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    Quote Originally Posted by JeenLeen View Post
    Rogan, did you get a warning about someone affiliated with Hera trying to kill you?
    Curious if that was just given to the wolf-Zeusling or to both of them.
    I've had the same warning and the first thing I said in my QT with Apogee was "I have reasons to suspect a Champ of Hera is in the game"

    One of the first things I said on day 2 was "If you don't trust me, I can go and claim to Jeen so he can kill me in exchange for helping town."

    Well, not word for word, but in spirit.
    More about this at the after match party.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogan View Post
    I've had the same warning and the first thing I said in my QT with Apogee was "I have reasons to suspect a Champ of Hera is in the game"

    One of the first things I said on day 2 was "If you don't trust me, I can go and claim to Jeen so he can kill me in exchange for helping town."

    Well, not word for word, but in spirit.
    More about this at the after match party.
    That explains why Apogee was hesitant to out you D2. Makes sense.
    Sadly, I can't kill you or I definitely would have tonight (or last night. I was about 90% sure you were the vig, too )

    I sorta have some half-cocked plans for how I could not void you tonight, and the Town manage to get your kill to go through, but I just tried to make myself a pot of coffee, and accidentally left my cup out so it poured out on my office table and carpet. I think that shows how tired I am, so I'm not going to try to formulate any plans. I might give an idea or two privately to AV, for her to peruse for viability. But, uh, probably not until I'm rested.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeenLeen View Post
    That explains why Apogee was hesitant to out you D2. Makes sense.
    Sadly, I can't kill you or I definitely would have tonight (or last night. I was about 90% sure you were the vig, too )

    I sorta have some half-cocked plans for how I could not void you tonight, and the Town manage to get your kill to go through, but I just tried to make myself a pot of coffee, and accidentally left my cup out so it poured out on my office table and carpet. I think that shows how tired I am, so I'm not going to try to formulate any plans. I might give an idea or two privately to AV, for her to peruse for viability. But, uh, probably not until I'm rested.
    Well, to be honest, I was quite surprised nobody mentioned the obvious.

    Funny fact: I missed my station yesterday on my way to work. I was tired and still tried reading up on the activities here. Really should not do so.

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    My parody will be on my death, I have no reason to reveal it early.

    I hope you all enjoy~
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    Default Re: Werewolf/Mafia: Percy Jackson

    On the one hand this will be the easiest vote count so far. On the other hand, the most boring. Day 2, that was exciting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gac3 View Post
    On the one hand this will be the easiest vote count so far. On the other hand, the most boring. Day 2, that was exciting.
    Yeah, realy boring. No tie this time!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogan View Post
    Yeah, realy boring. No tie this time!
    And most likely no last second vote changes to create the tie and change the lynch and your fates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gac3 View Post
    And most likely no last second vote changes to create the tie and change the lynch and your fates.
    Is this a challenge?

    I change my vote to Rogan

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogan View Post
    Is this a challenge?

    I change my vote to Rogan
    Too bad you didn't cross out your last one.

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    Rogan (1): Jeenleen
    Bladescape (13): Cape, Totadileplayz, Elenna, Zelphas, Snowblaze, Valmark, Murska, Book Wombat, Rogue_Alchemist, libro, Rogan, Mornshine,



    "Hey guys. Zeus's kid killed another one."
    "We should kill him!"
    "Or we can kill this guy over here. I didn't see him do anything, but a ghost told me he was totally the bad guy."
    "Look! I know a ghost told him I was a bad guy, but I swear I'm not."
    "Okay, then we kill that guy and kill Zeus's kid later."
    "Oh crap! That one we buried the other day just showed up!"
    "I'm back guys!"
    "Okay guys. I'm innocent but please listen to my death ballad!"

    And the rest of the day passed in peace as songs were sung and written in preparation for another death. At the end of the song, the one thing everyone knew for sure, was Bladescape was not a child of Apollo.

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    One lie more
    Another claim, another questioning
    This never-ending road to networking
    These men who now have scried my guilt
    Will surely vote me all full tilt
    One lie more

    I have survived cause I behave
    How can I live when you've scried me?

    One lie more

    Tomorrow I'll be in the grave
    And yet AV's life has just started

    One more vote all on the flow

    Will I ever claim again?

