Tarmor's Terribly Tantalizing Tarasque Terrrifying Random Banter #234

[Keltest]

Rater, you're just definitionally wrong here. As in your definition of immortality is wrong. If something I'd keeping you alive when you would otherwise die, then you're immortal, assuming it applies to all causes of death and lasts forever.

You're adding a bunch of terms and conditions to it that aren't present in the actual meaning of the word.

[Beeftank]

He’s getting too caught up in what circumstances would “realistically” allow someone to be immortal while ignoring the very concept of immortality is unrealistic. Yeah, getting stabbed in the chest and having it heal up would still cause wear and tear because in the real world that’s how healing works, but in the real world people aren’t invulnerable either so I don’t understand what the hang up is.

[Metastachydium]

It's also funny how you keep applying the criteria of nature, hard science and the like when assessing notions of immortality that do not conform to your unreasonably narrow definition of the term. "You are perfectly impervious to black holes" is neither more natural, nor more scientifically plausible than "black holes don't kill you; you live on as an elongated warp in spacetime that is in constant pain." Same goes for "your biological functions need no fuel" and "you don't need intact organs to live."

Edit: Curses! Beeftank was faster than me!

[Anonymouswizard]

What's a Timeless Child? I thought regeneration was stolen from the Great Vampires? Also something something Guardians are IIRC immortal.

[Peelee]

...If you are immune to the sword through your chest that causes you to bleed to death, the bullet that destroys your brain and instantly kills you, and the spear tipped with feces that kills you a week later from infection, you are logically also immune to paper cuts.

You're not immune to those, though. It's just that bleeding out doesn't kill you. Your heart keeps pumping anyway. Your bones keep making blood. It's just that your lungs don't get enough to pull enough oxygen to make you breathe easily. The bullet in your brain just puts you in a coma or severely impairs your cognitive abilities. The spear tipped with feces gives you an infection that makes you feel like death itself but you never succumb to it.

Immortality is not invincibility. Immortality is magically not dying. It's not magically not getting hurt.

[Anonymouswizard]

You're not immune to those, though. It's just that bleeding out doesn't kill you. Your heart keeps pumping anyway. Your bones keep making blood. It's just that your lungs don't get enough to pull enough oxygen to make you breathe easily. The bullet in your brain just puts you in a coma or severely impairs your cognitive abilities. The spear tipped with feces gives you an infection that makes you feel like death itself but you never succumb to it.

Immortality is not invincibility. Immortality is magically not dying. It's not magically not getting hurt.

Wait, are we discussing invulnerability (cannot be haunted) or Invincibility (cannot be defeated)? Big difference there.

[Mystic Muse]

Not to derail the conversation, but we're getting pretty close to the next thread.

[Anonymouswizard]

Not to derail the conversation, but we're getting pretty close to the next thread.

I think we lost the thread pages ago.

[Fyraltari]

It's implied that Jack will eventually become the Face of Boe(spelling?), and then ultimately die of old age. Eventually. Though double-checking it seems he died sacrificing himself instead.

Thus, if those implications are true, then no, he is not immortal.

Even if that's not true, it is explicitly noted that h's still getting aging, just at a much slower rate than other people. Thus, his ability to regenerate from injuries and revive himself upon death is imperfect as he's still accumulating wear and tear over time, it's just, less of it is sticking.

Okay, but if one were to remove the ageing part, would you consider that immortality?

As I understand it, the only being in the franchise that is truly immortal is the Timeless Child

There's the Guardians, The Eternals (assuming Light didn't die, it's a weird episode), the Chronovores, The Great Intelligence (who did die but by scattering himself throughout the doctor's timeline into an absurd number of reincarnations) and I am probably forgetting a few other eldritch abominations. Oh and Rassilon also can regenerate an infinite number of times (and could still turn fools to stone* while being "dead" with a nod).

Edit: Curses! Beeftank was faster than me!

I mean, you are a plant and he has a horse.


*Which is another case of "immortality sucks" these four are forever trapped into being statues and apparently sill conscious and able to move their eyes.

[Metastachydium]

I mean, you are a plant and he has a horse.

…
But hey, at least that damn herbivore is moving away from me!

