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Thread: Werewolf/Mafia: Percy Jackson
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2021-06-09, 12:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Werewolf/Mafia: Percy Jackson
I've had the same warning and the first thing I said in my QT with Apogee was "I have reasons to suspect a Champ of Hera is in the game"
One of the first things I said on day 2 was "If you don't trust me, I can go and claim to Jeen so he can kill me in exchange for helping town."
Well, not word for word, but in spirit.
More about this at the after match party.
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2021-06-09, 12:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Werewolf/Mafia: Percy Jackson
That explains why Apogee was hesitant to out you D2. Makes sense.
Sadly, I can't kill you or I definitely would have tonight (or last night. I was about 90% sure you were the vig, too )
I sorta have some half-cocked plans for how I could not void you tonight, and the Town manage to get your kill to go through, but I just tried to make myself a pot of coffee, and accidentally left my cup out so it poured out on my office table and carpet. I think that shows how tired I am, so I'm not going to try to formulate any plans. I might give an idea or two privately to AV, for her to peruse for viability. But, uh, probably not until I'm rested.
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2021-06-09, 12:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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2021-06-09, 07:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Werewolf/Mafia: Percy Jackson
My parody will be on my death, I have no reason to reveal it early.
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2021-06-09, 07:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Werewolf/Mafia: Percy Jackson
On the one hand this will be the easiest vote count so far. On the other hand, the most boring. Day 2, that was exciting.
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2021-06-09, 07:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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2021-06-09, 07:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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2021-06-09, 07:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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2021-06-09, 08:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Werewolf/Mafia: Percy Jackson
Too bad you didn't cross out your last one.
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Day 3 Ends
Spoiler: Votes
Rogan (1): Jeenleen
Bladescape (13): Cape, Totadileplayz, Elenna, Zelphas, Snowblaze, Valmark, Murska, Book Wombat, Rogue_Alchemist, libro, Rogan, Mornshine,
"Hey guys. Zeus's kid killed another one."
"We should kill him!"
"Or we can kill this guy over here. I didn't see him do anything, but a ghost told me he was totally the bad guy."
"Look! I know a ghost told him I was a bad guy, but I swear I'm not."
"Okay, then we kill that guy and kill Zeus's kid later."
"Oh crap! That one we buried the other day just showed up!"
"I'm back guys!"
"Okay guys. I'm innocent but please listen to my death ballad!"
And the rest of the day passed in peace as songs were sung and written in preparation for another death. At the end of the song, the one thing everyone knew for sure, was Bladescape was not a child of Apollo.
Spoiler: SongOne lie more
Another claim, another questioning
This never-ending road to networking
These men who now have scried my guilt
Will surely vote me all full tilt
One lie more
I have survived cause I behave
How can I live when you've scried me?
One lie more
Tomorrow I'll be in the grave
And yet AV's life has just started
One more vote all on the flow
Will I ever claim again?
One more vote with town not caring
I was trained to lie to you
What a life I must let go
And I swear it will be true
But he never trusted me
One more vote pushing my wagon
Do I lie or gather claims,
As the dead let AV rise,
Shall I leave my brothers here?
When the town is like a dragon,
Do I stand and do I dare?
Will you place your vote on me?
The time is now
The votes are here
One lie more
One lie more to see the dead chat
We will arrive in post-haste
We'll be crying like the fool boys
Watching town as it is cased
One lie more
Watch me run amuck
Catch me as I fall
Never know your luck
When there's a seer vig'd call
Here a little claim
There a little lie
Apogee was a goner
Until I got scried
One vote to a new beginning
Raise the claims of village high
Every man will be full clear
Every man will be full clear
There's a new camp for the winning
There's a new camp to be won
Do you hear the lynch bell ring?
