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    I'm not crazy. If I'm alive tomorrow I will look through your posts and see if I'm missing something. But my point was less "BW is suspicious" and more "I have way too many townreads".

    Murska, what information does Emmy flipping town give us? Other than "we had TvT wagons day two so which one people were on is largely NAI"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by gac3 View Post
    To be fair, better to kill the seer who hasn't done anything than not kill them and lose another townie on top of an auto lynch.
    Gonna disagree there - Sugapoof may just not be active on the weekends. If that's the case, really sorry Suga.

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    ...getting seriously paranoid right now, because I think in a lot of worlds wolves have an easy path to victory here.

    I need to take some time to think this over. I'm going to sleep on it, and if I still believe in it in the morning I will let you know what it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaoimhinTheCape View Post
    Gonna disagree there - Sugapoof may just not be active on the weekends. If that's the case, really sorry Suga.
    Haven't they only posted once in the entire week? That's not an "inactive on weekends" case.
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    My paranoia is in overdrive.

    General call: don't post anything in your role QT that you wouldn't be fine sharing in public. There could be a wolf version of Supagoof's role.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaoimhinTheCape View Post
    Gonna disagree there - Sugapoof may just not be active on the weekends. If that's the case, really sorry Suga.
    Quote Originally Posted by Snowblaze View Post
    My paranoia is in overdrive.

    General call: don't post anything in your role QT that you wouldn't be fine sharing in public. There could be a wolf version of Supagoof's role.
    If there is, they should target me. I totally know all the town secrets. Totally not a lie.

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    ...okay, yeah, I was probably over-reacting. Even in the worst-case scenario we still have a mislynch before LyLo and Iíd say we have a good shot at hitting a wolf in two attempts.

    Just donít blindly kill Emmy tomorrow. Have counterwagons. Re-evaluate. Consider town!Emmy worlds. Make everyone produce content and take stances on the wagons. I doubt Iíll be alive to do any of that... although then again Iíve only narrowly escaped one death so far so I should have a Get Out Of Death Free left.
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    I mean, yeah, don't be stupid about it.
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    Just so everyone is aware, the Cao/blade chat made by gac currently has 6 Unique views (2 users who have not logged in). We suspect that chat has been compromised somehow with the two extra views (The 4 logged in views are AV, myself, Blade, Gac).

    There really isn't much extra I've posted in that chat aside from speculating on a possible night kill/what wolves would do with someone in a chat made by gac. The kill target thing ends up being WIFOM so in case I die, wanted to say I trust blade right now and think the chat got leaked through a power. Don't give him a free pass but if he were a wolf I'd expect 1 extra user not 2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaoimhinTheCape View Post
    Just so everyone is aware, the Cao/blade chat made by gac currently has 6 Unique views (2 users who have not logged in). We suspect that chat has been compromised somehow with the two extra views (The 4 logged in views are AV, myself, Blade, Gac).

    There really isn't much extra I've posted in that chat aside from speculating on a possible night kill/what wolves would do with someone in a chat made by gac. The kill target thing ends up being WIFOM so in case I die, wanted to say I trust blade right now and think the chat got leaked through a power. Don't give him a free pass but if he were a wolf I'd expect 1 extra user not 2.

    a) I'm pretty sure the rules specifically said "no linking QTs, even with your wolfbuddies" so that's not evidence for town!blade

    b) okay, that implies I was right about part of my paranoia. If the wolf with Supagoof's power targeted gac3, wolves would get the link to you/blade which is in gac3's role QT... though what's more concerning is that wolves would also get the redacted part of gac3's role PM which they haven't shared, plus (if one is willing to out themself) be able to communicate freely with them and persuade them to side with wolves.

    So... yeah. Trying to work out if I want to die and avoid dealing with this mess or live so I can try and work out what I'm wrong about/who I'm incorrectly townreading.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowblaze View Post
    a) I'm pretty sure the rules specifically said "no linking QTs, even with your wolfbuddies" so that's not evidence for town!blade
    Also on that note it could possibly simply be AV or Gac or Cao not keeping themselves logged in and the view got recorded.

    Unless 2 people have powers that have somehow enabled them to get into that QT then we're dealing with at least one false positive on that list.
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    ...okay. I just realised that thereís very little chance I survive tonight. Which means I should just out what I came up with yesterday evening.

    Iím not saying this is right. There is definitely a possibility that Iím just seeing what I want to see and finding connections that arenít there. But I think I need to just put my cards on the table at this point.

