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    Alright while it doesn't dismiss the possibility I could have nk'd AV myself it does disprove the idea that Murska is deception with me as their partner entirely because I knew about the event in place.

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    I also have to say that AV should have arranged the situation where Flat_Footed was hiding behind AV. Seeing as how you two were the biggest threats to the wolves.

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    Trusting Murska worked out great!
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    A Murska without lies is like a day without sunshine.
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    I say we completely leave our fate in the hands of the trustworthy Murska and continue in complete safety.

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    One thing I did not expect was Rogan as Town-Core

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    Quote Originally Posted by flat_footed View Post
    On mobile, don't have much time but will cut to the fat:

    There was a concern I or the doctor would be hit with a night kill. The 'redirection' was me hiding behind the good Doctor so that his bane covered us both. Looks like AVs gamble lost last night.

    Will reply with more this evening, got a Spanish book to read. What's the phrase I'm looking for? Oh, right. Necesito leer un libro.
    Flat, if you can, please contact me in private. I would like to know the what AV had planned together with you. AVs paranoia is a bit limiting for the Network. There are infos AV had that we don't have.

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    One thing I did not expect was Rogan as Town-Core
    Oh, I was surprised as well when I received the invitation. But AV had shared her thoughts about me, both in private and in public. And yet, while I have more information than most, there are still some things I don't know. AV was very careful about sharing secrets. Which was fine while she was alive, but now it might hurt us.

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    I suspect there is naught I can say to sway everyone from their current course.

    I can verify Mornshine is the other child of Demeter.

    JeenLeen

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    Quote Originally Posted by Libro View Post
    I suspect there is naught I can say to sway everyone from their current course.

    I can verify Mornshine is the other child of Demeter.

    JeenLeen

    Iíll be in the woods over that way ->
    I mean, everyone lined up against you pretty quick so if you're bad someone bussed early. If you're town, it would help to have some reads on who is good/evil it could help us going forward.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Libro View Post
    I suspect there is naught I can say to sway everyone from their current course.

    I can verify Mornshine is the other child of Demeter.

    JeenLeen

    Iíll be in the woods over that way ->
    Why Jeen out of everybody?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaoimhinTheCape View Post
    I mean, everyone lined up against you pretty quick so if you're bad someone bussed early. If you're town, it would help to have some reads on who is good/evil it could help us going forward.


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    There is a problem with your first statement Libro could be the last wolf thus no real bussing was involved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by totadileplayz View Post
    There is a problem with your first statement Libro could be the last wolf thus no real bussing was involved.
    If Libro is the last wolf Town wins unless they're the Hard to Kill Child of Ares (unlikely) and your post doesn't matter at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Book Wombat View Post
    If Libro is the last wolf Town wins unless they're the Hard to Kill Child of Ares (unlikely) and your post doesn't matter at all.
    Not in a game winning sense no. But in a consideration of all possibilities yes. I am simply saying while it's good to be kept in mind it is by no means that any bussing actually happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Book Wombat View Post
    If Libro is the last wolf Town wins unless they're the Hard to Kill Child of Ares (unlikely) and your post doesn't matter at all.
    Since there is a strong claim for Hard to Kill already, I honestly can't see a world where Libro is both hard to kill and the last wolf.
    In addition to this, I think Libro would have surrendered by now if he really is the last wolf.

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    As you walk towards the patch of woods Libro was hiding in, you see a flash of light and feel a wave of heat.

    You come to a scorched clearing, with a body barely recognizable as the son of Athena you sought. A towering, cloaked figure stands aflame, with a mask and staff of wrought iron.

    A hymn of hellfire,
    a dirge for the damned.
    A ballad for the broken
    of this forsaken land.
    An ode to the ruin
    forged by my hand.


    I am Kossath the Infernal Duke, Sovereign of Hellfire, Incinerator of Angels and Bearer of the Molten Tome.

    The end comes for the gods of old.
    To be usurped by the new and the bold.
    If we can breach the wards here,
    you wonít be safe, far nor near.
    From the heights of heaven to the depths of hell,
    consider this your warning bell.