[halfeye]

Resource scarcity is a myth: As technology improves, our ability to produce food, water, clothing, and shelter for the population increases at a rate that outstrips population growth, and technological improvement over a generation tend to be roughly twice the rate of the previous generation, meaning that the gap between resoruces produced and resources needed will keep getting wider. As it is, a good chunk of the food we grow ends up being thrown out.

Resources are limited. In those cases when there is technically enough to go round, then there are still issues of transportation, and people wanting more than they have, even though they have enough.

[Rater202]

@Fyr: Remove the aging and the inevitable turning into a mortal giant head thing and Jack's power is close enough for government work.

Resources are limited. In those cases when there is technically enough to go round, then there are still issues of transportation, and people wanting more than they have, even though they have enough.

That's less an issue of inherent scarcity and more an issue of logistics.

So, changing the subject... Turns out that one of my cousin's caretakers has Covid really bad.

And his other caretakers all refuse to get vaccinated, except for one woman.

And almost all of them work with multiple people, so...

You ever have one of those days where you're just kind of pissed off at the world because people are being stupid and putting people you care about at risk and there's nothing you can do about it?

[halfeye]

That's less an issue of inherent scarcity and more an issue of logistics.

Transportaion is a resource, isn't it? If someone can't have something because there isn't transportation, they can't have it, the same as if it doesn't exist.

[Mystic Muse]

You ever have one of those days where you're just kind of pissed off at the world because people are being stupid and putting people you care about at risk and there's nothing you can do about it?

Every day since March 2020.

[Rater202]

Transportaion is a resource, isn't it? If someone can't have something because there isn't transportation, they can't have it, the same as if it doesn't exist.

Yes and no. What you're saying is factually true, but in practice, it's less "transportation doesn't exist" and more an issue of "Can we get people to agree to let it be transported?"

[DataNinja]

Given that I've just caught up on about two pages of this going back and forth, with no discernable advancement, I feel like it may just be about time to throw in the towel and move on to something else.


Like plans. Anyone have any fun plans coming up? I'd really like to hope that other people are able to do more than just live inside a room and go to work like I do.

[Peelee]

FINISHED IT WITH A DAY TO GO! Granted, there's still the edging and 3,000 lbs of rubber mulch to put down, but the main structure is complete.

Spoiler: BOOYAKASHA

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[Beeftank]

My dad was in Louisiana working to fix the downed power infrastructure for the last couple weeks and he finally got back today, so I’m gonna go back to the parents house to visit. So that’s neat.

My brother and I are planning on going to vermont week after Thanksgiving with some friends to snowboard. I’ve been doing that for a few years. It’s fun, totally recommend trying snowboarding or skiing to anyone even remotely interested in it.

[Amidus Drexel]

Like plans. Anyone have any fun plans coming up? I'd really like to hope that other people are able to do more than just live inside a room and go to work like I do.

Let's see....

My mom's coming to visit in a few weeks. She lives on the other side of the country, so I don't get to see her often. Definitely looking forward to that.

Gathering ideas for running a Paranoia one-shot sometime in the next month or two. Our current group is kinda small, though, and I think Paranoia works best with a slightly bigger group (gotta embrace the chaos), so I might go digging for extra players among my extended friend group.

I've got some minis I need to paint, but I need to actually go out and get the colors of paint I need (and more primer).

New M:tG set pre-release event is this weekend, which should be fun. No cards in particular I'm excited for, but my wife is hyped about the new Wrenn planeswalker.

[Keltest]

Im probably going to be cursing Penn State this weekend, because theres a home football game and i work in retail, and the students are just... the absolute worst.

[DataNinja]

FINISHED IT WITH A DAY TO GO! Granted, there's still the edging and 3,000 lbs of rubber mulch to put down, but the main structure is complete.

Spoiler: BOOYAKASHA

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Oh, very nice, man!!!

Let's see....

My mom's coming to visit in a few weeks. She lives on the other side of the country, so I don't get to see her often. Definitely looking forward to that.

Gathering ideas for running a Paranoia one-shot sometime in the next month or two. Our current group is kinda small, though, and I think Paranoia works best with a slightly bigger group (gotta embrace the chaos), so I might go digging for extra players among my extended friend group.

I've got some minis I need to paint, but I need to actually go out and get the colors of paint I need (and more primer).