    One more vote with town not caring
    I was trained to lie to you

    What a life I must let go

    And I swear it will be true

    But he never trusted me

    One more vote pushing my wagon
    Do I lie or gather claims,
    As the dead let AV rise,
    Shall I leave my brothers here?
    When the town is like a dragon,
    Do I stand and do I dare?
    Will you place your vote on me?

    The time is now
    The votes are here

    One lie more

    One lie more to see the dead chat
    We will arrive in post-haste
    We'll be crying like the fool boys
    Watching town as it is cased

    One lie more

    Watch me run amuck
    Catch me as I fall
    Never know your luck
    When there's a seer vig'd call
    Here a little claim
    There a little lie
    Apogee was a goner
    Until I got scried

    One vote to a new beginning
    Raise the claims of village high
    Every man will be full clear
    Every man will be full clear
    There's a new camp for the winning
    There's a new camp to be won
    Do you hear the lynch bell ring?

    My place is there
    I died for you

    One lie more

    I will join these people's heroes
    I will laugh at this whole show
    I will learn their little secrets
    I will know the things they know

    One lie more

    Watch me run amuck
    Catch me as I fall
    Never know your luck
    When you make the call

    We'll be ready for the voters
    Tomorrow I'll be far away
    Tomorrow is town's judgement day

    Tomorrow we'll discover
    What my wolfing buddies have in store
    One more try
    One more lie
    One lie more


    Bladescape has died. They were a child of Hephaestus. Wolf

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    Bladescape:
    Hephaestus: You have knack for invention and crafting, much like your father.
    Scanner: You invented a scanner that lets you copy the abilities you see around you. Any power used on you gives you a single charge of that power to use on future nights.


    Your scanner has picked up the following Abilities: (I don't feel like looking up the names so I'm going to do my best remembering and we can clarify if needed): The gift of Prophecy (Apollo), Healing Waters (Poseidon), Strategic Placement (Hermes), Light of Foot (Hermes), Drunken Fun (Dionysus), and an additional power not listed which allows you to target someone to see if they are a child of Zeus (if they are you will be told and they will not be able to take an action that night)


    Night 3 Begins It will end in 24 hours

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    And yes I know the AV line puts it slightly out of meter if you don't rush through it but it works okay?
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    I've got a few conversations going before I let people know who they need to target. Need to get all my ducks in a row, yknow.


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    Quote Originally Posted by gac3 View Post
    Too bad you didn't cross out your last one.

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    One lie more
    Another claim, another questioning
    This never-ending road to networking
    These men who now have scried my guilt
    Will surely vote me all full tilt
    One lie more

    I have survived cause I behave
    How can I live when you've scried me?

    One lie more

    Tomorrow I'll be in the grave
    And yet AV's life has just started

    One more vote all on the flow

    Will I ever claim again?

    One more vote with town not caring
    I was trained to lie to you

    What a life I must let go

    And I swear it will be true

    But he never trusted me

    One more vote pushing my wagon
    Do I lie or gather claims,
    As the dead let AV rise,
    Shall I leave my brothers here?
    When the town is like a dragon,
    Do I stand and do I dare?
    Will you place your vote on me?

    The time is now
    The votes are here

    One lie more

    One lie more to see the dead chat
    We will arrive in post-haste
    We'll be crying like the fool boys
    Watching town as it is cased

    One lie more

    Watch me run amuck
    Catch me as I fall
    Never know your luck
    When there's a seer vig'd call
    Here a little claim
    There a little lie
    Apogee was a goner
    Until I got scried

    One vote to a new beginning
    Raise the claims of village high
    Every man will be full clear
    Every man will be full clear
    There's a new camp for the winning
    There's a new camp to be won
    Do you hear the lynch bell ring?

    My place is there
    I died for you

    One lie more

    I will join these people's heroes
    I will laugh at this whole show
    I will learn their little secrets
    I will know the things they know

    One lie more

    Watch me run amuck
    Catch me as I fall
    Never know your luck
    When you make the call

    We'll be ready for the voters
    Tomorrow I'll be far away
    Tomorrow is town's judgement day

    Tomorrow we'll discover
    What my wolfing buddies have in store
    One more try
    One more lie
    One lie more
    I knew I had forgotten something...

    *sniff*
    Such a beautiful song. But you really should have asked someone to join you. It's a song for an whole ensemble, a single voice is not enough.