    With a strike of their staff upon the ground Kossath is consumed by a pillar of fire. After the flame fades you can see a circle of runes burned into the ground.

    Well. That was certainly a (literal) hell of a distraction. "Rest in peace, Libro," she whispered. Turned. And ran. She had a few seconds' start at least. A song rose unbidden to her lips. She'd been spending too much time with children of Apollo.

    Gotta keep one jump ahead of the network
    One lie ahead of my doom
    I fake only what I canít reveal
    And that's everything!

    One lie ahead of the gallows
    Thatís all, and to be crude
    You guys donít appreciate Iím screwed."

    Snowblaze! Liar!
    Wolfy! Kill her!

    "Just a small mistake, guys..."
    We should burn her at the stake, guys

    "Gotta take a hint, gotta face the facts
    I could use a friend or two" True!
    Oh itís sad Snowblaze messed up her claiming
    Sheís become the one weíve got to kill
    Now sheíll have to take our blaming

    "Gotta live to win, gotta lie to live
    Tell you all about it when it fits the bill

    One jump ahead of the network
    One skip ahead of the blame
    Next time, Iím gonna find a better claim

    One jump ahead of the scriers
    One lie ahead of the town
    I think Iíll take a nice sit down"

    Neutral! Slayer!
    Outrage! Kill her!

    "Donít have too much hatred"
    Still that deer was rather sacred
    "Gotta eat to live, gotta kill to eat
    Otherwise weíd get along!"
    Wrong!

    "Iíd better run!

    One jump ahead of the Hunter"
    Wolfy!
    "One lie ahead of the town"
    Slayer!
    "One trick ahead of disaster"
    Villain!
    "Theyíre quick, but Iím much faster"
    Take that!
    "Here goes.
    Better throw my hand in
    Wish me happy landing
    All I gotta do is jump."

    She misjudged the leap. They were on her within seconds. "Sometimes..." whispered Snowblaze, daughter of Aphrodite, her disguise slipping from her fragile form, "it's just way too... crazy."

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    Yup, this is utterly hopeless. We surrender.

    I was Deceptive Appearance if my death scene doesn't make that clear.

    I do genuinely feel bad for Zelphas, knowing my odds were pretty low. But it bought me enough time to kill AV, which made it worthwhile.

    More thoughts to follow tomorrow.

    I have returned.

    Werewolf games won: 8
    Werewolf games lost: 5
    Games as town: 8
    Games as neutral: 2
    Games as wolf: 3
    Games narrated: 1
    Deaths: 6

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    So day 2 was nai

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    @Snow, nice RP.
    And well played Day 2. Too bad the alternative target was a wolf as well.

    I hope Gac will write a post as well.

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    You can't say the neutral strat doesn't work in games like these look at Snowblaze most people gave her the credence of Snowblaze being a neutral.

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    Sup guys!

    It's me, "Always a Wolf" Xihirli. I just wanna ask Jeen if he knows what being Neutral even means.
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    If Xi and I agree some more, I will start to doubt my own alignment!
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    I still prefer to see you as the dagger hanging over us all, Xi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xihirli View Post
    Sup guys!

    It's me, "Always a Wolf" Xihirli. I just wanna ask Jeen if he knows what being Neutral even means.
    The game hasn't ended until gac is online.

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    Quote Originally Posted by totadileplayz View Post
    You can't say the neutral strat doesn't work in games like these look at Snowblaze most people gave her the credence of Snowblaze being a neutral.
    Yeah. Last thing I know, AV had Snow as Neutral.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogan View Post
    Yeah. Last thing I know, AV had Snow as Neutral.
    We had every reason to be suspicious of her and we never would have lynched her if her wolf team could have kept up with their personal night kills.

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    Quote Originally Posted by totadileplayz View Post
    We had every reason to be suspicious of her and we never would have lynched her if her wolf team could have kept up with their personal night kills.
    I have to admit, she was really successful at avoiding death.