New M:tG set pre-release event is this weekend, which should be fun. No cards in particular I'm excited for, but my wife is hyped about the new Wrenn planeswalker.

Ooh, all of those sound pretty good. Also, clearly you just have an extra character in paranoia that the group controls "together".

[Peelee]

Oh, very nice, man!!!

The ground floor has a little kitchen area with a stove that has flame stickers you can turn do it can be on or off, a power setting dial that clicks, and a sink with clicky hot and cold knobs. There's a utensil hangar that holds two frying pansand a spatula, and on the side there's a bar at the big window along with a chalkboard for writing down the menu, or anything else one can write down.

If I weren't a stickler for relative personal privacy on here, I would absolutely be showing y'all my little cutie patootie having a blast in there, cooking food, turning the stove off, putting his dishes up, and washing his hands all before getting the pans right back down and turning the stove back on immediately. Every part of that thing he could play with he did play with as soon as we finished building that part. He's been having a fun three days while daddy, mommy, and friend worked in the rain.

Worth it, though.

[DataNinja]

Yeah, no, I totally get the desire to make sure you keep the privacy. You paint a vivid picture, at least! Glad it's worth it.

[Mystic Muse]

Taking Network+ on Monday.

If it goes well, this is the last time I ever have to take it.

If it doesn't, I'm moving on and not worrying about it until like 2023. I still need it eventually for various things, but there's only so much good beating my head against a brick wall will do.

[DataNinja]

Taking Network+ on Monday.

If it goes well, this is the last time I ever have to take it.

If it doesn't, I'm moving on and not worrying about it until like 2023. I still need it eventually for various things, but there's only so much good beating my head against a brick wall will do.

Fingers crossed! I hope you do well - and I'm sure you will.

[Rater202]

Like plans. Anyone have any fun plans coming up? I'd really like to hope that other people are able to do more than just live inside a room and go to work like I do.

Does living in a room alternating between reading, amateur writing, and having detailed fantasies about living in other worlds so as to avoid my crippling existential dread count?

[Anonymouswizard]

Taking Network+ on Monday.

If it goes well, this is the last time I ever have to take it.

If it doesn't, I'm moving on and not worrying about it until like 2023. I still need it eventually for various things, but there's only so much good beating my head against a brick wall will do.

Wishing you luck!


I've got a couple of days off starting tomorrow, either four or just the weekend. I'm not sure what I'll do, I'll definitely call my girlfriends and try to write but I suppose I have to get out of the flat as well.

[Rater202]

I've got a little scab or scar or something like that just above my wrist and I don't know where it came from. It's just a tiny little dot. And I keep forgetting it's there because it doesn't hurt or anything and then I notice it out of the corner of my eye and for a brief moment think it's an ant.

And the worst part is the phantom itch doesn't wear off when I remember what it really is, I have to do something else to put it out of mind.

[Form]

FINISHED IT WITH A DAY TO GO! Granted, there's still the edging and 3,000 lbs of rubber mulch to put down, but the main structure is complete.

Spoiler: BOOYAKASHA

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That... that's very impressive. AND there's more on the inside!? All by yourself as well? It really is a great playhouse.

The ground floor has a little kitchen area with a stove that has flame stickers you can turn do it can be on or off,

All it needs now is actual fire!

I kid, please don't put actual fire in there.

Taking Network+ on Monday.

If it goes well, this is the last time I ever have to take it.

If it doesn't, I'm moving on and not worrying about it until like 2023. I still need it eventually for various things, but there's only so much good beating my head against a brick wall will do.

Good, good, good. Let's us know how it went when you get the result?

[Peelee]

That... that's very impressive. AND there's more on the inside!? All by yourself as well? It really is a great playhouse.

Oh my no. Had a friend helping a few days. Still took most of a week. Though two rain days we spent waiting for rain to end before we figured if we kept waiting we wouldn't get it done in time.

Working on the edging now. Much less strenuous on every other part of my body. Much more strenuous on my forearms. So many stakes to hammer in.....fortunately it's relatively fast work. If I'm very, very lucky, I may be able to get all the rubber mulch down today, but I doubt that'll happen.

Also, last day in Birmingham for the foreseeable future! Tomorrow is nonstop driving all day to a friend's house, then more driving to the hotel Sunday, and check in for training super early Monday morning for my new job!