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    Default Re: Werewolf/Mafia: Percy Jackson

    I will say this from a rp standpoint the kids are insane. Literally never killed the actual known killer instead random other kids that were somehow sus in terms of the story the kids are monsters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by totadileplayz View Post
    I will say this from a rp standpoint the kids are insane. Literally never killed the actual known killer instead random other kids that were somehow sus in terms of the story the kids are monsters.
    Well.... The killer was not 100% known till today. And today there was someone else who admitted he was evil. So, they are not as bad as you make them. Now please excuse me, I have some killing to do!
    And I need some sleep

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    Quote Originally Posted by bladescape View Post
    And yes I know the AV line puts it sligfhtly out of meter if you don't rush through it but it works okay?
    Maybe "has just now started" instead?
    I'm Chaotic Good! Ish!

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    Did AV get a scry result from her power use N1? Not asking what it is, but curious how that paned out and asking now that she's back alive. Presumably it could have been relayed via the deadchat, if AV trusted the person who revived her to be Town prior to the rez.

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    Your scanner has picked up the following Abilities: (I don't feel like looking up the names so I'm going to do my best remembering and we can clarify if needed): The gift of Prophecy (Apollo), Healing Waters (Poseidon), Strategic Placement (Hermes), Light of Foot (Hermes), Drunken Fun (Dionysus), and an additional power not listed which allows you to target someone to see if they are a child of Zeus (if they are you will be told and they will not be able to take an action that night)
    Note it did verify what my power is. Thanks, gac3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeenLeen View Post
    Did AV get a scry result from her power use N1? Not asking what it is, but curious how that paned out and asking now that she's back alive. Presumably it could have been relayed via the deadchat, if AV trusted the person who revived her to be Town prior to the rez.
    Yes, I got a scry result N1.

    I didnt' share it with the necromancer prior to being rezzed, on account of not being 100% sure they were on my team.


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    So, while we are waiting for the night to end, I used my time for some thought experiment:

    We have had two nights with only one kill. How many deaths would be possible in one night?

    If the scanner where alive, I think the answer would be at least 5, maybe even 6.

    1. One kill by Lightning
    2. One kill by the wolves
    3. One kill by the scanner, after he survived lightning before
    4. One kill by the vicious Ares
    5. One death by strategic placement

    The booster could create another kill, depending on his target and the interaction between them.

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    1.25 hours til night is over, don't forget your actions!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rogue_alchemist View Post
    1.25 hours til night is over, don't forget your actions!
    As if I'd let them.

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    Towncore is up and running, and has my stuff in private nontowncore chats as well. Here's hoping I'm still around to run things, though.


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    Everyone has given me actions. Still 20ish minutes to change them but I have something from everyone.

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    That's good to hear.


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    End of Night 3

    There is more song writing throughout the night and much excitement. People running around as much as normal. There is once again laughter, lights, and finally the crack of thunder. Once again you find a single body, coursing with electricity. The pattern has become comforting to those who have accepted that at least it means they are alive.

    Elenna has died. They were a child of Dionysus. Wolf.

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    Elenna:
    Dionysus: You can be quite a lot of fun at parties, able to induce drunkenness or madness among those around you.
    Induce Madness: You are able to change people's perceptions and intentions by inducing minor madness. Choose one person and redirect who their power targets that night.


    Begin Day 4 48 hours.

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    Well, that's fortunate. Redirected wolf night kill?

    Wait, nevermind. Just read the flavor text now. Seems like Zeus finally got their aim down.

    Ok, so what happened to the wolf kill then?
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    Quote Originally Posted by flat_footed View Post
    Well, that's fortunate. Redirected wolf night kill?
    No. Because Rogan is not a wolf and N2 proved it.

    I had most of this typed up before I was even rezzed. I held off on posting it to avoid tipping my hand and showing that I didn't trust Elenna even a tiny little bit until after I'd arranged for her murder by lightning. Which has gone off without a hitch, it seems. Anyway:

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    Anybody who seriously thinks the vig is a wolf at this point is out of their mind. We just need to logic it out. First, let's figure out the roles that could be responsible for a Zeus-flavored kill taking out Apogee1.

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    Here is every way to get a kill in the game. I'll detail the basic theory, or provide basic evidence for why it's not a plausible theory on its face.

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    Zeus/Lightning Control: You can manipulate the pure electric power of your father. Each night you may choose one person to kill with your lightning.
    Theory 1

    Vigilante intentionally targeted Apogee1. Pretty simple.