My place is there
I died for you
One lie more
I will join these people's heroes
I will laugh at this whole show
I will learn their little secrets
I will know the things they know
One lie more
Watch me run amuck
Catch me as I fall
Never know your luck
When you make the call
We'll be ready for the voters
Tomorrow I'll be far away
Tomorrow is town's judgement day
Tomorrow we'll discover
What my wolfing buddies have in store
One more try
One more lie
One lie more
Bladescape has died. They were a child of Hephaestus. Wolf
Spoiler: Role QT
Bladescape:
Hephaestus: You have knack for invention and crafting, much like your father.
Scanner: You invented a scanner that lets you copy the abilities you see around you. Any power used on you gives you a single charge of that power to use on future nights.
Your scanner has picked up the following Abilities: (I don't feel like looking up the names so I'm going to do my best remembering and we can clarify if needed): The gift of Prophecy (Apollo), Healing Waters (Poseidon), Strategic Placement (Hermes), Light of Foot (Hermes), Drunken Fun (Dionysus), and an additional power not listed which allows you to target someone to see if they are a child of Zeus (if they are you will be told and they will not be able to take an action that night)
Night 3 Begins It will end in 24 hours
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2021-06-09, 08:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Werewolf/Mafia: Percy Jackson
And yes I know the AV line puts it slightly out of meter if you don't rush through it but it works okay?
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2021-06-09, 08:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Werewolf/Mafia: Percy Jackson
I've got a few conversations going before I let people know who they need to target. Need to get all my ducks in a row, yknow.
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2021-06-09, 08:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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2021-06-09, 08:24 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Werewolf/Mafia: Percy Jackson
I will say this from a rp standpoint the kids are insane. Literally never killed the actual known killer instead random other kids that were somehow sus in terms of the story the kids are monsters.
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2021-06-09, 08:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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2021-06-09, 09:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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2021-06-09, 10:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Werewolf/Mafia: Percy Jackson
Did AV get a scry result from her power use N1? Not asking what it is, but curious how that paned out and asking now that she's back alive. Presumably it could have been relayed via the deadchat, if AV trusted the person who revived her to be Town prior to the rez.
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Originally Posted by bladescape's Role reveal
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2021-06-09, 10:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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2021-06-10, 01:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Werewolf/Mafia: Percy Jackson
So, while we are waiting for the night to end, I used my time for some thought experiment:
We have had two nights with only one kill. How many deaths would be possible in one night?
If the scanner where alive, I think the answer would be at least 5, maybe even 6.
- One kill by Lightning
- One kill by the wolves
- One kill by the scanner, after he survived lightning before
- One kill by the vicious Ares
- One death by strategic placement
The booster could create another kill, depending on his target and the interaction between them.
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2021-06-10, 06:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Werewolf/Mafia: Percy Jackson
1.25 hours til night is over, don't forget your actions!
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2021-06-10, 06:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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2021-06-10, 07:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Werewolf/Mafia: Percy Jackson
Everyone has given me actions. Still 20ish minutes to change them but I have something from everyone.
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2021-06-10, 07:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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That's good to hear.
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2021-06-10, 08:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Werewolf/Mafia: Percy Jackson
End of Night 3
There is more song writing throughout the night and much excitement. People running around as much as normal. There is once again laughter, lights, and finally the crack of thunder. Once again you find a single body, coursing with electricity. The pattern has become comforting to those who have accepted that at least it means they are alive.
Elenna has died. They were a child of Dionysus. Wolf.
Spoiler: Roll QTElenna:
Dionysus: You can be quite a lot of fun at parties, able to induce drunkenness or madness among those around you.
Induce Madness: You are able to change people's perceptions and intentions by inducing minor madness. Choose one person and redirect who their power targets that night.
Begin Day 4 48 hours.
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2021-06-10, 08:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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Well, that's fortunate. Redirected wolf night kill?
Wait, nevermind. Just read the flavor text now. Seems like Zeus finally got their aim down.
Ok, so what happened to the wolf kill then?Last edited by flat_footed; 2021-06-10 at 08:07 PM.
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2021-06-10, 08:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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No. Because Rogan is not a wolf and N2 proved it.
