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    Default Re: Villainous Competition XL+1: Gojira!

    Heya, I got some questions

    1: are we using these equivalencies for elemental damage? acid=earth, cold=water, lightning=air, fire=fire?

    2: can a creature that has taken class level still advance his type HD ? example a 2HD, CR1 wolf , take one level of fighter (CR2), then advance the animal HD to 4 to increase it's size to large? or do the "advancing monsters" always have to happen before any class level?

    3: kindaish the same, but with templates, inherited template will obviously be applied from when the creature "was born", but acquired templates can be applied at any point of time, right?

    4: do we have to add 1 to the cr from our usage of the elite array?

    5: is bumping up one size category from adding HD +1 cr for every size category, or only when we're starting from medium?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ciopo View Post
    2: can a creature that has taken class level still advance his type HD ? example a 2HD, CR1 wolf , take one level of fighter (CR2), then advance the animal HD to 4 to increase it's size to large? or do the "advancing monsters" always have to happen before any class level?
    No, you can't.


    4: do we have to add 1 to the cr from our usage of the elite array?
    No.

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    I have an out-of-wack idea, nobody will expect my build (or the Spanish Inquisition) - let me participate
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    Quote Originally Posted by ciopo View Post
    5: is bumping up one size category from adding HD +1 cr for every size category, or only when we're starting from medium?
    I hope it's only medium—>large, because that's the assumption I made and I don't really want to rework it because
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    Quote Originally Posted by JyP View Post
    I have an out-of-wack idea, nobody will expect my build (or the Spanish Inquisition) - let me participate
    Pretty sure you don't have to, like, ask permission to participate, you can just submit a build

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    Managed to submit a build for this one, though not sure how well it's going to do.

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    ...this competition would allow me to make something I've been wanting to do for awhile. I'm building.

    EDIT: ...the requirement that it be the base form ruined my idea. I might still post it even though it's illegal for this contest, cuz it's still neat.
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    May I kindly get a factcheck in how to count BAB and good/poor saves for creatures with more than 20 racial hit dice?

    my understanding of "For all characters, please note that Racial Hit Dice do not count towards Epic Progression; use the regular progression even if the BAB ends up higher than 20." from the chair means I ignore what's written in https://www.d20srd.org/srd/epic/basics.htm .

    I did find one chart, but it's online and seems to be for pathfinder, I'd rather be pointed at some 3.5 papery thing.

    Anyway, My assumptions are :

    good BAB is = RHD, example 40RHD = BAB +40
    medium BAB is 3/4 HD, example 40RHD = BAB 30, plus same question about class levels as above
    poor BAB is 1/2 HD, example 40RHD = BAB 20, plus etcetera

    Good saves are 2+ RHD/2 ?, so 40RHD = good save of 22
    Bad saves are RHD/3? so 40RHD = bad save of 13

    If we add class levels, we simply add the BAB and saves related to that class, for example adding a first level of monk would mean HD goes to 41, BAB stays at 40 and all saves improve by 2

    If we add enough class levels to gain a new feat, so at monk 2 in this example because we've reached HD 42, can we add an epic feat?

    Can a creature with 21+ RHD pick all feats as epic feats?, assuming that's the base creature I mean, before adding any class levels. can a base creature with 21 RHD have Damage reduction x8, for example? (assuming it has the constitution prerequisites) it is my understanding that it doesn't go through the process of gaining one HD at a time.

    we can choose feats different from those published in the statblocks, right?

    I've basically never tinkered with making monsters before, sorry for the nooby questions =)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ciopo View Post
    May I kindly get a factcheck in how to count BAB and good/poor saves for creatures with more than 20 racial hit dice?

    my understanding of "For all characters, please note that Racial Hit Dice do not count towards Epic Progression; use the regular progression even if the BAB ends up higher than 20." from the chair means I ignore what's written in https://www.d20srd.org/srd/epic/basics.htm .

