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[SirKazum]

To be a bit of a pedant:

When you think about it, milk is one of the extremely few animal products that is produced for the purpose of being eaten. Its evolutionary role is to provide nutrition to young animals. Honey could also fall into this category, being produced by bees specifically to serve as food.

I think nectar and, to some extent (and not always), fruit would apply too. AFAIK, nectar is there to lure insects and birds so they'll pollinate, and most fruit is also there to be eaten by animals who will then drop or poop out the seeds to plant them away from the parent tree.

[Keltest]

To be a bit of a pedant:



I think nectar and, to some extent (and not always), fruit would apply too. AFAIK, nectar is there to lure insects and birds so they'll pollinate, and most fruit is also there to be eaten by animals who will then drop or poop out the seeds to plant them away from the parent tree.

Yeah, but nectar and fruit are plant products, not animal products.

[SirKazum]

Yeah, but nectar and fruit are plant products, not animal products.

Ow I suppose failing to notice some crucial detail that makes me look like an ass is on-brand for someone out to correct others. So I'll just take the L.

[KillianHawkeye]

As someone who has facial hair that sometimes gets a bit unkempt like Luke's, I can confirm that hair absorbs liquids and one often needs to wipe off one's face after drinking anything from an open container.

[PoeticallyPsyco]

Ow I suppose failing to notice some crucial detail that makes me look like an ass is on-brand for someone out to correct others. So I'll just take the L.

In fairness, their first paragraph was about how all food is from living things, and it's only in the second paragraph that they narrow it down to animal products specifically.

[137beth]

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Dang Mem's commentary...so close before saying it doesn't seem like the kind of thing Star Wars would do.

[SirKazum]

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Dang Mem's commentary...so close before saying it doesn't seem like the kind of thing Star Wars would do.

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I think memnarch is slowly catching on to what this movie is, and (in part) why it's so divisive, as it's about as un-Star-Wars as a main-line Star Wars movie gets.

[Anonymouswizard]

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Yeah, compared to the film this makes complete sense. The Last Jedi tried too hard to be subversive, and thus built very little of it's own.

I still prefer it to tRoS, but that's mostly because the ending is satisfying, if depressing. The heroes have lost, the rebellion is defeated, and the First Order is implied to be in the process of annexing the remnants of the New Republic. Even Poe's final speech just goes to show that he's basically learnt nothing. The heroes failed to grow and overcome their flaws in time, whereas Kylo Ren made an actual step on his chosen road and reaps the rewards. The Dark is on the rise again Light only being a temporary respite.

[The Glyphstone]

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I kinda feel like TLJ promised to be subversive, but ultimately choked on actually following through. For all of Kylo Ren's talk about burying the past, he backstabs his master and seizes power exactly like a good little Sith apprentice should. Luke burns the books, but Rey still behaves as a Jedi in all but name. Subverting the 'only Skywalkers and Solos matter in this universe' trope was all he really tried to do, and that got snatched back in ROS. Heck, it even gave us a siege battle on a ice salt planet as the climactic scene - at least ROS didn't insist on having the final battle be on a jungle world.

Somewhere in an alternative universe, Kylo accepted his good impulses walked away from the Sith, Rey accepted her dark urges and abandoned the Jedi, and both of them went looking for a genuine third option that didn't lock the galaxy into the same tired struggle over and over again.

[SirKazum]

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Heck, it even gave us a siege battle on a ice salt planet as the climactic scene - at least ROS didn't insist on having the final battle be on a jungle world.

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The dude randomly tasting the ground and commenting that it's salt just to make it clear that it's not another ice planet like Hoth was a funny touch, in context.

[TaRix]

It's not a very good helmet, is it? Was it not intended to be used as armor?

[Fyraltari]

It's not a very good helmet, is it? Was it not intended to be used as armor?

Pretty sure it was intended to evoke Darth Vader. It being a cheap knock-off of poor quality is rather on point.

Then again, it's also true that the Force can make someone superhumanly fast, so why not superhumanly strong?

[VoxRationis]

Also, armor in Star Wars can often be of, shall we say, uneven quality, and even when it is of good quality, it is likely not designed with kinetic impacts in mind.

[runeghost]

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I had the opposite reaction. Snoke always felt like a knockoff Palpatine, so when Ren killed him I got really interested all of a sudden. It was a shocking twist that they really could have done something with if they had followed up on it properly. Both Kylo Ren and Snoke mirrored characters from the OT, with Ren being Darth Vader and Snoke being Palpatine. Kylo Ren wanted to be Darth Vader, but lacked the maturity and self control of his grandfather. He was a pale shadow of Vader...right up until he did something Vader never could by killing his Sith master. Snoke became a really cool character by dying when he did to further Kylo Ren's storyline.

Then they threw all that character development away by bringing Palpatine back and reverting Ren back to his TFA characterization.

I feel the same way.

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At the end of tLJ , we had this great setup where Ren has won. He's got everything he thought he wanted. Snoke is dead, and the First Order answers to him. The RebelsResistance are defeated and fleeing.

I was looking forward to a Star Wars where one of the stories was the Dragon who turned to the Dark Side getting his triumphant victory, and seeing how he dealt with that. I expected him to either realize it really meant nothing to him, or to go mad with power.

Instead we got a giant reset button, where he goes back to being a Dragon (terrible characterization) and his story was just a replay of Vader's. Sure, there were a few differet notes, but it was the same theme. It was such a waste.