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    The first half of the RP was Libroís - and bladescape inspired me to write my own song. Iím still wondering how I didnít die day two, or get shot by Zelphas night three. I guess Iím just that lucky, albeit in a way that backfired on my partners!
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    Werewolf games won: 8
    Werewolf games lost: 5
    Games as town: 8
    Games as neutral: 2
    Games as wolf: 3
    Games narrated: 1
    Deaths: 6

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogan View Post
    I have to admit, she was really successful at avoiding death.
    That being said I do wish we could have helped jeenleen win. In fact since Libro would have flipped wolf then tonight would have been a good night for you to have killed yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by totadileplayz View Post
    That being said I do wish we could have helped jeenleen win. In fact since Libro would have flipped wolf then tonight would have been a good night for you to have killed yourself.
    Yeah, Jeen deserves a victory.
    For not getting killed night 1 by a stupid decision from my side. But hey, killing AV somehow worked out for town. A seer you know you can trust is quite useful.
    But it wouldn't have worked out if the Highway to Hades was not town. So I definitely can't claim my kill as a part of a great plan.

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    AvatarVecna: Towncore
    Reason: Narrator-confirmed.

    Book Wombat: Towncore
    Reason: Voided Xihirli N1, blocking both scum!vortex and scum!kill. If BW is scum, scumteam was throwing the game.

    CaoimhinTheCape: Towncore
    Reason: Scried as town. The four final votecounts confirm CaoimhinTheCape as Apollo/Smiles Like Sunshine, and thus cannot be Aphrodite/Deceptive Appearance. It's theoretically possible that flat_footed vortexed my scry despite not knowing who my scry was aimed at, but this would require remaining scumteam to be CaoimhinTheCape/flat_footed/Libro, and that would make 6 total wolves which feels like way too much. Occam's Razor says that Cao must be town.

    flat_footed: Lock Town
    Reason: Used a scry power on bladescape, and then outed bladescape as scum (whose death confirms the scry use). The only other person who can scry like that is me and I didn't scry bladescape so it must have been flat_footed. For flat_footed to be scum, you have to seriously consider that scumteam who has lost a single member of their team, and just had their scanner get targeted by four powers in the night, decides that the best move here is to have flat_footed waste a power on scrying his scumbuddy instead of stealing a QT or vortexing some townies, and then out his scumbuddy as scum so that the three neutral claimants can get in touch with wolves. Sacrificing a scanner in that good a position, when scumteam isn't in that bad a position, and spending a power you don't have to, just to get in touch with neutrals? Occam's Razor.

    Jeenleen: Lock Neutral
    Reason: Xihirli's narrator-confirmed role includes text to the effect that there is a Champion Of Hera in play, which the other child of Zeus has indicated they also received. The role definitely exists within the game, and given there are no counterclaims to JeenLeen's despite days and days to have done so, and given how every move JeenLeen has made has been transparently in pursuit of that goal, it's difficult to imagine any scenario where he is lying about this neutral claim.

    Libro: Lock Scum
    Reason: In the Libro/Apogee1 QT chat, Libro posted at 7:41am (a short quick message). 2 minutes later, in the JeenLeen/bladescape QT chat, the anonymous wolf contact for JeenLeen posted (a short quick message). One possible explanation is that a scum who is not Libro has been camping both chats for hours, waiting for Libro to post in his chat with me so he can make a post in the neutral/scum chat within minutes of Libro's post, thus framing the innocent Libro. There's two people this could theoretically be (MornShine or flat_footed), but frankly given how long they'd have to keep refreshing the page to ready this particular red herring, I doubt anybody would be trying to pull a deception like this. The other possible explanation is that Libro is scum and didn't realize I had access to the neutral/scum chat. Is being voided tonight.