    Zeus/Mystical Might: You have a knack for manipulating the mist that helps hide the mythical monsters from mundane eyes. Each night, choose two people to target. Any action that targets one of your choices, will instead be used on the other.
    This theory isn't possible because the Scum!Vortexer is dead.

    Ares/Vicious Warrior: It is near impossible to escape battle with you unscathed. If you die, one person responsible is randomly killed in the process.
    This theory isn't possible, both because the kill fluff wouldn't be indicating Zeus, and because we would have a second body.

    Hephaestus/Scanner: You invented a scanner that lets you copy the abilities you see around you. Any power used on you gives you a single charge of that power to use on future nights.
    A version of this theory isn't possible. Even in the weird scenarios where the Scanner would have a kill power available to use, it would be fluffed as a Hephaestus kill, not a Zeus kill.

    More plausibly...

    Theory 2

    N1 the scanner was targeted by either the Zeus/Vortexer or Dionysus/Enchanter, and then on N2 the scanner used that power in a way that happened to get the Vigilante targeting Apogee.

    Hermes/Strategic Placement: You are not a fighter. More a runner. Each night choose one person to hide behind. Anyone who targets you that night will instead target the person you hid behind. Be careful though, if they die in the night, you will too.
    This theory isn't possible. Any scenario that would kill Apogee would also kill the Hermes hiding behind Apogee. Any scenario where the Hermes behind Apogee would survive, Apogee would survive as well.

    Dionysus/Induce Madness: You are able to change people's perceptions and intentions by inducing minor madness. Choose one person and redirect who their power targets that night.
    Theory 3

    Dionysus/Enchanter intentionally made somebody target Apogee, and it turned out that person was the vigilante.

    Hades/Command Spirits: You have the ability to summon and control spirits. Each night choose one dead player and gain the use of their power for the night.
    Theory 4

    Hades mimicked the dead Scum!Vortexer's power and targeted Apogee and the vigilante.

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    Theory 5

    One of the three neutral claimants is lying about (at the very least) their power, and is either a Vortexer or an Enchanter.


    These are the very basic possibilities. Let's knock out a few:

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    Theory 1

    Vigilante intentionally targeted Apogee1. Pretty simple.
    Town vigilante does not do this, period. Thus, this theory is only plausible if vigilante is scum. If vigilante is scum, that means three things:

    1) This game started with wolves having two kills per night, which just seems like bad game design on general principle (at least to me).

    2) Xihirli's attempts to shift votes off herself was to use my death to try and convince town to lynch the vigilante...who is on Xihirli's team? And giving wolves an extra kill every night? Like, okay, a scum!vortexer is really powerful, but an extra kill controlled by scumteam trumps basically any other scumpower with the possible exception of the necromancer (who can turn lategame from a normal day to LYLO mere minutes before EoD, even if they're dead).

    3) Wolves saw that Xihirli's flip would probably make people trust the vigilante a bit more (because of the above point about supposed "distancing"), and decided that the best course of action was to kill Apogee (a good choice) and specifically have the vigilante kill Apogee (an awful choice). This is wolves deciding that the wolf who just won a pile of towniecred needs to be outed to destroy the network, even though another wolf could perform the kill without risking losing that wolf (and their built-up credibility) immediately, and even though killing Apogee doesn't actually immediately kill the town network.

    Conclusion

    While simple on its face, this theory requires rather questionable decisions and conclusions during set-up, and a scumteam that is collectively faceplanting their way down a spiral staircase, if their decision-making abilities are any indication. While at a glance this theory look's like Occam's Razor, in reality it just requires too many weird moves by too many people to be plausible.

    Theory 2

    N1 the scanner was targeted by either the Zeus/Vortexer or Dionysus/Enchanter, and then on N2 the scanner used that power in a way that happened to get the Vigilante targeting Apogee.
    N1, the Zeus/Vortexer was voided, unless both the voider and the vortexer were scumbuddies together and lying for...no real gain, in a way that would be very easy to check by talking to the network at large? On N1, the Dionysus/Enchanter claims to have targeted somebody besides the scanner, and the scanner did not claim to have been enchanted. Given power feedback gathered from the network of private chats, this either means that both the Enchanter and the Scanner are telling the truth, or that both of them (and two other players) are all scumteam together and were coordinating their N1 feedback lies in the network.