[The Glyphstone]

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I actually ran across a blog post the other day - by the same guy who invented the Machete Order - and he brought up an interesting point.

https://www.rodhilton.com/2015/12/28...pdate-and-faq/

Scroll down to Is Machete Order Still Relevant, but the gist is that in the Disney Era, the original and prequel trilogies becomes less and less relevant. The Sequel trilogies imitated so much of the original trilogy's trappings not simply out of nostalgia, but with specific design to be the introduction to Star Wars for people who've never seen the originals or prequels. And by cutting all remaining ties to the story of the original by the end of IX, it removes the need to ever watch them. The same thing will happen to VII-IX when XV-XVIII come out, and so down the line until Star Wars finally stops being profitable. Which might be Ep 10, but the principle stands true regardless.

[137beth]

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there's no way Leia would be a traitor

But she was married to Han, who was the traitor in the original trilogy, so I couldn't put it passed her.

[Anonymouswizard]

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Pete sees Sally topless?

Here's hoping it doesn't lead to anything inappropriate.

[Fyraltari]

Wait a moment is this the scene where

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Pete sees Sally topless?

Here's hoping it doesn't lead to anything inappropriate.

No, that's way later.

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The first Force-skype establishes the mechanics of it and has Kylo be fixing his face. I believe she catches him topless only after Luke's told her his first version of the destruction of the school.

[Anonymouswizard]

No, that's way later.

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The first Force-skype establishes the mechanics of it and has Kylo be fixing his face. I believe she catches him topless only after Luke's told her his first version of the destruction of the school.

Oh yeah.

Don't you just hate all these new powers the ST introduced. I can't wait for Memnarch to learn what Force Vibrate is used for in E9.

[Fyraltari]

Oh yeah.

Don't you just hate all these new powers the ST introduced. I can't wait for Memnarch to learn what Force Vibrate is used for in E9.

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You mean, the powers that were already introduced in Legends? Those powers?

[Anonymouswizard]

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You mean, the powers that were already introduced in Legends? Those powers?

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Do you think if ilI thought it was an actual thing I'd have put it outside of spoiler tags?

Plus I was mostly just making an immature masturbation joke.

[Fyraltari]

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Do you think if ilI thought it was an actual thing I'd have put it outside of spoiler tags?

Plus I was mostly just making an immature masturbation joke.

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I think the simple notion that the movies feature force powers that haven't been shown on-screen before is in itself a spoiler, even if you don't specify which.

Also, yes I did get your masturbation joke, I didn't think I had to comment on it, is all.

[DavidSh]

Could "foliation" actually be about folios? Have we seen codices in the Darth & Droids universe before? (Can I keep avoiding using the word b**k?)

[Anonymouswizard]

Could "foliation" actually be about folios? Have we seen codices in the Darth & Droids universe before? (Can I keep avoiding using the word b**k?)

Doesn't The Phantasmal Malevolence establish the nonexistence of paper?

[b_jonas]

Doesn't The Phantasmal Malevolence establish the nonexistence of paper?

It's complicated.

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Paper is banned, which is why the player characters mostly don't have access to it in Phantasmal Malevolence. But #1763 specifically says that paper was banned after “Thousands of years ago ancient Jedi texts were recorded on paper”. In The Last Jedi movie, these books are such ancient Jedi texts, so paper was not yet banned when these were created. That might be the case here too, since the GM describes the books as “ancient relics”. #1763 also says that “corrupted by the paper-making process the midi-chlorians in the trees were”. It's not clear from this whether that corruption can be undone once the paper is made, so maybe it can't, in which case preserving existing paper doesn't do harm, only creating new paper does. So it kind of makes sense that Luke guards these artifacts on Ach-To. Meanwhile, #2216 in Forced-Away Kin shows that the First Order is using paper again for technical documentation.

[SirKazum]

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Meanwhile, #2216 in Forced-Away Kin shows that the First Order is using paper again for technical documentation.

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I checked the comic, and it only mentions printed documentation. It doesn't say the documentation was printed on paper. It could be some other material, such as durasheets.

[Kantaki]

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Kylo explicitly calls the Jedi texts out as "written on paper. The forbidden material.", so I doubt they're using the stuff for documentation.

Sure, Snoke is rather nonchalant about it "Reading a book never hurt anyone" after all, but if Kylo reacts like that the rank and file would probably take it worse.

[b_jonas]

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I checked the comic, and it only mentions printed documentation. It doesn't say the documentation was printed on paper. It could be some other material, such as durasheets.

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I don't buy it. If it were normal for people to print documentation on something that isn't quite paper but is effectively used as paper (vellum or papyrus or whatever) then R2-D2's original line from #159 saying “Do you see any paper in this universe? Someone has to project this stupid hologram for you!” wouldn't make sense.

[PoeticallyPsyco]

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Memnarch's worried about the break in tension from having half the movie be from Rey's perspective, rather than something more relevant to the action. Oh boy, are they gonna love the casino planet, then!

I mean, once they realize what's happening in the actual movie. I'm sure D&D will have something good going on plot-wise.

[Anonymouswizard]

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Memnarch's worried about the break in tension from having half the movie be from Rey's perspective, rather than something more relevant to the action. Oh boy, are they gonna love the casino planet, then!

I mean, once they realize what's happening in the actual movie. I'm sure D&D will have something good going on plot-wise.

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You know, if Finn and Rose can get to the Casino planet unnoticed, and they're transferring fuel to smaller ships to escape to the salt planet, why don't they just take the small ships to a bunch of planets over the course of a few hours and leave the First Order chasing the empty cruisers.

Hell, why don't they try jumping the fleet to two separate locations? Or arrange a meeting point and have each ship jump somewhere different. Or take the eagles to Mordor?

In retrospect this film.makes little sense.