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    New comic:
    Do PIE fighters have a "forward"?
    I thought the position of the pilot inside was fairly manoeuvrable.
    Also if they were based on pies in the first place, they wouldn't have a "front". Although that might imply that they fly more like saucers, rather than the vertical alignment we normally see them in the films.
    X-wings, on the other hand, clearly have an longitudinal axis. Three distinct orthogonal axes, come to that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by theangelJean View Post
    Do PIE fighters have a "forward"?
    I thought the position of the pilot inside was fairly manoeuvrable.
    TIE Fighter cockpits are never shown rotating independently of the hexagonal wing panels in the movies - whether in the Original or the Sequel Trilogy - and the axis running from the center of the cockpit out the window ahead of the pilot always appears to be aligned with a major axis of the hexagonal wing panels whereas if the cockpit could rotate independently of the wing panels you'd expect that you would at least occasionally see an alignment of the cockpit and the wing panels which isn't that.

    Also, other TIE-series craft seen in the films - Darth Vader's fighter, the TIE Bombers (and the blink-and-you'll-miss-it TIE Shuttle, although that one's pretty difficult to make out) seen in The Empire Strikes Back, the TIE Interceptors seen in Return of the Jedi, and most of the EU TIE variants - all have a pretty clear-cut longitudinal axis.

    Also if they were based on pies in the first place, they wouldn't have a "front". Although that might imply that they fly more like saucers, rather than the vertical alignment we normally see them in the films.
    I don't think that they used pies (or saucers or other similarly-shaped things) as markers for the fighters in the Darths & Droids game, I think Jim just misremembered the name of the fighters and the name that he used is the name that stuck with the group - the GM names the fighters TIE Fighters when the party escapes the Peace Moon, but Jim names the fighters PIE Fighters a session or two later when the Peace Moon scrambles fighters to deal with the Rebel attack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeson View Post
    I don't think that they used pies (or saucers or other similarly-shaped things) as markers for the fighters in the Darths & Droids game, I think Jim just misremembered the name of the fighters and the name that he used is the name that stuck with the group - the GM names the fighters TIE Fighters when the party escapes the Peace Moon, but Jim names the fighters PIE Fighters a session or two later when the Peace Moon scrambles fighters to deal with the Rebel attack.
    As of Rogue One, they were originally named TIE fighters by Jim, then renamed to PIEs by Jim one movie later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeson View Post
    I don't think that they used pies (or saucers or other similarly-shaped things) as markers for the fighters in the Darths & Droids game, I think Jim just misremembered the name of the fighters and the name that he used is the name that stuck with the group - the GM names the fighters TIE Fighters when the party escapes the Peace Moon, but Jim names the fighters PIE Fighters a session or two later when the Peace Moon scrambles fighters to deal with the Rebel attack.
    Apparently my headcanon is inaccurate. (Also I'd forgotten how long-running this comic was.) I could have sworn there was a fighter misnamed for a food item which was standing in as a mini. But I finally trawled through both sections of the comic you were referring to, and you're right, I was mistaken.

    As an aside, I've been pondering the wisdom of having my 8-year-old's first Star Wars experience be Darths and Droids. She loves comics and graphic novels, we've read her all of the OoTS books and 13 volumes of Girl Genius and she regularly re-reads them. She doesn't like live action where there's any kind of danger, so she's not ready for the movies any time soon. We have "8 minute Star Wars stories" (I think it's ages 3+) and she loved that. I'm a bit worried D&D would completely ruin the movies for her - I'm just imagining "they ruined Jar-Jar!" But she walked in while I was archive trawling and read a few pages - I'd started from Ep IV - and now she wants to read from the beginning, so ... Too late?
    I'm pretty much the opposite of concise. If I fail to get to the point, please ask me and I'm happy to (attempt to) clarify.

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    To be fair, it's Jar Jar.
    I don't think reading Darths and Droids first will make that experience any worse.
    A bigger issue might be that some elements of the comic work better if you know the movies.
    ("Jar Jar, you are a genius"*, Vader's identity...)

    *I still would wear that one as a shirt. Just to see the reactions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by theangelJean View Post
    I could have sworn there was a fighter misnamed for a food item which was standing in as a mini.
    IIRC, the model for the Millennium Falcon comes from a sandwich. I think that little pilot's cabin that sticks out was an olive or something. You could be getting that memory mixed up with the name of the PIE fighters...
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    I also want to say that they used food as props in the giant battle of Attack of the Clones, for structures and vehicles. But I'm too lazy to double check that.
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    They absolutely did that, but that wasn't directly related to the naming of the TIEs/PIEs, given the time gap.'

    Edit: Also, during the strips where such food-based representation was happening, all the vehicle classes had very sober, non-food-related names associated with them.
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    I was wondering where everyone went. I went to formulate a reply to memnarch's speculation about what was happening in the movie at this point, but I couldn't actually remember any details other than what we can see in the screen grabs. I'm probably more interested in the comic than the movie itself at the moment, and TFA hasn't yet attained rewatch value yet - compared to the OT where multiple people here know sections by heart, if not the whole thing.

    And then a new comic came out. Back in a bit, off to perform chi-squared tests on all my dice ...
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