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    Default Re: Dune clip - Chalamet and Brolin shield fighting

    Quote Originally Posted by Fyraltari View Post
    Wow, are you telling me that 300 might be slightly historically inaccurate? I would have never guessed.
    That made me laugh out loud, thanks.

    Chani's added speech about it being an honor for Paul dying with her great-aunt's crysknife in his hands was a good touch, showing that she too is part of the blood-soaked Fremen culture ("Kill to lead" is dumb, but it's in the book; thankfully, "Ways change."). I think it helps set up one of the things mentioned in passing in the book, where she starts killing challengers to Muad'Dib in duels herself, in hopes that there will be fewer if they learn that they will get killed by her without even seeing him.

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    You could argue that Leto looks more Persian than he does Greek-ish
    To the extent that that argument is even worth making, given the ethnicity of Oscar Isaac (Cuban/Guatemalan) it's kind of amusing. Though it does go some way to illustrating how pointless such arguments are.
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    Default Re: Dune clip - Chalamet and Brolin shield fighting

    Quote Originally Posted by Aedilred View Post
    To the extent that that argument is even worth making, given the ethnicity of Oscar Isaac (Cuban/Guatemalan) it's kind of amusing. Though it does go some way to illustrating how pointless such arguments are.
    Because race is a racial construct that has little bearing on reality. Light skinned mixed raced babies can be determined black or white depending the neighbourhood they go to, and dark skinned Italians and Spanish will be "whites"

    It has nothing to do with actually respecting reality, and its just about creating fake categories to encourage tribalism

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cikomyr2 View Post
    Because race is a racial construct that has little bearing on reality. Light skinned mixed raced babies can be determined black or white depending the neighbourhood they go to, and dark skinned Italians and Spanish will be "whites"

    It has nothing to do with actually respecting reality, and its just about creating fake categories to encourage tribalism
    Race as a cultural trait has limited and fraught relationship with actual phylogenetic patterns among human populations, though the latter are quite real and are important to modeling things like disease prevalence.

    This rather relevant because in the context of Dune phylogenetics is extremely important and also an aspect of humanity that has been manipulated for thousands of years to produce and refine superhuman abilities (the Voice, other Bene Gesserit powers), and ultimately create a living god. This is, however, extremely difficult to convey on screen because external appearance is not a good guide to heredity, since most visible phenotypic traits are both extensively multi-gene and tied heavily to environmental factors, height is a nice example, depending both on many genes and on nutrition and hormone levels throughout childhood.

    It actually makes sense, again in the context of Dune, for Fremen characters to be portrayed by actors who are mixed race or ethnically indeterminate, because the Fremen population would be so. The Fremen population possesses a constant, low-level, genetic exchange with the rest of the Empire, and since the Empire's population is much, much larger than that of the Fremen (the Fremen population is something like 10 million, minuscule at planetary scale and only doubly the urban population of Arrakis) this prevents the necessary genetic isolation that would generate a specific Fremen ethnicity.
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