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Thread: Magical Secrets
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2021-06-20, 04:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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Magical Secrets
Magical Secrets count as Bard spells, and bards can change a bard spell known every time they level. Does this mean a bard can change a magical secret every time they level?
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2021-06-20, 05:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Magical Secrets
Yes, but they must change it out for a bard spell.
The rule that allows you to change your spells requires that the spell you’re changing it into is a bard spell itself, while the magical secrets become bard spells, they don’t make any of the other classes spells bard spells, so you would “lose” a magical secrets in the act of changing.
As a DM, I’m inclined to just allow the player to change the magical secret for another magical secret, regardless of class, it seems like a silk technicality and I’m all for allowing players to change their decisions if something isn’t working out.Homebrew setting: UnintensifiedFailure's Setting Please check it out, I'd love feedback.
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2021-06-20, 05:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Magical Secrets
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2021-06-20, 05:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Magical Secrets
Homebrew setting: UnintensifiedFailure's Setting Please check it out, I'd love feedback.
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2021-06-20, 05:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Magical Secrets
I wouldn't, if only because Lore Bard's additional Magical Secrets doesn't need the additional benefit of potentially netting them a 4th or 5th level spell from any class prior to the base classes Magical Secrets. At higher levels this would also allow a Bard to pick up another classes 9th level spells a level earlier than normally allowed for their Magical Secrets, very notable for Wish. I think that's intentional design as well that Bards can take from any class list, but they'll always be a level behind when picking for their highest level slots.
Bards are plenty strong, and in this aspect of the class I think that the decision here is important. If I were to allow them to swap Magical Secrets out, I would add the restriction that they could only choose a spell of the same level or lower* than the one they're swapping.
*EDIT: I worded it this way assuming they would only do this once, which could start to become restrictive if they ever did choose a lower level spell. The intention was that they can only ever swap a magical secret for another they would have been able to choose when they gained the feature, like Hiro Quester says below.Last edited by ProsecutorGodot; 2021-06-20 at 07:58 PM. Reason: clarifications
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2021-06-20, 07:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Magical Secrets
Or at least only let them swap it out for a new spell that they could have learned initially.
I’m usually in favor of letting players rethink a character build decision that isn’t working out as they hoped.Last edited by Hiro Quester; 2021-06-20 at 07:50 PM.
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2021-06-20, 08:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Magical Secrets
Originally Posted by ProsecutorGodot
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