changing your vote would lead to a tie. In this case, see above.
Vote Count (copyed from Cao, with the vote of Libro added)
rogue_alchemist (2): flat_footed, Book Wombat
totadileplayz (1): Batcathat
Batcathat (10): EmmyNecromancer, Murska, Apogee1, AvatarVecna, Valmark, rogue_alchemist, Xihirli, Rogan, Snowblaze, Libro
EmmyNecromancer (8!): Shal06, CaoimhinTheCape, bladescape, JeenLeen, Mornshine, Elenna, Zelphas, totadileplayz
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2021-06-03, 09:47 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Werewolf/Mafia: Percy Jackson
Hopefully he does, because if he doesn't, I might get upset.
Even though I am a necromancer, I am not a member of the Coven. In fact, my entire coven disbanded, so my alignment changed to Chaotic Good.
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Last Updated: November 5th, 2021 @7:43 AM
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2021-06-03, 09:52 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Werewolf/Mafia: Percy Jackson
My example was not for this game, but for a general situation. Unless there is a missunderstanding between us, your first example was meant as a general situation. My example deffintly was (and I think, I made this clear in my post).
I also explained, that it would take a quite specific situation for this advice to be valid, while in a general situation the counterclaimer would be in serious trouble.
What I intended to say now is:
I think, your first post about this topic was plain wrong.
It is both wrong in the specific context of this game
AND in the general context of a typical game.
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2021-06-03, 09:54 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Werewolf/Mafia: Percy Jackson
Not as relevant now, but:
Basically Iris is the goddess in charge of sending magical messages back and forth (IIRC cellphones attract mythical monsters or something like that). I wouldn't have said she's super important at any point, but obviously she plays an important role in the background.
I would definitely not have thought of her first, or even close to first, if you asked me to name a minor god/goddess who shows in Percy Jackson. But I'm more familiar with the second series (Heroes of Olympus), which I believe had more minor gods showing up compared to the first series. If you're focusing on minor gods from the first series, I guess I could see both gac and the wolves going with Iris.
Uh. What.
So, they're saying they gave you the wrong name by accident? I guess? Or are they saying they fakeclaimed to you originally for... some reason??
Just gonna assume it's the first one, i.e. they're claiming to have said the wrong name by accident earlier.
Hmm, are people more likely to mess up a fakeclaim or a real claim? I could see a wolf discussing multiple fakeclaims and losing track of what they decided to use. I could maybe also see someone who's not very familiar with Percy Jackson or Greek mythology, who forgot the name of their role, but in that case it would be really weird for them to come up with the name of a different real goddess. Unless they claimed after batcathat and mixed it up with that? Idk, still seems weird.
FWIW the only time I've messed up my claim, it was a fakeclaim. But that's just one data point.
Going through all the possibilities, in no particular order:
1. Both are neutrals telling the truth. This requires batcathat to have enacted a really bad plan instead of just claiming their real role, and also requires the Child of Ariadne to have failed to remember their actual role name and instead mixed it up with the name of another role that wasn't even in the role list. If they claimed before BCH, where did they pull Iris from? If they claimed after BCH, how did they not double-check their role name before counterclaiming? Just seems really weird either way.
2. BCH is a neutral who made bad decisions, Child of Ariadne is a lying wolf who wants to avoid suspicion after BCH's flip. I don't see why a wolf in that position would go back on their claim and make themselves look even weirder, instead of just claiming to be a second Child of Iris, but maybe they panicked? Again, requires really weird decisions on BCHs part, too.
3. BCH is a lying wolf, Child of Ariadne is a real neutral. BCH's decisions make slightly more sense in this case. Still really weird for the real neutral to get their name wrong, same as possibility 1. I guess in this world it would just be a coincidence that the real neutral used the wrong name and then BCH picked the same name for a fakeclaim??
