OOTS #1242 - The Discussion Thread

[Morquard]

Why do you think the protection from evil clasp didn't protect Belkar from the fear effect?

Belkar didn't have the clasp active.

[Phantom Thief]

"I hate these filthy neutrals. With enemies you know where you stand, but neutrals? Who knows."

[Kardwill]

Fair. The implication I got was that it was a standard action, just the wire "freedom" (as Holy Word, for example), but I'll cop to there being nothing to really indicate that otherwise.

We just missed the 1 minute long awesome guit... Lute solo that came before that word ^^

[Fyraltari]

Why do you think the protection from evil clasp didn't protect Belkar from the fear effect?

Because it has to be turned on?

[Quizatzhaderac]

That reminds me that there is still (what I believe to be) an Earth Elemental, or perhaps a Mimic, covering the door. The order is not aware of the presence of that creature. That means it has the element of surprise and is potentially anotehr very powerful creature for them to deal with.

It's a surprise elemental.

[JonahFalcon]

Because it has to be turned on?

And the clasp being active is ... painful for Belkar.

[danielxcutter]

Pretty sure Rich clarified that Mimi's a mimic yeah.

[Wintermoot]

Pretty sure Rich clarified that Mimi's a mimic yeah.

Where? I saw people hypothesing she's a mimic, but nothing from Rich directly.

[danielxcutter]

Where? I saw people hypothesing she's a mimic, but nothing from Rich directly.

His Twitter account. There's a link to that in the sidebar, isn't there? Shouldn't be that far back.

[Fyraltari]

His Twitter account. There's a link to that in the sidebar, isn't there? Shouldn't be that far back.

Strictly speaking, all he said was a joke about treasure chests being designed after mimics rather than the other way around. But given the context it's almost a confirmation that Mimi's a mimic.

[Hasric]

Reminds me of how effective V was as a lizard

[wilphe]

Thanks to your prompt to review that panel, I've also noticed later Haley saying "V and the boys are all out of it". So Haley doesn't think of V as one of the boys. Interesting.

This is consistent with

https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0123.html

Where Haley shares a room with V

[Wintermoot]

Strictly speaking, all he said was a joke about treasure chests being designed after mimics rather than the other way around. But given the context it's almost a confirmation that Mimi's a mimic.

Yeah I went and read it. It don't really see it as confirmation. But then again I'm heavily invested in believing Mimi is an Earth Elemental so there's some bias.

[Dion]

So Haley doesn't think of V as one of the boys. Interesting.

I believe V is not a boy.

But given the context it's almost a confirmation that Mimi's a mimic.

Also, Mimi is shown mimicking both a pile of debris and a wall. She may not *be* a mimic, but she certainly has the ability to mimic a mimic.

[Yuki Akuma]

I believe V is not a boy.

V is not a boy. At the very least, V is a fully grown adult.

[Blue Dragon]

I don't get it.


Also, who's better? Calm Emotions Belkar or Owl's Wisdom Belkar?

Owl's Wisdom Belkar

[Liquor Box]

Because "fear" is not exercising ongoing mental control.

https://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/pr...onFromEvil.htm



If the beholder's Spell-like-Ability is the same as the spell (except for being a ray rather than a cone), then it's necromancy, not enchantment:

https://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/fear.htm

The Fear spell is listed as mind effecting, and I can't see anything in any of the other spell descriptors (confusion or crushing despair etc) don't seem to have anything specifying that they exercise mental control. I don't see any distinction in the spell descriptions.

Belkar didn't have the clasp active.

Because it has to be turned on?

Makes sense, I assumed it was permanent because Elan doesn't appear to turn it on

[bunsen_h]

Makes sense, I assumed it was permanent because Elan doesn't appear to turn it on

When Belkar first acquired the thing, he was told to activate it by rubbing it.

[Blue Dragon]

Finally! Couldn't wait anymore! Great comic, already looking forward the next strip!

And hoping that Team Evil don't arrive at the worst possible moment.

[JT]

Owl's Wisdom Belkar

Calm Emotions Belkar doesn't really care what you think.

[BriarHobbit]

This was a great comic. I was dismayed that Durkon failed his Fortitude save and has been knocked out of the fight. There were so many surprises in this comic. Scratch is stronger that I thought, as he tosses around a certain polymorphed T-Rex. That T-Rex/lizard is smarter than it looks. The party is still in serious trouble. I hope that they can pull this one out.

[danielxcutter]

The Fear spell is listed as mind effecting, and I can't see anything in any of the other spell descriptors (confusion or crushing despair etc) don't seem to have anything specifying that they exercise mental control. I don't see any distinction in the spell descriptions.

Second, the barrier blocks any attempt to possess the warded creature (by a magic jar attack, for example) or to exercise mental control over the creature (including enchantment (charm) effects and enchantment (compulsion) effects that grant the caster ongoing control over the subject, such as dominate person).

Fear is a Mind-Affecting spell, but does not possess or mentally control the target. Therefore, Protection From [Alignment] can't block against it. It also wouldn't be able to block against spells like Power Word Kill, for example. Charm Person is an Enchantment(Charm) effect though, so the clasp's effect works just fine on Elan.

[Fyraltari]

This was a great comic. I was dismayed that Durkon failed his Fortitude save and has been knocked out of the fight. There were so many surprises in this comic. Scratch is stronger that I thought, as he tosses around a certain polymorphed T-Rex. That T-Rex/lizard is smarter than it looks. The party is still in serious trouble. I hope that they can pull this one out.

Mr. Scruffy once disemboweled a gladiator in one strike, fighting a polymorphed allosaurus to a standstill is not out of the question.

[danielxcutter]

Mr. Scruffy once disemboweled a gladiator in one strike, fighting a polymorphed allosaurus to a standstill is not out of the question.

To be fair that gladiator was just a level 1 Commoner.

[The MunchKING]

V is not a boy. At the very least, V is a fully grown adult.

And yet Roy, Elan, Durkon, and Belkar ARE?

[Schroeswald]

And yet Roy, Elan, Durkon, and Belkar ARE?

Are you sure Belkar and Elan are fully grown adults? Are you sure?

[LuPuWei]

For the 'Dumb Fighter' of the team, poor Roy keeps getting 'Professor X'ed...

[KorvinStarmast]

I was dismayed that Durkon failed his Fortitude save

Demands of plot.

[Riftwolf]

Demands of plot.

Wonder if there's a prestige class for petrified dwarves...
Also nice to see Minrah being low-level effective and Bloodfeast being suspiciously intelligent.

[Quizatzhaderac]

And yet Roy, Elan, Durkon, and Belkar ARE?

Haley obvious means "boys" in the sense of pre-marriage males; which is everyone except V and herself.