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2021-09-16, 01:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: *RANT* Leather Armor Bothers me
That's fair, but also I think probably very common. Your initial post on the subject, to me at least, implied you would use that line from the players handbook to make it difficult for players trying to sell fullplate they'd taken off the knights they defeated. I doubt many DMs will let parties sell giant's platemail for more than scrap/a curiosity for someone with enough space to display it, unless the setting has a lot of giants living in cities.
If giants and cities are on trading terms, which won't always be the case. World and DM dependant.Last edited by Boci; 2021-09-16 at 02:00 PM.
"It doesn't matter how much you struggle or strive,
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And your last mission is to spread my command,"
Slightly adapted quote from X-Fusion, Please Kill Yourself
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2021-09-16, 02:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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2021-09-16, 02:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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Wait until they find out about the literal hoard dragons are literally sitting on, though I'm not sure what she could offer them to break open that market. Scale polish? Interior design services?
"See you have a lot of treasure, but you're sitting on it. When you're sitting on coins, its hard to appreciate the difference between 10,000 and 50,000. Sp what I suggest is we start taking advantage of more rock space in the walls and even ceiling. For a hoard of your size it will cost 7,000 gold pices, but afterwards I guarantee your hoard will appear 5 times bigger at least, possible even 10...""It doesn't matter how much you struggle or strive,
You'll never get out of life alive,
So please kill yourself and save this land,
And your last mission is to spread my command,"
Slightly adapted quote from X-Fusion, Please Kill Yourself
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2021-09-16, 02:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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2021-09-16, 02:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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I wouldn't count on a draconic hoard being a market because they collect it for its own sake rather than for its monetary value. They wouldn't want to part with it even in trade, especially the evil dragons.
“Evil is evil. Lesser, greater, middling, it's all the same. Proportions are negotiated, boundaries blurred. I'm not a pious hermit, I haven't done only good in my life. But if I'm to choose between one evil and another, then I prefer not to choose at all.”
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2021-09-16, 02:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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Might take a glance at strength. Individuals of the same race and similar physique should be able to slip into each others' armor without need of a fitting. Mind you, I consider "plate" to be munition-grade plate, similar to the stuff the Swiss landsknecht and others of that period were wearing, not the gothic stuff. Munition grade is good stuff, it served the Landsknecht quite nicely, but it isn't the stuff worn by the princes and dukes of Europe. The steel isn't as well-worked, among other things.
And too, there's a lot of scrap value in iron or steel armor big enough to fit a giant. I'd give them 100 gold for the set.
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“Evil is evil. Lesser, greater, middling, it's all the same. Proportions are negotiated, boundaries blurred. I'm not a pious hermit, I haven't done only good in my life. But if I'm to choose between one evil and another, then I prefer not to choose at all.”
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2021-09-17, 12:12 AM (ISO 8601)
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It can. Objects are generally immune only to poison and psychic damage. Necrotic works perfectly fine against iron doors. Assuming you can find a source of necrotic damage that can target objects, but that's whole 'nother issue. Though there are antimatter weapons from the DMG...
It's Eberron, not ebberon.
It's not high magic, it's wide magic.
And it's definitely not steampunk. The only time steam gets involved is when the fire and water elementals break loose.
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2021-09-17, 02:01 AM (ISO 8601)
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Last edited by Boci; 2021-09-17 at 02:02 AM.
"It doesn't matter how much you struggle or strive,
You'll never get out of life alive,
So please kill yourself and save this land,
And your last mission is to spread my command,"
Slightly adapted quote from X-Fusion, Please Kill Yourself
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2021-09-17, 05:42 AM (ISO 8601)
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No, in other words, necrotic damage is going to damage metal just fine. But most common sources of necrotic damage available to the PCs are spells, and spells are notoriously bad at damaging objects... you can Fireball a sheet of paper, and it'll be set on fire, but takes no damage, and it's similar with other damage types.
It's Eberron, not ebberon.
It's not high magic, it's wide magic.
And it's definitely not steampunk. The only time steam gets involved is when the fire and water elementals break loose.
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2021-09-17, 06:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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Last edited by Boci; 2021-09-17 at 06:05 PM.
"It doesn't matter how much you struggle or strive,
You'll never get out of life alive,
So please kill yourself and save this land,
And your last mission is to spread my command,"
Slightly adapted quote from X-Fusion, Please Kill Yourself
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2021-09-17, 06:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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It's Eberron, not ebberon.
It's not high magic, it's wide magic.
And it's definitely not steampunk. The only time steam gets involved is when the fire and water elementals break loose.
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2021-09-17, 08:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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Even if you decided necrotic damage couldn't harm metal, most armor has leather straps and cloth ties and the like that could be ruined by withering/whatever
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2021-09-17, 10:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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2021-09-18, 02:44 AM (ISO 8601)
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Right, but the conversations was about unintentionally damaging an enemy's gear whilst trying to defeat them, so Summon Undead and other things that merely allow you to target object would be another miss on this topic.
That's not the issue, its ruling that objects are harmed by spells. So now, the enemy in fullsplate that survives the spell damage should probably have their AC drop to 16, because its a little suspicious that the damage isn't enough to drop their AC, just the resale price. Most mounted enemies are also nerfed by AoE damage now too, since even if mount and rider both survive, the saddles certainly doesn't.Last edited by Boci; 2021-09-18 at 02:56 AM.