    I did find one chart, but it's online and seems to be for pathfinder, I'd rather be pointed at some 3.5 papery thing.
    Anyway, My assumptions are :

    good BAB is = RHD, example 40RHD = BAB +40
    medium BAB is 3/4 HD, example 40RHD = BAB 30, plus same question about class levels as above
    poor BAB is 1/2 HD, example 40RHD = BAB 20, plus etcetera
    That is right. For some more concrete explanation, you can look at the elder Titan for reference. It has 70 HD, and +70 BAB. However, it can still only do 4 iterative attacks. Also, it has all good saves, which amounts to 2+HD/2=+37 (that's exactly what you see in reflexes, since it has 10 in Dex).

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    If we add class levels, we simply add the BAB and saves related to that class, for example adding a first level of monk would mean HD goes to 41, BAB stays at 40 and all saves improve by 2
    However, no. Epic progression starts as soon as you have 20 HD, counting Racial Hit dice and you take a class level. So your monk level will give you BAB+1=41 and no better saves.
    Refer to Gerti Orelsdottr, page 294 of the ELH. She has 14 Racial hit dice and 5+4 class levels, all at 3/4 BAB. Without epic progression, she would have 10+3+3=16 BAB. With epic progression on her last 3 levels, she has 10+3+0+2=15 "BAB", -1 Size, +9 Str=+23 to hit, and that's what she has.

    Quote Originally Posted by ciopo View Post
    If we add enough class levels to gain a new feat, so at monk 2 in this example because we've reached HD 42, can we add an epic feat?
    Yeah, you have more than 20 HD, so you can take Epic feats instead of normal ones.

    Quote Originally Posted by ciopo View Post
    Can a creature with 21+ RHD pick all feats as epic feats?, assuming that's the base creature I mean, before adding any class levels. can a base creature with 21 RHD have Damage reduction x8, for example? (assuming it has the constitution prerequisites) it is my understanding that it doesn't go through the process of gaining one HD at a time.
    No, you must have at least 7 normal feats. Consider that the monster was once a baby and gained its racial hit dice one by one.

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    we can choose feats different from those published in the statblocks, right?
    According to previous occurences of the competition, yes.
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    Thank you Beni-kujaku

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    Quote Originally Posted by ciopo View Post
    2: can a creature that has taken class level still advance his type HD ? example a 2HD, CR1 wolf , take one level of fighter (CR2), then advance the animal HD to 4 to increase it's size to large? or do the "advancing monsters" always have to happen before any class level?
    No, you can't.
    Oh, that's a bummer, it would be much more smoother/interesting "storywise" if we could sprinkle the class levels "here and there" instead of having to frontload all the "advancing HD", it makes the growing up of the creature mostly unmemorable, since it will have very little to differentiate it from an average member of its species, other than elite array and feat choice.

    Are there exceptions to that? I see the dragon from last round alternated soul eater levels with advancing the dragon age category, but maybe that's special to dragons?

    I do agree with you / the reasoning for first doing all the "Improving monsters" and only after that adding class levels, for one to do otherwise would make a mess when RHD pushes into epic.

    But it'd be a more interesting creature if it had the class levels added here and there.

    Oh well

    edit, to quote : "However, no. Epic progression starts as soon as you have 20 HD, counting Racial Hit dice and you take a class level. So your monk level will give you BAB+1=41 and no better saves.
    Refer to Gerti Orelsdottr, page 294 of the ELH. She has 14 Racial hit dice and 5+4 class levels, all at 3/4 BAB. Without epic progression, she would have 10+3+3=16 BAB. With epic progression on her last 3 levels, she has 10+3+0+2=15 "BAB", -1 Size, +9 Str=+23 to hit, and that's what she has."

    the new question : if I'm adding one class level to 23 Racial hit dice, do I gain 1 epic BAB, because I'm adding a"1st epic level", and so since I'm adding an "even level", it's the BAB that increases, or do I gain 1 epic saves, since I'm going from 23 to 24 HD, and thus gaining an "odd level" ?
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    I've seriously been dragging my heels on this, but still hoping to have my entry wrapped up by the deadline.

