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Thread: Smite and clerics
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2021-09-20, 05:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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2021-09-20, 06:09 PM (ISO 8601)
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2021-09-20, 07:09 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Smite and clerics
This statement... confuses me greatly. Perhaps I misunderstood what you were saying initially? I heartily agree that only things that say they give you a bonus, give you a bonus?
What I think you were saying is that you can never get X Stat to Y bonus twice, even if they are from completely different sources? If so, then I have seen arguments for, and against, this reading.My winning competition entries: Kinvig Arrumskor | The Great Pumpkinhead | Wynfrith d'Acker
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2021-09-20, 09:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Smite and clerics
What I am saying is that smite doesn't give you a charisma bonus to attack rolls. All it does is let you apply something you already have to something else it normally wouldn't. Your charisma score is what gives you your charisma bonus. Because of this, there is nothing to stack in the first place. Monk AC and Swordsage AC don't stack not because they have the same bonus, but because they do the exact same thing. If they stacked it would be like saying weapon finesse gives light thrown weapons double dex bonus to attack on ranged attacks. In all of these cases none of the effects give you a bonus. Take a look at brutal throw. It uses the the same phrasing as smite:
She adds her Charisma bonus (if any) to her attack rollYou can add your Strength modifier (instead of your Dexterity modifier) to attack rolls with thrown weapons.Last edited by Darg; 2021-09-20 at 09:10 PM.
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2021-09-20, 09:49 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Smite and clerics
I think I get your point, but honestly, I've never seen someone word it in quite that way before.
In any case, I'm having a rough day at work, so I'm not really interested in debating the RAW of this. You are welcome to your POV.My winning competition entries: Kinvig Arrumskor | The Great Pumpkinhead | Wynfrith d'Acker
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2021-09-21, 07:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Smite and clerics
Ordained Champion has spontaneous war domain, which makes Holy Warrior [Reserve] nearly always available.
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2021-09-21, 09:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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2021-09-22, 11:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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2021-09-23, 12:33 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Smite and clerics
What are you arguing? Swordsage AC Bonus special ability =/= Monk AC bonus special ability. Vampires are given a specific exception to being destroyed at 0 HP under Slaying a Vampire. Specific rules trump general rules.
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2021-09-23, 03:35 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Smite and clerics
If I'm reading Darg's argument correctly, he's saying that having two abilities that say "you add your Wisdom bonus to your AC" doesn't give you double Wisdom bonus, because you're not adding separate boni, just the one. It's like having two istances of Power Attack: it doesn't let you Power Attack +.
If one of the abilities said "you gain a [type] bonus to your AC equal to your Wisdom modifier", then it could stack with the other under this reading, I suppose.
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2021-09-23, 09:41 AM (ISO 8601)
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2021-09-23, 09:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Smite and clerics
One interesting thing to note is that the Ninja, whose AC bonus works exactly like the monk's, has an explicit provision that keeps it from stacking with the Monk's. So at least somebody doing design seemed to have thought that they probably would stack and put in words to keep it from happening.
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2021-09-24, 08:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Smite and clerics
Monk is "X + (Y/Z)" though. As is (CA) Ninja for that matter. Even in the "well, ToB is supposed to replace all that" you still have Shadow Sun Ninja referencing monk levels. (Also, kind of odd to have Warblades with no bonus feats because there are no Fighters and thus no fighter bonus feats)
On that note Deepwarden and Fist of the Forest have other differences besides "This is named Stone Warden"
Power Attack is a feat, and feats generally can't be taken again.