I had most of this typed up before I was even rezzed. I held off on posting it to avoid tipping my hand and showing that I didn't trust Elenna even a tiny little bit until after I'd arranged for her murder by lightning. Which has gone off without a hitch, it seems. Anyway:
Spoiler: Proving Vig InnocentAnybody who seriously thinks the vig is a wolf at this point is out of their mind. We just need to logic it out. First, let's figure out the roles that could be responsible for a Zeus-flavored kill taking out Apogee1.
Spoiler: PossibilitiesHere is every way to get a kill in the game. I'll detail the basic theory, or provide basic evidence for why it's not a plausible theory on its face.
Theory 1
Vigilante intentionally targeted Apogee1. Pretty simple.
Zeus/Mystical Might: You have a knack for manipulating the mist that helps hide the mythical monsters from mundane eyes. Each night, choose two people to target. Any action that targets one of your choices, will instead be used on the other.
Ares/Vicious Warrior: It is near impossible to escape battle with you unscathed. If you die, one person responsible is randomly killed in the process.
Hephaestus/Scanner: You invented a scanner that lets you copy the abilities you see around you. Any power used on you gives you a single charge of that power to use on future nights.
More plausibly...
Theory 2
N1 the scanner was targeted by either the Zeus/Vortexer or Dionysus/Enchanter, and then on N2 the scanner used that power in a way that happened to get the Vigilante targeting Apogee.
Hermes/Strategic Placement: You are not a fighter. More a runner. Each night choose one person to hide behind. Anyone who targets you that night will instead target the person you hid behind. Be careful though, if they die in the night, you will too.
Dionysus/Induce Madness: You are able to change people's perceptions and intentions by inducing minor madness. Choose one person and redirect who their power targets that night.
Dionysus/Enchanter intentionally made somebody target Apogee, and it turned out that person was the vigilante.
Hades/Command Spirits: You have the ability to summon and control spirits. Each night choose one dead player and gain the use of their power for the night.
Hades mimicked the dead Scum!Vortexer's power and targeted Apogee and the vigilante.
Neutrals
One of the three neutral claimants is lying about (at the very least) their power, and is either a Vortexer or an Enchanter.
These are the very basic possibilities. Let's knock out a few:
Spoiler: Shooting Down My Own StrawmenTheory 1
Vigilante intentionally targeted Apogee1. Pretty simple.
1) This game started with wolves having two kills per night, which just seems like bad game design on general principle (at least to me).
2) Xihirli's attempts to shift votes off herself was to use my death to try and convince town to lynch the vigilante...who is on Xihirli's team? And giving wolves an extra kill every night? Like, okay, a scum!vortexer is really powerful, but an extra kill controlled by scumteam trumps basically any other scumpower with the possible exception of the necromancer (who can turn lategame from a normal day to LYLO mere minutes before EoD, even if they're dead).
3) Wolves saw that Xihirli's flip would probably make people trust the vigilante a bit more (because of the above point about supposed "distancing"), and decided that the best course of action was to kill Apogee (a good choice) and specifically have the vigilante kill Apogee (an awful choice). This is wolves deciding that the wolf who just won a pile of towniecred needs to be outed to destroy the network, even though another wolf could perform the kill without risking losing that wolf (and their built-up credibility) immediately, and even though killing Apogee doesn't actually immediately kill the town network.
Conclusion
While simple on its face, this theory requires rather questionable decisions and conclusions during set-up, and a scumteam that is collectively faceplanting their way down a spiral staircase, if their decision-making abilities are any indication. While at a glance this theory look's like Occam's Razor, in reality it just requires too many weird moves by too many people to be plausible.
Theory 2
N1 the scanner was targeted by either the Zeus/Vortexer or Dionysus/Enchanter, and then on N2 the scanner used that power in a way that happened to get the Vigilante targeting Apogee.