    MornShine: Strong Scum
    Reason: On the one hand, MornShine is the other Demeter sibling. On the other hand, both the AV/MornShine chat and basically every single QT set up by Apogee has about a half-dozen too many unique views. In my mind, that's either MornShine sharing the links with scumbuddies (which would explain a few times in the mid-game where scum plans seemed to change to counter my plans), or Apogee sharing the links with deadchat for some reason. I can't rule the latter out, particularly because it would be a nice gesture to Batcathat to share QTs like that where the living can't know for sure if they have the QTs or not, but this is the reason the mason isn't in towncore. Another mark against them: ever since I basically cut ties with them out of paranoia, they've not said anything publicly or privately, despite previous level of activity in private. MornShine is being scried and followed tonight. I'm sure given all the information town would have from this post and from power results, the towncore could figure out if MornShine is legit or not.

    Murska: Strong Town
    Reason: Scried N1 as town. Could be Aphrodite/Deceptive Appearance, has claimed Ares/Hard To Kill. Libro claims to have scried Murska as Ares, but if scumteam is Libro/Murska that could be coordinated lying. If Murska is an Ares, then he is town. So I'm having Rogan shoot him tonight; if he survives, then Murska is Towncore. I mean...okay there's the possibility that the scumteam is Libro/Murska/baner, but that would be 6 scum which feels like too much, but this explanation also requires that scumteam has had the baner every night, knowing when I'm baned and not baned, and hasn't targeted me. for the sake of...getting town to trust them? And as the below will show, "baner who never blocks a kill" isn't exactly winning town points with me just for being cooperative. In any case, if Murska and Rogan both die, it's because Murska lied to me about his power just for the same of getting another dead townie, in which case he'd be confirmed scum.

    Rogan: Towncore
    Reason: D2 was an argument between the scum!vortexer and the vig about whether the vig should die or not. These arguments do not feel like scum/scum. Additionally, the scum!vortexer was lynched and flipped scum, making vig look much better due to being the target of the dead wolf's ire. For Rogan to be scum, scumteam would have to look at this situation and decide that the best option on N2 would be for the essentially-in-the-clear vigilante to shoot the network hub, in a way that would be obvious to everybody that the vig was responsible for the kill. Furthermore, on N3, Rogan shot Elenna, who flipped scum.

    rogue_alchemist: Weak Scum
    Reason: D2, claimed to have targeted AvatarVecna, but received results as if they targeted themselves. Elenna privately claimed to have redirected RA to target Valmark. Valmark is the Hermes/Strategic Placement, who was hiding behind rogue_alchemist. This is a plausible series of events, but not the only plausible theory: maybe instead, RA targeted Valmark initially, but targeted themselves instead. Wolfteam has two of the three vortexers, so deduces that Valmark must be the third. Wolves have RA publicly claim to have been vortexed, and then have another wolf privately claim to the network to have vortexed RA into targeting Valmark instead of AV. Now they've got two wolves who both got to use their powers, and their making use of the wasted track as a way to build towncred for at least one of them.

    Additionally, bladescape died with a track on them. Thus, rogue_alchemist should know that their track got redirected to bladescape. Book Wombat claimed voider (which town collectively figured was a towncore role), claimed to have targeted Valmark N2 and been redirected to bladescape (like RA was redirected the same night, when targeting the same person), mentioned an early subtle claim, and nobody counterclaimed the voider claim. After all this, rogue_alchemist comes into private chat with me with the theory that Book Wombat is maybe the scanner, on account of targeting Xihirli then bladescape (by accident), then Elenna. It looks bad, until you realize that bladescape didn't have a Booster power on them when they died, which they would have if this theory is correct, and rogue_alchemist should know that because checking that kinda thing is how you would gather evidence for a theory like this, and then realize it's not viable when you can't find any. On the one hand, it stinks of scum desperately trying to get me to lynch my voider; on the other hand, it could just be sloppy town play. Neither of these cases means much on their own, but collectively it makes me lean scum on RA, and less trusting of what they tell me.

    Shal06: Towncore
    Reason: Necromancer who passed along every message I gave them dutifully, and later rezzed me. If Shal06 is scum, scum threw the game, full stop.

