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    By the time of the duel he'd already broken that tenet twice, against the Dominion and the Forsworn. That he'd break it again in the duel and continue to break in it in the Civil War is consistent. A bit hypocritical, but he'd already broken the oath of pacifism when he left the Greybeards to join the Imperial Legion during the Great War, so he was hardly a good Greybeard at that point anyway.
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    "Nordic tradition also states that the Thu'um should not be used for war"

    No, this is entirely a greybeard thing. Nord Tradition venerated the throats and happily used them for war. See the books at Forelhost south of Riften for references.
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    At this point Greybeard tradition IS the nordic tradition. Forelhost predates Jurgen's reforms and the change to the status of Thu'um.
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    If you speak to Torygg in Sovngarde, he implies that Ulfric's actions during their duel may have been dishonorable in some way.
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    Technically they are both traditions, one has just largely supplanted the other over time. Harkening back to the older defunct tradition is not a non-traditionalist stance, it's just an appeal to a different set of traditions from a previous iteration of their society.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grim Portent View Post
    Technically they are both traditions, one has just largely supplanted the other over time. Harkening back to the older defunct tradition is not a non-traditionalist stance, it's just an appeal to a different set of traditions from a previous iteration of their society.
    Picking and choosing which traditions you follow when it's convenient makes you the opposite of a traditionalist.

    And let's be real, Ulfric doesn't give a toss about traditions. He says as much to Galmar when talking about the Jagged Crown.
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