Conclusion
Given that both possibilities require very particular scumteams to be lying in very particular ways to paint pictures they can't know for sure will be plausible after everybody else was asked for their honest feedback...I'm inclined to think that (at least for this particular N1 stuff) the feedback the network received was honest. Thus, the Scanner cannot be responsible for redirecting the vigilante kill.
Theory 3
Dionysus/Enchanter intentionally made somebody target Apogee, and it turned out that person was the vigilante.
Even if they are town, and even if they didn't know the power of the person they were targeting, not only is having a random person target Apogee a bad move, but the proper townie follow-up move would be to confess to it - because even though it would paint a giant target on you in the network's eyes, it's better for the network to know what happened than to have to create 10000 character posts like this one exhaustively going through all the possibilities to figure out who needs to die for getting the network hub killed. The network has more information than you, withholding information like this only hurts town, and is a bad move to make if you're town.
If they are town, and they knew their target was the vigilante...honestly, screw you, and screw you for lying about it afterwards. The above scenario isn't great, but it at least had some plausible deniability in the face of potential griefing accusations.
If they are scum, and didn't know their target was the vigilante, they were merely hoping to waste a townie power and lucked into making the vig kill the mason. If they are scum and they knew, it's more than just luck, it's a good play for painting the vigilante in a bad light - certainly, I can see more than a few people willing to lynch the vigilante mostly because they don't have quite as much gathered information as I do.
Conclusion
If the enchanter is a wolf, all of this makes a whole lotta sense. If the enchanter is a townie, this is a convoluted mess and they're probably griefing? I prefer to assume people are acting in good faith, so...if the Enchanter was responsible, they're probably a wolf.
Theory 4
Hades mimicked the dead Scum!Vortexer's power and targeted Apogee and the vigilante.
Trading one townie for one wolf is a bad move for scumteam unless the game is at LYLO, but there's 18 players on the board and only three neutrals at most (well, 17 at the time the claim was made so let's go with that). Even if you're assuming that all neutrals vote with wolves...if the game is to end at the start of D3, that would require the split to be 7-3-5 at start of D3, which requires it to be 9-3-5 at the time of the claim. Do you really believe this game started with 6 wolves and 3 neutrals?
Conclusion
This theory of a scum!Hades is plausible, but requires either a very weird move on flat_footed's part, or a very weird distribution and today is LYLO; we can't let a scum!Hades decide our kill today if that's the case. More likely, though, the claim is legit.
Theory 5
One of the three neutral claimants is lying about (at the very least) their power, and is either a Vortexer or an Enchanter.
1) Faking a neutral claim when either Hades could be in-play and town has a network in place is a very risky thing to attempt.
2) A neutral claiming a fake role name/power can be double-checked by the network without much difficulty.
3) One neutral claimant has been very consistent with their claim, one was the counterwagon to a wolf, and one was initially reticent in a way that makes sense given the power and wincon they've described privately.
4) Champion of Hera makes more sense as a Voider than a Vortexer, Enchanter, or Copycat. CoH would also make sense as a neutral Vigilante, but that would've given the NK a different fluff.
5) Ariadne has claimed a power that makes sense given the gamestate, and is not capable of altering targeting of others.
6) The final neutral claimant has claimed a scry/kill combo. The scry would not redirect a kill in any way, the kill is contingent on the scry results, the kill would be fluffed differently than the NK was, and the claimed scry/kill combo makes sense for the role they've claimed (and both would be easy to check).
Conclusion
If any neutral is responsible for the NK going the way it did, it would maybe be Ariadne, but I personally kinda doubt it. She's already the center of attention in town, and if she got caught having a vortex power after what happened N2, that's game over.
At the end of the day, here are our suspects:
1) Zeus/Vigilante, but only if the whole of wolf team is using their foreheads for battering rams.
2) Hephaestus/Scanner, but only if they've basically accidentally outed the entire wolf team (including the Dionysus/Enchanter).
3) The Dionysus/Enchanter.
4) Hades/Copycat, but only if wolves are dumb or today is LYLO.
