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    A healthy human is fine to go away eventually so there's still enough resources for the younger humans. Not everybody is fine with going away now, and it's perfectly healthy to switch from survival mode to time to die mode at an age older than any human head reached.

    I have an interest in having my aging paused, not an obsession with it, as well as an interest in raising children at some point (and a current interest in the activities that produce them). But I wouldn't say I'm obsessed with them (okay, except for the sex).
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    Everyone is obsessed with "immortality." All life on earth is motivated by the duel drives of survival and reproduction, which in humans have evolved into the more complex desire to survive long enough to leave a lasting legacy.
    Sure, I want children. That's not an obsession, though.

    At the end of the day, every sane, rational human being wants to either have a long life, or be remembered when their gone, with many wanting both
    I could do without your questioning my sanity, thank you.
    (And let's not even get started with how "rational" such desires are.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anonymouswizard View Post
    A healthy human is fine to go away eventually so there's still enough resources for the younger humans.
    Resource scarcity is a myth: As technology improves, our ability to produce food, water, clothing, and shelter for the population increases at a rate that outstrips population growth, and technological improvement over a generation tend to be roughly twice the rate of the previous generation, meaning that the gap between resoruces produced and resources needed will keep getting wider. As it is, a good chunk of the food we grow ends up being thrown out.

    Not to mention that as average life span and quality of life go up, rates of reproduction go down.

    What you are presenting as an insurmountable problem is actually really easily fixed in the grand scheme of things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rater202 View Post
    Resource scarcity is a myth: As technology improves, our ability to produce food, water, clothing, and shelter for the population increases at a rate that outstrips population growth, and technological improvement over a generation tend to be roughly twice the rate of the previous generation, meaning that the gap between resoruces produced and resources needed will keep getting wider. As it is, a good chunk of the food we grow ends up being thrown out.
    That might be true now, but the majority of healthy human behaviours developed back in the days when most groups didn't have enough resources to develop technologically. At the end of the day modern Anonymouswizard is no different to prehistoric Anonymouswizard in mindset, but I have a lot more resources than they did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rater202 View Post
    Everyone is obsessed with "immortality."
    No.

    I'm pretty sure far more people acknowledge that being obsessed with living forever is going to drive you to waste what precious time you have.

    At the end of the day, every sane, rational human being wants to either have a long life, or be remembered when their gone, with many wanting both
    Can't honestly say I care what "legacy" I leave behind, so long as it's not "I made the world worse by my very presence", something that doesn't require statues or history books. I want to write stories people enjoy. Sometimes I want to find a wife and have kids, but frankly A) usually don't want to B) no idea where to start with that anyway and C) I would value the companionship more than any kind of "legacy".

    While I can't know your life and say definitively you've never come close to death, I know I have. It didn't make me want to live forever, it just put into focus that my time is limited. If I didn't have that limit I would doubtless be a lazy, worthless waste of space.

    And sure, I would like a full 100 years, I don't want to die immediately after hitting "submit reply" to this post, and I would very much like to write books that people love. That doesn't translate to "I want to outlive the stars" which seems to be the only form of immortality you're allowing in your hypothetical scenarios.
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    I've seen people go horribly and I've seen people go senselessly. I've seen strong evidence that legacy immortality is unreliable and the man who isn't afraid of growing ill or being riddled by disease or toxins is a fool.

    So, I quite logically concluded that this whole death thing was complete bull**** and decided that if I could find a way to become genuine, perfect immortality, I'd take it.

    And share it with as many people as possible. I'd be morally obligated to it for much the same reason that someone who discovered a cure for HIV would be obligated to share it.
    Look dude, I get the appeal. I watched my grandmother die a slow death from Alzheimerís, and I watched my grandfather slowly decline until his death years later. If I had the ability to bring them back and perfect health I would take it in a heartbeat.

    But the immortality, true, everlasting, billions and trillions of years from now immortality is daunting. None of the stuff about dead relatives and the total BS of death changes that.