    Conclusion

    Given that both possibilities require very particular scumteams to be lying in very particular ways to paint pictures they can't know for sure will be plausible after everybody else was asked for their honest feedback...I'm inclined to think that (at least for this particular N1 stuff) the feedback the network received was honest. Thus, the Scanner cannot be responsible for redirecting the vigilante kill.

    Theory 3

    Dionysus/Enchanter intentionally made somebody target Apogee, and it turned out that person was the vigilante.
    This is another simple one: the enchanter targeted the vigilante (whether on purpose or by accident) and had them intentionally target Apogee1. The enchanter, incidentally, has claimed they targeted somebody else.

    Even if they are town, and even if they didn't know the power of the person they were targeting, not only is having a random person target Apogee a bad move, but the proper townie follow-up move would be to confess to it - because even though it would paint a giant target on you in the network's eyes, it's better for the network to know what happened than to have to create 10000 character posts like this one exhaustively going through all the possibilities to figure out who needs to die for getting the network hub killed. The network has more information than you, withholding information like this only hurts town, and is a bad move to make if you're town.

    If they are town, and they knew their target was the vigilante...honestly, screw you, and screw you for lying about it afterwards. The above scenario isn't great, but it at least had some plausible deniability in the face of potential griefing accusations.

    If they are scum, and didn't know their target was the vigilante, they were merely hoping to waste a townie power and lucked into making the vig kill the mason. If they are scum and they knew, it's more than just luck, it's a good play for painting the vigilante in a bad light - certainly, I can see more than a few people willing to lynch the vigilante mostly because they don't have quite as much gathered information as I do.

    Conclusion

    If the enchanter is a wolf, all of this makes a whole lotta sense. If the enchanter is a townie, this is a convoluted mess and they're probably griefing? I prefer to assume people are acting in good faith, so...if the Enchanter was responsible, they're probably a wolf.

    Theory 4

    Hades mimicked the dead Scum!Vortexer's power and targeted Apogee and the vigilante.
    Another fairly simple one. Without going through all the possibilities: if Hades did this as town, they're essentially griefing; if Hades did this as scum, it makes some sense, but also has one little weirdness: this particular role was not claimed prior to today, and the Hades/Copycat claim was made as an attempt to "catch a wolf". If Hades/Copycat is on scumteam, they essentially outed themselves - today we lynch bladescape, tomorrow we lynch flat_footed, easy-peasy.

    Trading one townie for one wolf is a bad move for scumteam unless the game is at LYLO, but there's 18 players on the board and only three neutrals at most (well, 17 at the time the claim was made so let's go with that). Even if you're assuming that all neutrals vote with wolves...if the game is to end at the start of D3, that would require the split to be 7-3-5 at start of D3, which requires it to be 9-3-5 at the time of the claim. Do you really believe this game started with 6 wolves and 3 neutrals?

    Conclusion

    This theory of a scum!Hades is plausible, but requires either a very weird move on flat_footed's part, or a very weird distribution and today is LYLO; we can't let a scum!Hades decide our kill today if that's the case. More likely, though, the claim is legit.

    Theory 5

    One of the three neutral claimants is lying about (at the very least) their power, and is either a Vortexer or an Enchanter.
    Before we get into anything else, I'll just point out that we're still at a point where neutrals are still figuring out which side they want to work with (assuming they ever actually pick a side).

    1) Faking a neutral claim when either Hades could be in-play and town has a network in place is a very risky thing to attempt.

    2) A neutral claiming a fake role name/power can be double-checked by the network without much difficulty.

    3) One neutral claimant has been very consistent with their claim, one was the counterwagon to a wolf, and one was initially reticent in a way that makes sense given the power and wincon they've described privately.

    4) Champion of Hera makes more sense as a Voider than a Vortexer, Enchanter, or Copycat. CoH would also make sense as a neutral Vigilante, but that would've given the NK a different fluff.

    5) Ariadne has claimed a power that makes sense given the gamestate, and is not capable of altering targeting of others.

    6) The final neutral claimant has claimed a scry/kill combo. The scry would not redirect a kill in any way, the kill is contingent on the scry results, the kill would be fluffed differently than the NK was, and the claimed scry/kill combo makes sense for the role they've claimed (and both would be easy to check).

    Conclusion

    If any neutral is responsible for the NK going the way it did, it would maybe be Ariadne, but I personally kinda doubt it. She's already the center of attention in town, and if she got caught having a vortex power after what happened N2, that's game over.


    At the end of the day, here are our suspects:

    1) Zeus/Vigilante, but only if the whole of wolf team is using their foreheads for battering rams.