    My theory: the team is Murska/Book Wombat.


    Yes, I am aware that Murska voted for Apogee. But immediately after voting Apogee, he posted this:

    Quote Originally Posted by Murska View Post
    A wolf would definitely take a 50% chance of being full cleared and 50% chance of dying. Just saying.
    If he thinks any wolf would do that, heíd clearly do it as a wolf himself. And a player who would risk a 50% chance of death to be cleared is also a player who would throw his partner under the bus to be cleared. And in those circumstances... Xihirli was around and was likely to vote Apogee. Someone else could also do that, and then wolves would be screwed. Itís a move Iíd consider myself in that position, though I donít know if Iíd have the nerve to go through with it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Murska View Post
    I think we need to lynch Emmy tomorrow. For information as much as for being wolfy.
    This was what triggered my paranoia in the first place. That ďeasy route to victoryĒ I mentioned? What I was thinking at the time was ďmislynch Emmy day three, persuade gac3 to wolfside so day four is LyLo, and Aventine always votes bladescape so if theyíre TvT wolves can pile on and winĒ. I donít know if thatís actually possible in practice (gac3 is too much of an unknown; incidentally, gac3, Iíd really appreciate it if youíd be willing to backstab wolves and work with us.)

    But this post is pushing the exact agenda wolves need to win.

    Quote Originally Posted by Murska View Post
    I would certainly not clear Emmy based on a Supagoof town flip. There is little the wolves can do if under suspicion by the people who got a wolf killed yesterday, but bus.
    I found this post... slightly odd... at the time and it also fits the wolf agenda. The last thing wolves want is me clearing someone they have marked as an important mislynch.

    Short on time so Iíll give you the tl;dr on BW:
    - I still havenít found a reason to tr him
    - heís been posting at night but not really contributing as much in the day (this makes sense in my head but I donít know if itís a valid read)
    - Murska voting Supagoof yesterday when BW already had a vote could mean theyíre partnered.

    Will elaborate more if I have time later.
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    Some notes:

    1. I am like very very confident that BW/Murska are not the remaining wolves. Like, would bet my victory on it confident. Maybe one of them but not both.

    2. I'd say there's a decent chance my personal QT can't be compromised.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gac3 View Post
    Some notes:

    1. I am like very very confident that BW/Murska are not the remaining wolves. Like, would bet my victory on it confident. Maybe one of them but not both.

    2. I'd say there's a decent chance my personal QT can't be compromised.
    ...can you explain both of those, please?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowblaze View Post
    ...can you explain both of those, please?
    Just trust me for now. I will explain once night ends.

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    Night Two Ends


    As the night goes on, another of your number disappears into the heavens due to the actions of the exorcists, influenced by the saboteurs. However, as you look around, you realize there is another spirit missing, one that nobody noticed leave. Perhaps she found peace in not knowing that the rest of you are denied.


    Snowblaze was killed. They were a Ghost.

    EmmyNecromancer was autolynched by request. They were a Ghost.

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    Both of them was town? I had almost convinced myself that Snow's warning was a wolf trying to score towncred.

    I don't know what to think about the Murska/BW theory, I need to go back and reread some things.

    Quote Originally Posted by gac3 View Post
    1. I am like very very confident that BW/Murska are not the remaining wolves. Like, would bet my victory on it confident. Maybe one of them but not both.
    Gut feeling or do you have some mysterius medium insight in the matter?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Batcathat View Post
    Both of them was town? I had almost convinced myself that Snow's warning was a wolf trying to score towncred.

    I don't know what to think about the Murska/BW theory, I need to go back and reread some things.



    Gut feeling or do you have some mysterius medium insight in the matter?
    Yes. My role as Medium has provided some evidence that one of them is about as confirmed town as you can get in this game.

    Also the redacted part of my role.

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    Also I'm town to pretty much definitely winning night 3. Only two people left to mark off my list

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    But the redacted part is why I think I am not compromised QT wise.

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    Player List:
    1. Apogee1 - Psychic Polterguist
    2. Aventine - ???
    3. Batcathat- ???
    4. Book Wombat - ??? Ghost
    5. bladescape - ???
    6.CaoimhinTheCape - ???
    7.EmmyNecromancer - Ghost
    8. gac3 - Medium
    9. Murska - ???
    10. rogue_alchemist - Ghost
    11. Snowblaze - Ghost
    12. Supagoof - Possessive Ghost
    13. Xihirli - ???
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    Seven people left (I left me out for now).