    If immortality meant ai could live forever, not aging above 30 or so (still babyfaced at 26 unfortunately, so Iíll give myself a few more years of maturing) and spend forever hanging out with friends, watching football, reading, snowboarding ect, then yeah, Iíd take it. But that isnít want you are offering. The world will change and leave you behind, and mentally that will cause people a lot of anguish. Frankly, I think I could get past that, but eventually, billions of years in the future (youíre a immortal, gotta look long term) the planet is going to get vaporized by the sun, you will get sucked into a star and spend a eternity alone, hoping at some point in the endless future you land on a planet. To me that is worse than the oblivion that awaits people who shuffle off this mortal coil.

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    Everyone is obsessed with "immortality."
    Citation needed. And, even assuming you could supply one (you can't), that's moving the goalposts.
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    The only difference between say, a great artist and myself is that I want something more literal.
    I consider myself a rampant egotist, and yet this is in the running for the most egotistical thing I think I've ever heard.
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    While I can't know your life and say definitively you've never come close to death, I know I have.
    Counting or not counting the times I was too young to realize what was going on?

    Counting the things I was aware of in the moment, there was an incident in middle school where someone tried to push me down the stairs, the time some jackass in a diesel truck almost swerved right into the passenger side seat of my mom's itty bitty car(IE, where I was sitting) on the highway, the time I was hospitalized with a two-foot blood clot and suspected pulmonary embolisms.

    If going back to things I only realized in hindsight but that haunt me now that I'm older, there was the time I tripped at the top of the stairs and went tumbling down the banister where, had I not landed on my mother who was sitting at the bottom, my skull would have been smashed on the wall, and the time I spent a week in the hospital with an oversized kidney stone when I was four.
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    I consider myself a rampant egotist, and yet this is in the running for the most egotistical thing I think I've ever heard.
    We have an expression over here "AprŤs moi, le dťluge", "After me, the flood."
    It means that somebody is so unconcerned about the long-term consequences of their actions, as long as they happen after their death, that wouldn't care even if it caused the world to end.

    Don't you have something similar?
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    ...Can I ask what's so egotistical about saying "I'd rather literally live forever than metaphorically live forever through my art?"

    Becuase that's what I meant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rater202 View Post
    Counting or not counting the times I was too young to realize what was going on?

    Counting the things I was aware of in the moment, there was an incident in middle school where someone tried to push me down the stairs, the time some jackass in a diesel truck almost swerved right into the passenger side seat of my mom's itty bitty car(IE, where I was sitting) on the highway, the time I was hospitalized with a two-foot blood clot and suspected pulmonary embolisms.

    If going back to things I only realized in hindsight but that haunt me now that I'm older, there was the time I tripped at the top of the stairs and went tumbling down the banister where, had I not landed on my mother who was sitting at the bottom, my skull would have been smashed on the wall, and the time I spent a week in the hospital with an oversized kidney stone when I was four.
    In October 2017 I woke up on the floor with the taste of blood in my mouth and ambulance lights in my window. I was numb all over, got lifted onto a gurney and taken to a hospital. On the way to the hospital, I was told I had a seizure. I spent that entire night throwing my guts up and part of me was convinced I wouldn't make it to the morning. Found out later that week it was due to a brain tumor and I'd need to go under for surgery.

    I asked if you'd gone through a near-death experience because events like that tend to put into perspective just how easily and quickly we can die, even from things we don't realize are problems. I didn't want to live forever, or even really care if I made it through the week ("If it's my time, it's my time"). It just put into mind that I needed to work faster on, say, my novel. Or finishing reading my Bible. Or any number of other things that I'd put on the backburner, to get to "eventually".

    Immortality doesn't allow that. There's no reason to rush or work quickly, and so you don't. What will you accomplish when your time is unlimited? Paradoxically, having more time just means you'll waste more time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HalfTangible View Post
    In October 2017 I woke up on the floor with the taste of blood in my mouth and ambulance lights in my window. I was numb all over, got lifted onto a gurney and taken to a hospital. On the way to the hospital, I was told I had a seizure. I spent that entire night throwing my guts up and part of me was convinced I wouldn't make it to the morning. Found out later that week it was due to a brain tumor and I'd need to go under for surgery.

    I asked if you'd gone through a near-death experience because events like that tend to put into perspective just how easily and quickly we can die, even from things we don't realize are problems. I didn't want to live forever, or even really care if I made it through the week ("If it's my time, it's my time"). It just put into mind that I needed to work faster on, say, my novel. Or finishing reading my Bible. Or any number of other things that I'd put on the backburner, to get to "eventually".