"It doesn't matter how much you struggle or strive,
You'll never get out of life alive,
So please kill yourself and save this land,
And your last mission is to spread my command,"
Slightly adapted quote from X-Fusion, Please Kill Yourself
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2021-09-18, 08:24 AM (ISO 8601)
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Alternatively, youre overthinking it and spells dont affect equipment at all unless A: they specifically say they do or B: the DM wants to throttle the amount of loot they give out from higher level encounters so that you arent ending up with a dozen suits of plate armor after every fight.
“Evil is evil. Lesser, greater, middling, it's all the same. Proportions are negotiated, boundaries blurred. I'm not a pious hermit, I haven't done only good in my life. But if I'm to choose between one evil and another, then I prefer not to choose at all.”
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2021-09-18, 01:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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Yeah, the second one is going to be a sticking point for some groups and even DMs, who would much rather not have inorganic variance in just how spells interacted with objects and instead just have the DM not use enemies with platemail if they don't want the groups to get platemail. Or just let them have it, there's no magic mart in most 5e games, so even if the players do make a lot money on the secondary platemail market it typically won't matter and will actually just enhance the game by giving them funds to do interesting side gigs during downtime.
"It doesn't matter how much you struggle or strive,
You'll never get out of life alive,
So please kill yourself and save this land,
And your last mission is to spread my command,"
Slightly adapted quote from X-Fusion, Please Kill Yourself
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2021-09-18, 02:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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“Evil is evil. Lesser, greater, middling, it's all the same. Proportions are negotiated, boundaries blurred. I'm not a pious hermit, I haven't done only good in my life. But if I'm to choose between one evil and another, then I prefer not to choose at all.”
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2021-09-18, 03:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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Then replace their plate with scale or something, and give them a +x armor bonus via DM fiat to get them back to where they were.
Or, why do those monsters all have plate at a level where the party can expect to loot them? Given the absolutely ridiculous cost of plate compared to scale, that feels like a problem the poor pricing of equipment has inflicted on DMs.
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2021-09-18, 04:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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Last edited by Boci; 2021-09-18 at 04:17 PM.
"It doesn't matter how much you struggle or strive,
You'll never get out of life alive,
So please kill yourself and save this land,
And your last mission is to spread my command,"
Slightly adapted quote from X-Fusion, Please Kill Yourself
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2021-09-18, 04:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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You could argue that an PC is going to want a plate of such quality that it retains its full protective capabilities through intense series of engagements without the PC having to spend days or weeks maintaining and preparing it between fights.
An NPC might arguably be using other high-maintenance armour that requires the character to replace, fix or adjust for days after a fight. Such an armour might work at full AC for one fight, but offer less protection in the fight immediate
Ly following.
Point is: If you want your NPCs to wear plate, and you also want to keep plate out of the hands of the victorious PCs, you can do that.
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2021-09-18, 04:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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Sure, the DM can, but that doesn't mean the DM could. Like, why is it so important for this hypothetical DM that the NPCs the players fight be wearing full-plate? If the DM doesn't want to fill the loot sacks with full plate pieces, that seems like a good reason to use the armour more sparingly and also employ other armour types in the mix. So why has that solution apparently been rejected?
"It doesn't matter how much you struggle or strive,
You'll never get out of life alive,
So please kill yourself and save this land,
And your last mission is to spread my command,"
Slightly adapted quote from X-Fusion, Please Kill Yourself
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2021-09-18, 09:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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“Evil is evil. Lesser, greater, middling, it's all the same. Proportions are negotiated, boundaries blurred. I'm not a pious hermit, I haven't done only good in my life. But if I'm to choose between one evil and another, then I prefer not to choose at all.”
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2021-09-19, 07:31 AM (ISO 8601)
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But why? What about having multiple encounters with full plate increases your enjoyment as a DM vs. having one encounter with full plate and then use splint mail or breastplates with the rest?
In one game I run the enemy some soldier castes, who wore breastplates, and that was good. Because this allowed them to hit hard in ways I would have needed to water down to compensate for them having 18 AC, if I had given them all fullplate, which I feel wouldn't be as memorable for the players if the enemy didn't hit that hard but their attacks missed more. So I guess if you want to NPCs to be hard to hit but otherwise not be too threatening I guess full plate would be an attractive option for that."It doesn't matter how much you struggle or strive,
You'll never get out of life alive,
So please kill yourself and save this land,
And your last mission is to spread my command,"
Slightly adapted quote from X-Fusion, Please Kill Yourself
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2021-09-19, 08:22 AM (ISO 8601)
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“Evil is evil. Lesser, greater, middling, it's all the same. Proportions are negotiated, boundaries blurred. I'm not a pious hermit, I haven't done only good in my life. But if I'm to choose between one evil and another, then I prefer not to choose at all.”
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2021-09-19, 08:41 AM (ISO 8601)
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It's Eberron, not ebberon.
It's not high magic, it's wide magic.
And it's definitely not steampunk. The only time steam gets involved is when the fire and water elementals break loose.