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    Default Savage Worlds/Deadlands - newbie advices?

    So I just joined an online game of the most recent edition of Deadlands, a system I absolutely do not know. The Gm ran me through the basics and my character creation, and while I am satisfied with the backstory/thematic, I am less sure regarding how the game will actually play out.

    Anyone have just a few advices regarding how the game actually plays out? The kind of things that may not pop up when doing a customary review of the rules?

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    Spend your bennies, play your flaws.

    Bennies are not to be hoarded... spend them freely. You get refilled at the next session, and if you play your flaws, you should be getting more.

    Don't forget your wild die.

    Getting hurt is bad. My brother-in-law doesn't like Savage Worlds because of what he calls the "death spiral"... get hurt, you get less effective, and you are more likely to die.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Hall View Post
    Spend your bennies...
    Getting hurt is bad.
    The number one thing I've learned from my first few sessions running Deadlands is that bennies are not optional extras--they're absolutely critical to your character's survival. Like, to the point that they're effectively a health pool. If you get hit, you soak or you die.

    I would also say "don't take anything to seriously." Exploding dice mean that absurdily unlikely successes can and will happen, on both sides of the screen. Random extras will manage to chuck a stick of dynamite through a small window from sixty feet away; huge scary monsters will be turned to chunky salsa by a single gunshot. Be ready for the dice to do something horrible to you, and laugh when it happens.
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    Oh: And it may be cheap, but Nitroglycerin is NOT YOUR FRIEND.
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    What's your character, if you're allowed to say?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cygnia View Post
    What's your character, if you're allowed to say?
    I decided to be a cajun woodsman expert, as mundane as can be since my fellow wild cards will be mad scientist/religious caster and even a chi fighter.

    I wanted my backstory to be on the run from Louisiana 'cause I helped the Underground railroad through the swamps, but the GM explained that in the current time frame, Slavery has been a abolished since about a decade. So I jumped on the opportunity to make my character older, and gave him the Veteran edge.

    So he's literally an old-timer woodsman who knows his way around, on the run from the CSA for a crime that is no longer illegal. Great agility, poor Strenght, fantastic marksmanship and survival.

    I think I'll play it as "the guide" for these newbies to the Wasteland

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    As everyone else is saying, bennies must flow. both from the player and the Marshal. They are purposely there to help counter balance the wild swinging of exploding dice. The rules are pretty simple 4 to succeed 8 to raise, etc.

    We just are finishing the heaston hill adventure in our Deadlands game and Its a lot of fun and nice to know the same system can be played with various settings without re-learning too much.
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    After playing 3 sessions..

    First of all, I would like to thank everyone who provided the advice "don't hoard your bennies". Because I end up having juuuust not enough Benny most session while my fellow players usually have many leftovers.

    Obviously, 2 times out of 3, I spend 1 or 2 benny on rerolls that yield 2s and 3s

    But no regret. The whole "play your hindrance to get back bennies" is a really fun way to drive the plot and flow of characters. I love the back and forth with the Marshall.

    Otherwise, as a nonspellcaster I am a bit worried that I just shoot my gun every round.


    However, this is one of the nicest system I've had the chance to try. You really get to "play out" the West.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cikomyr2 View Post
    After playing 3 sessions..

    First of all, I would like to thank everyone who provided the advice "don't hoard your bennies". Because I end up having juuuust not enough Benny most session while my fellow players usually have many leftovers.

    Obviously, 2 times out of 3, I spend 1 or 2 benny on rerolls that yield 2s and 3s

    But no regret. The whole "play your hindrance to get back bennies" is a really fun way to drive the plot and flow of characters. I love the back and forth with the Marshall.

    Otherwise, as a nonspellcaster I am a bit worried that I just shoot my gun every round.