    Immortality doesn't allow that. There's no reason to rush or work quickly, and so you don't. What will you accomplish when your time is unlimited? Paradoxically, having more time just means you'll waste more time.
    There are people who would argue that I'm wasting my time now. And yet, paradoxically, I'm 'wasting my time' becuase of concerns that I have no control over, mostly related to personal safety concerns and physical ability.

    Immortality in my case would take away reasons wy I don't just go out and do things.
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    Just out of curiosity, what are some of the things you want to do that realistically you could do but so far havenít?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fyraltari View Post
    We have an expression over here "AprŤs moi, le dťluge", "After me, the flood."
    It means that somebody is so unconcerned about the long-term consequences of their actions, as long as they happen after their death, that wouldn't care even if it caused the world to end.

    Don't you have something similar?
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    Just out of curiosity, what are some of the things you want to do that realistically you could do but so far havenít?
    Nothing. Realistically I can do nothing. For more reasons than I care to elaborate on, there is nothing that I could be doing that I am not already doing.

    I'd like to start jogging again, but between the fact that my knees are one good run away from not being able to support my weight and there are no sidewalks where I live.

    We tried on and off to get a treadmill but by the time we got one that I could use... Well, the first time I had a lasp on my use of it it got folded up and put somewhere where I couldn't use it, then thrown out for "taking too much space with no one using it" despite my constantly asking about getting it put back up so I could use it.

    A couple of years ago I got one of those "body cycles" that you put on the floor and pedal but by then my legs were too bad for it... Despite them being advertised as low impact exercise. I try to use it when I can but twenty minutes is three days of pain.

    Immortal body fixes most of those problems. Can't destroy immortal knees. And lots of places that are considered unsafe to go jogging are safer when you literally can't die.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rater202 View Post
    ...Can I ask what's so egotistical about saying "I'd rather literally live forever than metaphorically live forever through my art?"

    Becuase that's what I meant.
    To rephrase: "I am exactly like a great artist except for lack of interest in art"

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    There are people who would argue that I'm wasting my time now. And yet, paradoxically, I'm 'wasting my time' becuase of concerns that I have no control over, mostly related to personal safety concerns and physical ability.

    Immortality in my case would take away reasons wy I don't just go out and do things.
    Immortality does not mean you lose the ability to feel pain, nor that you will suddenly become Superman.
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    To rephrase: "I am exactly like a great artist except for lack of interest in art"
    It only means that if you remove all of the context regarding a desire to live long vs a desire being remembered.



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    Immortality does not mean you lose the ability to feel pain, nor that you will suddenly become Superman.
    An inability to die by necessity requires an immunity to injury, sickness, poisoning, degradation, and deprevation.

    You know, the things that are collectively responsible for 100% of deaths.
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    Oh, I didnít know it was that bad. Youíve mentioned medical problems before but I didnít realize how much pain it put you in.

    Iím sure Iím not the first person to suggest this, but does walking an extended time hurt your knees too? I know itís not much but maybe doing that for a bit, a mile here and there, might strengthen your joints enough so the other exercises become more reasonable?

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    Oh, I didnít know it was that bad. Youíve mentioned medical problems before but I didnít realize how much pain it put you in.

    Iím sure Iím not the first person to suggest this, but does walking an extended time hurt your knees too? I know itís not much but maybe doing that for a bit, a mile here and there, might strengthen your joints enough so the other exercises become more reasonable?
    Not as bad... But I can only walk inside. Most of the year it's either too cold, too hot, or too bright for my overly sensitive eyes.

    Also, recently my stepfather has given up on keeping the chickens in their pen and nothing I do can make them leave me the **** alone. And the bastard dismisses my concerns about not being able to use the backyard because of the chickens as being afraid of them. So yeah, the backyard's off-limits for the time being.
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    An inability to die by necessity requires an immunity to injury, sickness, poisoning, degradation, and deprevation.

    You know, the things that are collectively responsible for 100% of deaths.
    Not really. Plenty of things hurt me that dont kill me, I can be hungry without starving to death, etc...