4. Both are wolves who got really confused about their fakeclaims and/or both accidentally used the same fakeclaim. I could easily see that happening, but I don't understand why the "Child of Ariadne" would change their claim instead of just continuing to pretend to be a child of Iris and getting neutral cred when batcathat was lynched. Maybe panic? Maybe they really hate bussing their buddy??
All these options are really weird. I think 3 or 4 are most likely, probably. I definitely still think we should vote BCH today (or do the vote split plan with the intention of lynching BCH). Even if they're somehow telling the truth, it's worth it to kill a neutral in order to get more info on this weirdness.
Apogee, I'd like to see that conversation regardless of batcathat's flip, if that's fine with you.
EDIT: So many ninjas... then again it did take me like 50 min to write this post.Last edited by Elenna; 2021-06-03 at 09:55 AM.
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2021-06-03, 09:56 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Werewolf/Mafia: Percy Jackson
If he has the most votes AND does not die, it will simply proof that he has some kind of kill protection.
If he does not die, but you do... Well, this would mean we either have a neutral power with a passive vote manipulation power. Or you lied about your power.
In this case, I can't realy say I would be sorry
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I said passive vote manipulation power course ther is another vote manipulation power listed in the roles.
But this has to be used in the night and will be active next day. So nothing we need to fear on day 1.
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2021-06-03, 10:06 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Werewolf/Mafia: Percy Jackson
Yes, I plan on outing the conversation overnight probably.
Here's the relevant part from the initial claim "I'm a neutral Child of Iris ... (A visit to the wiki informs me that Iris and Dionysus are married)" with re-claim being that who was who was just mixed up.
Now, its possible this was a bungled claim or a bungled fakeclaim, but who knows.
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2021-06-03, 10:09 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Werewolf/Mafia: Percy Jackson
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2021-06-03, 10:09 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Werewolf/Mafia: Percy Jackson
I've gotten a doublevoter claim, and they are on Emmy.
I believe that puts the count at 10 v 9. Obviously having Batcathat vote would be preferable, but right now we could have one more on Emmy.
Ideally, if Batcathat never votes, we leave the count with an (x+1) versus (x) split so one person can unvote right before 9 if we want to do the split.
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2021-06-03, 10:10 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Werewolf/Mafia: Percy Jackson
I was referring to the fact that bladescape asked wether we need 1 more vote on BHC, which is true if the double voter is on Emmy.
Though seeing the reply I'm thinking I missed someone saying the doublevoter should target Emmy in the original planning, because until now I thought that was left unsaid.
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2021-06-03, 10:14 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Werewolf/Mafia: Percy Jackson
Yes, this exactly. I think I mentioned earlier how the other Iris claim was claiming a different ability and wincon?
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That's not to say that the mistake wasn't just in crafting the fakeclaim, which is quite feasible if the person in question is a wolf.
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2021-06-03, 10:18 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Werewolf/Mafia: Percy Jackson
alright, It's not worth it to keep arguing over and trying to explain. We seem to have some wires crossed about what was said versus what was intended. If it makes you feel better, feel free to forget my original post. I stick by my second post as I know I put time and effort into that response. I'm sorry if I have misunderstood your examples and questions, I have tried my best to answer them and understand you, but it seems I keep getting us further and further off track. If you want to discuss this more, I am open to starting a QT, but otherwise, I feel this is just adding noise to this game that is not productive.
Sorry to everyone else for continuing the noise for so long.
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2021-06-03, 10:31 AM (ISO 8601)
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2021-06-03, 10:32 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Werewolf/Mafia: Percy Jackson
Good to know, I was wondering about that as well but never got around to asking.
Sure, I suppose I might as well bow out with grace. EmmyNecromancer, for either playing a neutral way better than me or being a much better liar.
Fitting how a game themed after Greek mythology would teach me a lesson about hubris. If I don't post again before end of day and barring any unexpected miracles I guess I'll see y'all in the post-game discussion. It's been brief, frequently stressful and occasionally embarrassing... but pretty fun.
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2021-06-03, 10:34 AM (ISO 8601)
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