    However, this is one of the nicest system I've had the chance to try. You really get to "play out" the West.
    I've only ever played Deadlands Classic, so I don't know how Savage World deadlands is

    But when it comes to pure combat effectiveness (in classic anyway), you don't get much better than a Gunslinger in most scenarios. Bullets are really, really good at killing things, and most spellcaster combat options are some combination of high-risk, unreliable, or just...extra steps to approach the brutal efficiency of a shotgun, rifle, or double-action pistol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BRC View Post
    I've only ever played Deadlands Classic, so I don't know how Savage World deadlands is

    But when it comes to pure combat effectiveness (in classic anyway), you don't get much better than a Gunslinger in most scenarios. Bullets are really, really good at killing things, and most spellcaster combat options are some combination of high-risk, unreliable, or just...extra steps to approach the brutal efficiency of a shotgun, rifle, or double-action pistol.
    I'm four sessions into Savage Worlds Deadlands (five, once my last player gets online), but that's been my experience too-- by far the scariest PC to date has been the gal with the double-barreled shotgun. I don't think you'll be too bored; this game has overly-extensive gun mechanics.
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    So a point of rule I am wondering and the internet seems divided over it.

    If you use the edge "Marksman" and you have a scope, do you get the Scope's bonus? or the scope's bonus is only effective if you take the FULL aim action?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cikomyr2 View Post
    So a point of rule I am wondering and the internet seems divided over it.

    If you use the edge "Marksman" and you have a scope, do you get the Scope's bonus? or the scope's bonus is only effective if you take the FULL aim action?
    My ruling would be:

    Marksman removes 2 points of penalties, even without aim.
    If they do Aim, they get another 4 points (or +2 to the roll)
    If they Aim with a Scope, they get another 2 points cancelled.

    So, if you are a Marksman who Aims with a Scope, you can ignore 4 points of penalties (Marksman + Scope) and get a +2 to your roll, or ignore 6 points of penalties you've somehow accumulated.

    If you don't Aim, you don't get the benefit of Aim or the Scope, but you still get to ignore two points of penalties. The scope specifically says that its benefits apply when aiming; ergo, you must be aiming to get the Scope benefit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cikomyr2 View Post
    After playing 3 sessions..

    First of all, I would like to thank everyone who provided the advice "don't hoard your bennies". Because I end up having juuuust not enough Benny most session while my fellow players usually have many leftovers.

    Obviously, 2 times out of 3, I spend 1 or 2 benny on rerolls that yield 2s and 3s

    But no regret. The whole "play your hindrance to get back bennies" is a really fun way to drive the plot and flow of characters. I love the back and forth with the Marshall.

    Otherwise, as a nonspellcaster I am a bit worried that I just shoot my gun every round.


    However, this is one of the nicest system I've had the chance to try. You really get to "play out" the West.
    As others have said, shooting every round is fine. Maybe it's not super interesting, but it's consistent, good damage output and you will put more things in the ground than most of the fancy people.

    Ive played classic twice, and both times I was a gunslinger,though the first I was also a Faithful. Pretty much just used it for healing.

    Savage worlds is great and if you get bored of shooting, don't be afraid to go grab some skills and go for that. It's amazing what a d6 in something gets you
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cikomyr2 View Post
    Otherwise, as a nonspellcaster I am a bit worried that I just shoot my gun every round.
    Don't be afraid to do things other than shoot. Chuck a rock to distract someone, kick dirt in the bad guy's eyes, rile up the horses and cause a stampede, climb on the roof and jump down on the guard. Savage Worlds doesn't rely on the "action economy" of games like 5E and the rounds go so quick that you can do "other things" without ruining the action for everyone, or sitting there for 20 minutes waiting to go again.

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    All right.

    I may have managed to acquire a Gatling pistol and single-handely wiped all minions of the Nosferatu we hunted down in a single round.


    I get the point now. Guns are really powerful. Although our group was getting almost TPK by the minions and fully engaged in melee. I just decided to LITERALLY Spray and Pray; clamoring a prayer that God would shield His owns and Smite the Wicked.

    The other players admitted they were so tense; they genuinely believed we were going to all die in that fight to the Vampires. Half the group was on 3 wounds already, when I drew the Ace of Hearts and finished the battle in one go.

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