    Snowblaze: Lock Neutral
    Reason: Zelphas is confirmed as Hunter Of Artemis. Snowblaze is the only person who has claimed to be hunted, even after Zelphas' goal became narrator-confirmed public information. The biggest mark against her is that Libro confirmed her role to me, which could be a lie to protect a scumbuddy, but it means that despite Snowblaze publicly stating that she was the target and thus had ulterior motives to want him dead, we still have yet to hear anybody speak up to counterclaim. Occam's Razor, she's telling the truth.

    totadileplayz: Weak Town
    Reason: Baner who hasn't blocked a kill yet. N3 I had them target Valmark, and I had Valmark target me, with neither of them knowing about the other's plan (unless the scumteam is totadileplayz/Valmark). totadile claimed the bane didn't block a kill, which isn't what a scum!baner trying to win townie points would do. There's potential situations where the baner is scum, but like...okay, the aforementioned totadile/Valmark chain requires scum!totadile to obey the network and bane Valmark, with the knowledge that Valmark is probably the third vortexer. If I were in their position, sacrificing myself to kill the network head might've been a good play in this particular situation: don't bane who you're told to bane, get the network hub/seer killed, and just trust the odds that the vig won't have the aim that would make your scum!bane necessary later in the game. Why obey the network for townie points when you can sacrifice yourself to decapitate it? totadile has privately said that a hail mary of taking me out would be the best move for scumteam; either it works and they're miles closer to winning, or they fail and they're not in that much worse a situation than they already were.

    Valmark: Strong Town
    Reason: was the final vote on Xihirli, which made Xihirli either the leader in votes (from number of people voting) or tied for the lead (if the double-voter was on the other wagon). Either way, if Valmark was scum, then Valmark made that vote knowing he was increasing the odds of a wolf lynch by 50% from whatever the odds were before he voted. I could see somebody doing this, although it's quite a bastard move, but Valmark is tentatively cleared.


    Leans from towniest to scummiest summarized:
    • AvatarVecna
    • CaoimhinTheCape
    • Shal06
    • Rogan
    • Book Wombat
    • flat_footed
    • Murska
    • Valmark
    • totadileplayz
    • JeenLeen
    • Snowblaze
    • rogue_alchemist
    • MornShine
    • Libro
    N4 had a few different errors playing off each other. Book Wombat had been sent Towncore link in the AV/BW QT, but BW had dropped that QT when I initially died and so didn't realize there was a towncore where I'd given void instructions. Then in the seemingly-compromised Apogee/BW chat, I told BW to target Murska (as opposed to the Towncore instructions to void Libro). As it turns out, even if Libro was voided I still would've died. But also flat_footed wasn't even scrying MornShine like I told him to, because he prioritized his own life over giving the network information, which I'm kinda ticked about, but it all worked out in the end I guess.

    If people had done what I told them, D5 would've started with me dead, Murska/flat_footed/MornShine being added to towncore, and Libro being pinned to the wall. From there towncore has a few possible suspects for a remaining wolf: JeenLeen, rogue_alchemist, Snowblaze, totadileplayz, and Valmark. They've got vig, voider, and copycat (scry or vortex) for checking people in the night, with Cao and Murska as active players with some real analysis chops who can bring it on home.

    Instead what happened is that I died, flat_footed shot his credibility in the foot and failed to verify MornShine, and while Murska got checked properly, towncore forgot that the test was to confirm my scry result N1 and waffled about adding him as well. They later also question whether Libro could be guilty, at least in private, even if he was still getting lynched. Deadchat has a realtime dinner-and-show of me losing my mind watching as the victory-on-a-silver-platter I handed the network is constantly in the process of fumbling for several hours.

    Quote Originally Posted by totadileplayz View Post
    You can't say the neutral strat doesn't work in games like these look at Snowblaze most people gave her the credence of Snowblaze being a neutral.
    I mean, I can't speak for anybody else, but I had Snowblaze as a neutral because the alternative is that 90% of D2 was scum/scum as lead wagons. And then a last-minute switch moved it from one scum to the other? Nah, especially since Xihirli was basically refusing to contribute and Snowblaze was putting out heaps of ISOs. Xihirli flipping gave Snow a lot of credit in my eyes at least.