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    Also, recently my stepfather has given up on keeping the chickens in their pen and nothing I do can make them leave me the **** alone. And the bastard dismisses my concerns about not being able to use the backyard because of the chickens as being afraid of them. So yeah, the backyard's off-limits for the time being.
    Look into your local ordinance on this one. Free-roaming chickens may very well be illegal in your area. They are in mine.
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    An inability to die by necessity requires an immunity to injury, sickness, poisoning, degradation, and deprevation.
    No it doesn't. It requires one to be unable to die and that's it. As long as the injury can't kill you, the sickness just makes your life miserable but it can't kill you and poisons only make you, say, vomit your intestines out and then you get somewhat better and don't die, you are immortal by your previously stated definition (essentially: "you cannot die").

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    Not really. Plenty of things hurt me that dont kill me, I can be hungry without starving to death, etc...
    There's no meaningful difference between a gaping chest wound and a paper cut, except for size and location.

    If something prevents you from suffering fatal injuries but still lets you be harmed, that's not immortality, that's a curse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rater202 View Post
    There's no meaningful difference between a gaping chest wound and a paper cut, except for size and location.

    If something prevents you from suffering fatal injuries but still lets you be harmed, that's not immortality, that's a curse.
    Immortality means not being mortal. Even by the most narrow definitions, as long as you cannot die, you are immortal. It doesn't have to be pleasant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rater202 View Post
    There's no meaningful difference between a gaping chest wound and a paper cut, except for size and location.

    If something prevents you from suffering fatal injuries but still lets you be harmed, that's not immortality, that's a curse.
    I mean sure, if you ignore all the differences then they look really similar. People dont work like in an RPG, you dont suffer critical existence failure from losing too many hit points. If you die from bleeding out, its because your blood isnt doing the stuff you need it do be doing anymore, not because your body hit the "time to die from blood loss" lever. If youre magically, physics-defyingly immortal, then you dont need blood, but that doesnt mean your body, which you have no control over at that level, doesnt want to keep it there anyway.
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    In October 2017 I woke up on the floor with the taste of blood in my mouth and ambulance lights in my window. I was numb all over, got lifted onto a gurney and taken to a hospital. On the way to the hospital, I was told I had a seizure. I spent that entire night throwing my guts up and part of me was convinced I wouldn't make it to the morning. Found out later that week it was due to a brain tumor and I'd need to go under for surgery.

    I asked if you'd gone through a near-death experience because events like that tend to put into perspective just how easily and quickly we can die, even from things we don't realize are problems. I didn't want to live forever, or even really care if I made it through the week ("If it's my time, it's my time"). It just put into mind that I needed to work faster on, say, my novel. Or finishing reading my Bible. Or any number of other things that I'd put on the backburner, to get to "eventually".

    Immortality doesn't allow that. There's no reason to rush or work quickly, and so you don't. What will you accomplish when your time is unlimited? Paradoxically, having more time just means you'll waste more time.
    Damn, that's rough. I'm glad that you made it through that alright. Did you manage to finish your novel?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metastachydium View Post
    Immortality means not being mortal. Even by the most narrow definitions, as long as you cannot die, you are immortal. It doesn't have to be pleasant.
    Glibness aside, there's no meaningful difference between fatal injuries and non-fatal ones but size and location.

    No meaningful difference between an infection that kills you and an infection that doesn't.

    etc etc.

    Immunity to fatal injures would, by all reason, make you immune to all injuries. Or rather, require it as any injury can be fatal in the right circumstances.

    Likewise the same with infections: An immune system that can destroy HIV, Sars, Ebola, and Bubonic Plague all at once within seconds of them entering your body will absolutely destroy the common cold.

    And if your celsl no longer requires food, water, or oxygen from outside sources to survive, then there's no reason tall for you to ever feel hungry or thirsty. You'd only need to breathe to talk, so there's be no issue with suffocation either. Oxygen deprevation woud't even make you lightheaded.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rater202 View Post
    Nothing. Realistically I can do nothing. For more reasons than I care to elaborate on, there is nothing that I could be doing that I am not already doing.

    I'd like to start jogging again, but between the fact that my knees are one good run away from not being able to support my weight and there are no sidewalks where I live.