    Worst case for town:
    2 wolves.
    5-2
    Mislynch today
    4-2
    Night kill
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    So tomorrow is lynch or lose for town. So interesting.

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    for now

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    Also Snow's death makes me feel confident my personal QT has not been compromised.

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    Isn't worst case for town... 3 wolves?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xihirli View Post
    Isn't worst case for town... 3 wolves?
    Would you put four wolves in a 12 player game?

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    I am somewhat surprised to be alive as well. Later tonight I can do a more detailed read but for now I think it would be helpful for everyone to put down a vote/top 2 suspects.

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    Day 3 - 2 Wolves - 5 Town - 1 Neutral
    Night 3 - 2 Wolves - 4 Town - 1 Neutral
    Day 4 - 2 Wolves - 3 Town - 1 Neutral
    Night 4 - 2 Wolves - 2 Town - 1 Neutral


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    Day 3 - 3 Wolves - 4 Town - 1 Neutral
    Night 3 - 3 Wolves - 3 Town - 1 Neutral
    Day 4 - 3 Wolves - 2 Town - 1 Neutral


    Quote Originally Posted by gac3 View Post
    Seven people left (I left me out for now).

    Worst case for town:
    2 wolves.
    5-2
    Mislynch today
    4-2
    Night kill
    3-2


    So tomorrow is lynch or lose for town. So interesting.
    gac, you seem to be working with town so far but that's not quite the case. If you decide to side with Wolves tomorrow that's 3 v 3 and Town basically loses. Today is important even if we have a shot with you tomorrow.

    If we started with 4 Wolves (and have 3 remaining) then today is lynch or lose and we need Gac on our side.


    Quote Originally Posted by gac3 View Post
    Yes. My role as Medium has provided some evidence that one of them is about as confirmed town as you can get in this game.
    Is that something you'd be willing to share with the class? I have a suspicion on what you mean but I don't want to jump to conclusions.





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    Not my secret to share. Waiting on permission.

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    Claiming to maybe help against confusion.
    I'm the Psychic Ghost.
    Night 1 I targeted gac3 and myself with the goal to help them and on Night 2 gac3 and Snowblaze.
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    Batcathat, I guess. I'm a ghost.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Book Wombat View Post
    Claiming to maybe help against confusion.
    I'm the Psychic Ghost.
    Night 1 I targeted gac3 and myself with the goal to help them and on Night 2 gac3 and Snowblaze.
    This is what I've been alluding to. Since the wolf with this power is dead, I feel confident Book is basically confirmed town.

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    Aventine: Book Wombat, bladescape
    Snowblaze: Supagoof, Apogee1, Aventine
    rogue_alchemist: Batcathat
    Apogee1: Snowblaze, CaoimhinTheCape, Murska, rogue_alchemist, Xihirli, gac3
    No Vote: EmmyNecromancer




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    EmmyNecromancer: gac3, Batcathat, Book Wombat, bladescape
    Supagoof: Murska, Snowblaze, Xihirli, CaoimhinTheCape, Aventine



    So, we know now that both Day 2 wagons were town - Aventine's vote on Bladescape could be coming from Town or Wolf, no indication there. Aventine and myself were voting Book for a bit but obviously those votes (and the vote on Blade) wasn't trying to save anybody.

    Confirming that Day 1 wagons (Snow and RA) were both town until the jump to Apogee means I still feel good about Murksa and Xi. Gac was the last person to join that wagon, coming from RA. If both were Wolves they would have had the votes (particularly late in the Day) to save Apogee, I'd say at most 1 is a Wolf.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gac3 View Post
    BatCatHat for now
    Quote Originally Posted by Murska View Post
    Batcathat, I guess. I'm a ghost.
    Two votes and zero motivation. I kind of suspect that gac (whether or not helping the wolves) has some selfish motivations. Assuming he's honest about his wincon, I'm one of the people he still need to contact but only as long as I'm alive.

    Murska following along without any explanation seems shady, especially in combination with Snow's arguments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Batcathat View Post
    Two votes and zero motivation. I kind of suspect that gac (whether or not helping the wolves) has some selfish motivations. Assuming he's honest about his wincon, I'm one of the people he still need to contact but only as long as I'm alive.

    Murska following along without any explanation seems shady, especially in combination with Snow's arguments.
    Yeah. You or Aventine. So baring any real evidence so far... I might as well vote one of you

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