5) Ariadne, but only if she has a weird power and decided to choose to back scumteam despite already having a ton of heat on her from town.
...well...
...Occam's Razor. One of these options doesn't require a weird explanation of decisions, it just requires a target-changer to have figured out who the vig is and changed targets. And oh yeah, the Dionysus/Enchanter actually admitted that she had figured out who the vig was.
Spoiler: My Early Vig TheoryJeenLeen is a neutral Champion Of Hera who wants to find/void/outlive the children of Zeus. To my mind, it makes sense to have this particular neutral role in the game if there are two children of Zeus and they're on different teams. We already have one Zeusling confirmed scum, and the above spoiler proves how N2 proves that vig can't be scum unless scumteam is basically throwing.
Another neutral has claimed Ariadne (now confirmed), who wants a child of Dionysus to survive. To my mind, it makes sense to have this particular neutral role in the game if there are two children of Dionysus and they're on different teams. N1 saw the Dionysus/Drunken Fun void Xihirli, preventing both the scum-kill and the scum-vortex, so if they're town scumteam is throwing the game. Meanwhile, N2 (as the previous spoiler explains) proves that the Dionysus/Invoke Madness player is basically guaranteed scum, at least to my mind.
N3, Invoke Madness should die and will almost certainly flip scum. If they do, that further solidifies my trust in the Vig - not just because they obeyed me and killed a wolf, but because it means the Dionysus players also line up with my theory.Last edited by AvatarVecna; 2021-06-10 at 08:11 PM.
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2021-06-10, 08:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Werewolf/Mafia: Percy Jackson
There might be only one wolf left, but there are ways to fool the scries. I'd much rather give us one more night to allow jeenleen to win. I'm pretty sure at this point it's literally impossible for the wolves to win
Rogan
No I do not believe Rogan Is the wolf that is not why I'm voting them. I believe that giving us an additional night to verify people and allow as many of the neutrals to win as possible is a good thing. Mostly because I want neutral Jeenleen to win but i don't believe at this point it harms town's chances of winning this game.Last edited by totadileplayz; 2021-06-11 at 02:13 PM.
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2021-06-10, 08:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Werewolf/Mafia: Percy Jackson
I also like the idea of JeenLeen winning, and (with the wolf-voider dead) I think the wolves winning is a scant possibility.
Rogan.
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Though, I feel I should ask... was Elenna also the person who was voided, or do you know who another wolf is because you had them voided?
Happy if you wait to answer until Night so folk still vote Rogan. I do feel bad for the wolves if EVERY NIGHT their NKer got voided.Last edited by JeenLeen; 2021-06-11 at 02:01 PM.
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2021-06-10, 09:43 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Werewolf/Mafia: Percy Jackson
I have reason to believe the wolves hit a bane. I'm willing to work with JeenLeen, but if it's all the same, I'd rather tell Rogan to target himself in the night rather than spend our lynch on a member of my towncore. I think with 5 neutrals, we're still looking at 5 wolves to start - a 11/5/5 split runs a danger of early LYLO but it requires wolves to be taking an awful risk. They'd basically have to sacrifice a wolf to get in contact with all neutrals, and then ideally they have vote manipulation and the NKs go their way. The way things are going right now? The situation is either 11/3/1 or 10/3/2, and neutrals have been working well with me.
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Re: Werewolf/Mafia: Percy Jackson
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Re: Werewolf/Mafia: Percy Jackson
*sigh* yes, AV, I know killing wolves is more important to you than helping out a neutral. Yes, I’m still going to complain about it.
That being said, it looks like I’m officially townsiding now. Sorry, wolves, but it makes basically no sense for me to help you any more.
...right, that means I have to actually try and find wolves. AV, got any likely targets for us? If not I can do some work myself but knowing me I’ll probably wagon a locktown and mess up the network’s plans.I'm writing stuff, come and read it!
Werewolf games won: 24
Werewolf games lost: 14
Games as town: 23.5
Games as neutral: 5.5
Games as wolf: 9
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