    Quote Originally Posted by totadileplayz View Post
    I also have to say that AV should have arranged the situation where Flat_Footed was hiding behind AV. Seeing as how you two were the biggest threats to the wolves.
    That's only true if

    1) I still trust that flat_footed will follow instructions after he prioritized himself over the network N3

    2) I'm more interested in keeping townies alive than catching wolves

    Especially in a situation where town is already doing pretty good at catching wolves? Hell yes I would sacrifice a townie as a test. If I'd been alive today, I probably would've gone ahead with lynching Rogan now that Libro was essentially caught and four people were added to towncore (since if I'd lived my scry on RA would've cleared them too). I made a gigantic post to hand off to towncore in the event that I died, which wouldn't have been necessary if I'd arranged to be protected, which I didn't because I was testing folks. Especially when town is in such a good position, losing one townie to catch one wolf is a good trade.

    Incidentally, I'm probably never trusting flat_footed to go along with a network plan that doesn't obviously protect him. I'll work around him or shut him down, even if he's towncore, cuz if I can't trust him to even tell me he's gonna do something else, I don't know what a given result of the night says about what happened.


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    Quote Originally Posted by AvatarVecna View Post
    N4 had a few different errors playing off each other. Book Wombat had been sent Towncore link in the AV/BW QT, but BW had dropped that QT when I initially died and so didn't realize there was a towncore where I'd given void instructions. Then in the seemingly-compromised Apogee/BW chat, I told BW to target Murska (as opposed to the Towncore instructions to void Libro). As it turns out, even if Libro was voided I still would've died. But also flat_footed wasn't even scrying MornShine like I told him to, because he prioritized his own life over giving the network information, which I'm kinda ticked about, but it all worked out in the end I guess.

    If people had done what I told them, D5 would've started with me dead, Murska/flat_footed/MornShine being added to towncore, and Libro being pinned to the wall. From there towncore has a few possible suspects for a remaining wolf: JeenLeen, rogue_alchemist, Snowblaze, totadileplayz, and Valmark. They've got vig, voider, and copycat (scry or vortex) for checking people in the night, with Cao and Murska as active players with some real analysis chops who can bring it on home.

    Instead what happened is that I died, flat_footed shot his credibility in the foot and failed to verify MornShine, and while Murska got checked properly, towncore forgot that the test was to confirm my scry result N1 and waffled about adding him as well. They later also question whether Libro could be guilty, at least in private, even if he was still getting lynched. Deadchat has a realtime dinner-and-show of me losing my mind watching as the victory-on-a-silver-platter I handed the network is constantly in the process of fumbling for several hours.



    I mean, I can't speak for anybody else, but I had Snowblaze as a neutral because the alternative is that 90% of D2 was scum/scum as lead wagons. And then a last-minute switch moved it from one scum to the other? Nah, especially since Xihirli was basically refusing to contribute and Snowblaze was putting out heaps of ISOs. Xihirli flipping gave Snow a lot of credit in my eyes at least.



    That's only true if

    1) I still trust that flat_footed will follow instructions after he prioritized himself over the network N3

    2) I'm more interested in keeping townies alive than catching wolves

    Especially in a situation where town is already doing pretty good at catching wolves? Hell yes I would sacrifice a townie as a test. If I'd been alive today, I probably would've gone ahead with lynching Rogan now that Libro was essentially caught and four people were added to towncore (since if I'd lived my scry on RA would've cleared them too). I made a gigantic post to hand off to towncore in the event that I died, which wouldn't have been necessary if I'd arranged to be protected, which I didn't because I was testing folks. Especially when town is in such a good position, losing one townie to catch one wolf is a good trade.

