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    Default Does anybody know who Xykon's secret weapon is?

    Since Xykon's secret weapon is always in shadows, I have no clue what is actually is. If anyone else knows, please explain what it is.

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    Default Re: Does anybody know who Xykon's secret weapon is?

    Quote Originally Posted by Yeet1234 View Post
    Since Xykon's secret weapon is always in shadows, I have no clue what is actually is. If anyone else knows, please explain what it is.
    Well, unless you're into guessing the possibilities, I'm afraid you'll just have to wait with the rest of us.
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    He's a good man

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    Most agree that he's a Tarrasque.

    https://www.dndbeyond.com/monsters/tarrasque

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    Default Re: Does anybody know who Xykon's secret weapon is?

    Not sure whether you are serious, but the MitD evidence and guessing thread is pretty sure that he is not a Tarrasque.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir_Norbert View Post
    Not sure whether you are serious, but the MitD evidence and guessing thread is pretty sure that he is not a Tarrasque.
    Not sure where I saw this... do I remember correctly that someone came up with a decent theory that he's some legendary monster with an incredibly foul smell, fitting the
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    Quote Originally Posted by arimareiji View Post
    Not sure where I saw this... do I remember correctly that someone came up with a decent theory that he's some legendary monster with an incredibly foul smell, fitting the
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peelee View Post
    Me, after seeing that the quoted post was posted on June 2020: Wow, it's amazing that anyone came up with a good guess so recently after years of hundreds of people trying, Peelee is a genius
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    Quote Originally Posted by hrožila View Post
    Me, after seeing that the quoted post was posted on June 2020: Wow, it's amazing that anyone came up with a good guess so recently after years of hundreds of people trying, Peelee is a genius
    Me, after actually reading the post: Peelee's genius status confirmed
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    lol. you are welcome to have mine. lol

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    Mine too. Being sigged is like an injection of serotonin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir_Norbert View Post
    Not sure whether you are serious, but the MitD evidence and guessing thread is pretty sure that he is not a Tarrasque.
    Not to sound disrespectful, but that thread's handling the case is pretty controversial, especially their focus on "big events." Popularity of Tarrasque and how its turned down is basically a rUnning gag now.

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    Among whom?

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    Among whom?
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    Top Men.
    This answer fits so many questions far too well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yeet1234 View Post
    Since Xykon's secret weapon is always in shadows, I have no clue what is actually is. If anyone else knows, please explain what it is.
    Ah now you've switched questions.

    WHO, is easy. He's a good person.

    WHAT is an all together trickier question, though we've been given many hints.
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    The most popular guess by far (which I happen to agree with) is that he is a protean, but the jury is far from in and the protean is far from perfect (most important to me is the fact that it, like almost every other species offered, doesn’t have the best explanation for how he teleported O-Chul).
    While for a time the Tarrasque was even more popular than the protean it is not so popular now because it has a lot of flaws. It’s main advantages are that it’s eating and sleeping patterns match and, if you want a D&D famous creature, it is one. Unfortunately just about every other metric it doesn’t work, it’s too big, too weak, and has no magic ability or knowledge.
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    I recognize that Conservation of Detail is Overrated, but I find the event that I am using as evidence for my theory above important enough/given enough focus to qualify for what I call Elan’s Exception, “Who wastes perfectly good foreshadowing like that?”. Also I have never correctly predicted any event in any piece of media so take this theory with a grain of salt (I call this Peelee’s Ye Old Reminder).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir_Norbert View Post
    Among whom?
    I can't give you names since these discussions are ancient history by now and many of contributors already left this forum. My memory is nt that great anymore. But I distinctly remember that you were among us when those arguements took place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Precure View Post
    Most agree that he's a Tarrasque.

    https://www.dndbeyond.com/monsters/tarrasque
    Crusher has been tracking people's guesses about what the MitD is for years now. There's currently 101 different guesses in that post, and literally none of them are the tarrasque. It's possible that there are some people who support the tarrasque who haven't submitted their guess for whatever reason, but I'm skeptical that there's enough of them for your statement to be true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yeet1234 View Post
    Since Xykon's secret weapon is always in shadows, I have no clue what is actually is. If anyone else knows, please explain what it is.
    It's a Slaadi innit? They were surprised to find it, immensely strong, weird powers, has a parent, high charisma and is ugly.
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    I think this might be one of those things where the forum isn't necessarily representative. I imagine there's plenty of people out there who know enough about D&D to know what a tarrasque is, but not enough to realize in which ways it doesn't fit. And many of them will be OotS fans, but not know it as well as a message board does, collectively.
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    I think he is the Snarl's offspring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Dragon View Post
    I think he is the Snarl's offspring.
    That is guaranteed to not be the case by the author. It also is completely at odds with parts of Start of Darkness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Precure View Post
    I can't give you names since these discussions are ancient history by now and many of contributors already left this forum. My memory is nt that great anymore. But I distinctly remember that you were among us when those arguements took place.
    I see, sorry for being snarky. I wasn't sure if you were referring to this forum or off-site communities such as TVTropes.

    If you're talking about very old discussions, then I don't remember either, but we have a lot more clues and information now than we had back then, so I wouldn't be surprised if most of the old participants, if they have continued to follow OotS and the forum at all, have different opinions now.

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    I haven't kept careful count, obviously, but as someone who has frequented to forums for quite some time, but *not* participated in the guessing thread, I would say that tarrasque is the most frequent answer that I have come across, so that may indicate something, I guess. lol

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    The Protean is currently the leader in the guessing thread. (With good reason, in my opinion. )

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    Quote Originally Posted by pearl jam View Post
    I haven't kept careful count, obviously, but as someone who has frequented to forums for quite some time, but *not* participated in the guessing thread, I would say that tarrasque is the most frequent answer that I have come across, so that may indicate something, I guess. lol
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    Is this going to be a thread that has the OP question answered within 5 posts and then proceeds to be a 10 page long discussion about tangentially related topics?

    Quote Originally Posted by pearl jam View Post
    I haven't kept careful count, obviously, but as someone who has frequented to forums for quite some time, but *not* participated in the guessing thread, I would say that tarrasque is the most frequent answer that I have come across, so that may indicate something, I guess. lol
    Overall the Tarrasque has nothing going for it but raw power; it lacks any escape scene abilities, is not part of a species, and is far too big for the umbrella.
    It basically shows that the Tarrasque is more on the minds of people than that it is relevant to MitD.
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    The Tarrasque tends to be the first snap "i kind of know D&D and its the iconic big dumb D&D monster" guess a lot of people have without giving it much thought. To that end, i wouldnt be surprised if its the "most popular" in the sense that its the most common answer you get among people who dont really care one way or another.

    Among people who actually give it some thought, its one of the weaker candidates. Among other reasons already mentioned, any creature identified with a singular article (ie "the" tarrasque) is unlikely to be "one of them" or have parents.
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