    I was contemplating two entries, but I'll be more than happy getting one in.

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    new deadline july 11
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    Sweet. I'll commit to getting my abomination done by then. (Is it just me, or did this whole month seemed to go by really fast?)
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    new deadline july 11
    Thanks. And sorry to keep being "that guy"

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    Sweet. I'll commit to getting my abomination done by then. (Is it just me, or did this whole month seemed to go by really fast?)
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    Quote Originally Posted by ciopo View Post
    the new question : if I'm adding one class level to 23 Racial hit dice, do I gain 1 epic BAB, because I'm adding a"1st epic level", and so since I'm adding an "even level", it's the BAB that increases, or do I gain 1 epic saves, since I'm going from 23 to 24 HD, and thus gaining an "odd level" ?
    This is your 24th HD, so you gain +1 save, no attack bonus, and a feat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beni-Kujaku View Post
    This is your 24th HD, so you gain +1 save, no attack bonus, and a feat.
    Actually, this comp has specific rules that go against the general Epic progression rules:

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    I should also be able to get my monster in by the new deadline.


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    One last cross-post, there's certainly a healthy group of active competitions here all modeled after the OG IC. Here's a Google doc that I made, I am freely releasing it, that neatly serves as a virtual WYSIWYG editor for the bbcode tables for these sorts of competitions. Feel free to make a copy for yourself or link it as you like.
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    I'm having computer issues. I don't want to do the reveal from my phone, so builds will be posted whenever I get things sorted
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    I'm having computer issues. I don't want to do the reveal from my phone, so builds will be posted whenever I get things sorted
    Do we have time until at least 23:59 MST Sunday July 11th?

    I submited my builds.
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    I'm having computer issues. I don't want to do the reveal from my phone, so builds will be posted whenever I get things sorted
    Hey wait wait what

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    Is that no longer the case??

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    Quote Originally Posted by NotInventedHere View Post
    Hey wait wait what
    Is that no longer the case??
    I can read jdizzlean's words in two different ways. There are good one and bad one. Bad one is whenever from now, good one - whenever from "after computer problem solving".

    Anyway, jdizzlean, I wish your computer good health!
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    Build is submitted, time to check out kaiju.


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    computer issues sorted. i'm dumb and listed the deadline on a workday, so i'll move it to July 14th, 0700 hours MST. give just a little extra time to anyone finishing up. Got a lot of great builds in my inbox I have likewise not had time to review, so this should be a great round!
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    How are the entries looking? I'm on the fence about whether mine is too cheesy to even bother with, but I'll put it together if we want/need more entries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoeticallyPsyco View Post
    How are the entries looking? I'm on the fence about whether mine is too cheesy to even bother with, but I'll put it together if we want/need more entries.
    Previous post says "lot of great builds". Although honestly, I wouldn't worry about being cheesy. It's a kaiju round, most any path to being colossal all the time basically locks you into being a "big numbers" brute build. It can only get so bad without serious access to some kinda subsystem.

    Personally, there's a particular cheesy build I'm hoping shows up (primarily because it wouldn't just be a big numbers brute, but rather a caster that happens to be colossal due to questionable feat interpretations). I considered doing it as my backup build but I figured somebody else already was and had put way more time into it than I could, so hopefully I get to see someone else's fun nonsense take on it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by PoeticallyPsyco View Post
    How are the entries looking? I'm on the fence about whether mine is too cheesy to even bother with, but I'll put it together if we want/need more entries.
    I highly doubt that it's cheesier than mine.
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    I did not get a full build in, but the idea I had was a lovely aged fondue.

    I’ll post the build stub after the reveal (it was only complete at CR 20, which was part of the reason I did not bother making a full entry out of it).
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    Excited to see the wacky builds on display.

    EDIT: I think there was a miscommunication in the date/time maybe?
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