    2) Hephaestus/Scanner, but only if they've basically accidentally outed the entire wolf team (including the Dionysus/Enchanter).

    3) The Dionysus/Enchanter.

    4) Hades/Copycat, but only if wolves are dumb or today is LYLO.

    5) Ariadne, but only if she has a weird power and decided to choose to back scumteam despite already having a ton of heat on her from town.

    ...well...

    ...Occam's Razor. One of these options doesn't require a weird explanation of decisions, it just requires a target-changer to have figured out who the vig is and changed targets. And oh yeah, the Dionysus/Enchanter actually admitted that she had figured out who the vig was.


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    JeenLeen is a neutral Champion Of Hera who wants to find/void/outlive the children of Zeus. To my mind, it makes sense to have this particular neutral role in the game if there are two children of Zeus and they're on different teams. We already have one Zeusling confirmed scum, and the above spoiler proves how N2 proves that vig can't be scum unless scumteam is basically throwing.

    Another neutral has claimed Ariadne (now confirmed), who wants a child of Dionysus to survive. To my mind, it makes sense to have this particular neutral role in the game if there are two children of Dionysus and they're on different teams. N1 saw the Dionysus/Drunken Fun void Xihirli, preventing both the scum-kill and the scum-vortex, so if they're town scumteam is throwing the game. Meanwhile, N2 (as the previous spoiler explains) proves that the Dionysus/Invoke Madness player is basically guaranteed scum, at least to my mind.

    N3, Invoke Madness should die and will almost certainly flip scum. If they do, that further solidifies my trust in the Vig - not just because they obeyed me and killed a wolf, but because it means the Dionysus players also line up with my theory.
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    There might be only one wolf left, but there are ways to fool the scries. I'd much rather give us one more night to allow jeenleen to win. I'm pretty sure at this point it's literally impossible for the wolves to win

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    No I do not believe Rogan Is the wolf that is not why I'm voting them. I believe that giving us an additional night to verify people and allow as many of the neutrals to win as possible is a good thing. Mostly because I want neutral Jeenleen to win but i don't believe at this point it harms town's chances of winning this game.
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    I also like the idea of JeenLeen winning, and (with the wolf-voider dead) I think the wolves winning is a scant possibility.
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    Though, I feel I should ask... was Elenna also the person who was voided, or do you know who another wolf is because you had them voided?
    Happy if you wait to answer until Night so folk still vote Rogan. I do feel bad for the wolves if EVERY NIGHT their NKer got voided.
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    I have reason to believe the wolves hit a bane. I'm willing to work with JeenLeen, but if it's all the same, I'd rather tell Rogan to target himself in the night rather than spend our lynch on a member of my towncore. I think with 5 neutrals, we're still looking at 5 wolves to start - a 11/5/5 split runs a danger of early LYLO but it requires wolves to be taking an awful risk. They'd basically have to sacrifice a wolf to get in contact with all neutrals, and then ideally they have vote manipulation and the NKs go their way. The way things are going right now? The situation is either 11/3/1 or 10/3/2, and neutrals have been working well with me.


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    Quote Originally Posted by AvatarVecna View Post
    I have reason to believe the wolves hit a bane. I'm willing to work with JeenLeen, but if it's all the same, I'd rather tell Rogan to target himself in the night rather than spend our lynch on a member of my towncore. I think with 5 neutrals, we're still looking at 5 wolves to start - a 11/5/5 split runs a danger of early LYLO but it requires wolves to be taking an awful risk. They'd basically have to sacrifice a wolf to get in contact with all neutrals, and then ideally they have vote manipulation and the NKs go their way. The way things are going right now? The situation is either 11/3/1 or 10/3/2, and neutrals have been working well with me.
    That is by no large means a guarantee and Gac should be smart enough to realize a potential lylo day 1 is a bad move no matter how it would be contrived. You saying there might be 2 wolves, doesn't negate the possibility there might be only one wolf.

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    *sigh* yes, AV, I know killing wolves is more important to you than helping out a neutral. Yes, Iím still going to complain about it.

    That being said, it looks like Iím officially townsiding now. Sorry, wolves, but it makes basically no sense for me to help you any more.

    ...right, that means I have to actually try and find wolves. AV, got any likely targets for us? If not I can do some work myself but knowing me Iíll probably wagon a locktown and mess up the networkís plans.
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