    Incidentally, I'm probably never trusting flat_footed to go along with a network plan that doesn't obviously protect him. I'll work around him or shut him down, even if he's towncore, cuz if I can't trust him to even tell me he's gonna do something else, I don't know what a given result of the night says about what happened.
    Keep in mind that post was in response to Flat_Footed's lie that he was ordered to do so. Yeah I was right in being suspicious of Flat_Footed but at the time I had to respect other people's opinions of what happened.

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    I did not forget the scry result.
    However, the confusion about Flats action made me consider the possibility of a wolf Tot.
    In this case, he could have protected Murska and prevented the kill. So Murska could survive without being Hard to Kill. So he could have been Deceptive Appearanc. Faking alignment when you scried him, faking role when Libro scried him.

    I didn't think this would be likely.
    But I wanted to wait until day end and the result of the lynch was out.

    Had Libro flipped town, there would be two more wolves our there, who could have been Murska and Tot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogan View Post
    I did not forget the scry result.
    However, the confusion about Flats action made me consider the possibility of a wolf Tot.
    In this case, he could have protected Murska and prevented the kill. So Murska could survive without being Hard to Kill. So he could have been Deceptive Appearanc. Faking alignment when you scried him, faking role when Libro scried him.

    I didn't think this would be likely.
    But I wanted to wait until day end and the result of the lynch was out.

    Had Libro flipped town, there would be two more wolves our there, who could have been Murska and Tot.
    Which should have been dismissed the second Flat_Footed revealed he did a hermes since it would have been impossible I'd even know about it unless I did what I said I did.

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    Heck even without Flat_Footed that action confusion was not alignment indicative that I could have been a wolf as that is not something a wolf would lie about as it only incriminated the wolf in question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by totadileplayz View Post
    Which should have been dismissed the second Flat_Footed revealed he did a hermes since it would have been impossible I'd even know about it unless I did what I said I did.

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    Heck even without Flat_Footed that action confusion was not alignment indicative that I could have been a wolf as that is not something a wolf would lie about as it only incriminated the wolf in question.
    FFs action was simply quite confusing.
    So I would not like to add someone to town core. You will get to read the QT soon, I guess.

    But now... There is something I have to do.

    Have a nice celebration and enjoy Dionysus wine. Just be careful not to drink too much!

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    Also the Son Of Poseidon The Protaganist survived.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogan View Post
    FFs action was simply quite confusing.
    So I would not like to add someone to town core. You will get to read the QT soon, I guess.

    But now... There is something I have to do.

    Have a nice celebration and enjoy Dionysus wine. Just be careful not to drink too much!
    Let's go down the list. 3 possibilities

    Fog between Flatfooted and me: The Doctor goes onto Totadile all actions between us swap nothing changes between Murska and me. Murska can not be protected by the doctor.


    Redirect Totadile onto himself: Doctor doctors himself nothing else changes potential night kill is ruined. Murska can not be protected by the doctor.


    Hermes: Doctor Doctors himself both him and Flat_Footed are protected. Murska can not be protected by the doctor.

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    The other possibility I lied was dismissed the second Flat_Footed admitted to it. So yes Murska was Town-Core.

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    And if people listened to me. AV would have never died twice. And I'd have been confirmed as Town.

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    Yep next time I won't listen to town if I'm convinced someone is going to be targeted.
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    I'm pretty sure I had persuaded Rogan to kill Snowblaze tonight, in hopes she was the retributive Child of Ares. So game would have ended with this Night, and I would have lost either way.

    Anyway, good game.
    I don't like these neutrals where I hunt others.

    Quote Originally Posted by Xihirli
    I just wanna ask Jeen if he knows what being Neutral even means.
    Once I realized the wolves didn't have the power to really get me my win-con, seemed wise to side with Town.
    But then Town had that annoying habit of not killing themselves for no reason. So it seemed fun to just play as Town.

    Oddly, even if I had sided with the wolves, I don't think it would have changed much. Well, kept Elenna alive for another Day.

    I did think Xi was Town when she died.
    Until this Day, I was leaning neutral on Snowblaze. Probably would have leaned wolf sooner if I had actually cared (e.g., was really Town).
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