    We tried on and off to get a treadmill but by the time we got one that I could use... Well, the first time I had a lasp on my use of it it got folded up and put somewhere where I couldn't use it, then thrown out for "taking too much space with no one using it" despite my constantly asking about getting it put back up so I could use it.

    A couple of years ago I got one of those "body cycles" that you put on the floor and pedal but by then my legs were too bad for it... Despite them being advertised as low impact exercise. I try to use it when I can but twenty minutes is three days of pain.

    Immortal body fixes most of those problems. Can't destroy immortal knees. And lots of places that are considered unsafe to go jogging are safer when you literally can't die.
    That's a defeatist attitude. You're not on a great situation there, but it's a defeatist attitude.

    Plus pavements should not be optional except in the deep countryside (where other running routes become possible).

    But you can do something. It'll likely be slow and painful, and it's fine to not be willing to go through that. You also might want a quick fix for your issues, I want one for mind even though they're milder than yours. But as those aren't coming you've got two choices: do the thing, or decide that the thing isn't worth it.

    And I need to put my money where my mouth is by 1) getting back into exercising and 2) finding the money to visit my girlfriends (but I wanted to buy a Switch...)

    ETA: didn't I read a story or six one about somebody cursed with immortality? Sure, different kinds of harm we're generally used, but immortality and curses clearly aren't opposed to everybody...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rater202 View Post
    Glibness aside, there's no meaningful difference between fatal injuries and non-fatal ones but size and location.

    No meaningful difference between an infection that kills you and an infection that doesn't.

    etc etc.

    Immunity to fatal injures would, by all reason, make you immune to all injuries. Or rather, require it as any injury can be fatal in the right circumstances.

    Likewise the same with infections: An immune system that can destroy HIV, Sars, Ebola, and Bubonic Plague all at once within seconds of them entering your body will absolutely destroy the common cold.

    And if your celsl no longer requires food, water, or oxygen from outside sources to survive, then there's no reason tall for you to ever feel hungry or thirsty. You'd only need to breathe to talk, so there's be no issue with suffocation either. Oxygen deprevation woud't even make you lightheaded.
    Theres no such thing as a "fatal injury" Rater, at least not in the sense that youre talking about. You dont die from being hurt, you die from the consequences of that hurt. Immortality is not indestructibility. Your body needs to operate within certain parameters, but there are plenty of ways to be injured that dont affect those parameters and still hurt and suck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rater202 View Post
    Glibness aside, there's no meaningful difference between fatal injuries and non-fatal ones but size and location.

    No meaningful difference between an infection that kills you and an infection that doesn't.

    etc etc.

    Immunity to fatal injures would, by all reason, make you immune to all injuries. Or rather, require it as any injury can be fatal in the right circumstances.

    Likewise the same with infections: An immune system that can destroy HIV, Sars, Ebola, and Bubonic Plague all at once within seconds of them entering your body will absolutely destroy the common cold.

    And if your celsl no longer requires food, water, or oxygen from outside sources to survive, then there's no reason tall for you to ever feel hungry or thirsty. You'd only need to breathe to talk, so there's be no issue with suffocation either. Oxygen deprevation woud't even make you lightheaded.
    Again, a fatal injury is an injury that kills you. If it doesn't kill you, it's not fatal.
    Likewise, the immune system of an immortal doesn't have to destroy SARS or Ebola or bubonic plague for this person to be immortal. If they suffer copious amounts of pain, exhibit symptoms but don't die at the end that's essentially the same result, just less pleasant.
    Mutatis mutandis, the same applies to everything you said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keltest View Post
    Immortality is not indestructibility.
    ...If you are immune to the sword through your chest that causes you to bleed to death, the bullet that destroys your brain and instantly kills you, and the spear tipped with feces that kills you a week later from infection, you are logically also immune to paper cuts.

    If you can still suffer injury, sickness, or starvation that's not immortality. That's an evil genie putting you on life support, and you will die as soon as the genie is either defeated or decides that your constant agony isn't amusing anymore.

    Because to live forever requires you to be impervious to anything that could conceivably kill you.

    And that logically includes all firms of harm due to the simple fact that a knife doesn't care if it's slicing off your pinky or plunging into your heart.
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