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Thread: Love Letter Mafia
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2021-09-20, 12:08 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Love Letter Mafia
Here ye, here ye. Thine honorable Baron has provided me, Gac3, with writs on behalf of the now besmerched Lord Popo. I shall now read the messages from two nights yonder!
Spoiler: Message One
"All right maggots, listen up.
Popo's about to teach you the stratigraphic order. It goes:
- Town (above the surface)
- The dirt (the surface)
- The worms inside of the dirt (just below the surface)
- Popo's stool (deeper still)
- Emmy (buried five foot deep)
- Then Popo (six feet deep)
"
My heavens. Quite a message to be sure.
Spoiler: Message TwoI am going to roleblock Snowblaze.
If a kill on me still happens, please go ahead and execute Sugapoof tomorrow.
Alas. It would seem that they hath gone against thine own wishes, fore it was Xihirli who was cast out on the previous Eve.
Spoiler: Message Three
My POE is goof, then Blaze, then Book Wombat.
Literally hit outside of those names for zero reasons, unless someone in that group is the Princess and is mech cleared by game host.
My heavens. These are quite aggressive accusations. And then to have one of them taken falsely from our employee before such threats could curse their ears.
Spoiler: Message Four
Snow will be blocked by my power unless I am blocked again somehow.
So goof has to the the one who does the kill if he is her partner, or Wombat has to.
Ask everyone with powers if they have targeted either of those players to out whatever info they have on them.
That is more proper. Yet it would seem unlikely that Master Book would undo himself so.
Spoiler: Message Five"I SAID YOUR LOVE
KEEPS LIFTING POPO'S SPIRIT
HIGHER AND HIGHER!!!!
I said this town (your love keeps lifting me)
Keep on (love keeps lifting me)
Lifting Popo (lifting me)
Higher and higher (higher)
I'm so glad, Popo finally found Emma
Yes that one, necromantic girl
And I whip, my Supa arms around you, Goofy
I can stand up, and face the world
Let me tell ya, Snowblaze (Princess keeps lifting me)
Keep on lifting (Town keeps lifting me)
Higher (lifting me)
Higher and higher (higher)
I said this TOWN (town keeps lifting me)
Keep on (love keeps lifting me)
Lifting Popo (lifting me)
Higher and higher (higher)
Now Book it to me
Hold me, you're my Wombat
Keep my town going
Higher and higher
I said keep on lifting
Popo up hiiiiiiigher...."
***Tapping foot to the song***
Oh right. Moving along. The following are a series of notes provided to Lord Gac, Third of his line, with less direct instructions. These were once again, intended to be shared yesterday, however Master Popo overestimated his odds of arrest.
Spoiler: Miscellaneous notes
SpoilerGac3, read my post 287
That was a coded message I delivered while alive.
"Gac will push back
Pizza is a tasty snack
You don't snack Gac
Or Gac will snack back
That's the secret Gac snack-attack pushback!
Popo was here, people. Gac established comms with Popo, the purposes of which makes no sense to wolves unless they think they can manipulate me.
Which, gac made absolutely zero attempts to do the entire time we spoke. I did all the talking, as you might imagine."
SpoilerGac knows my suspects and who I roleblocked last night, if I died.
That's mainly what we discussed. Gac is clean, don't hit here unless like all my suspects are town. Literally all of them.
SpoilerSpoiler
Spoiler: End of Day Announcement"Popo is asking everyone to MASS CLAIM when a second Queen disloyal maggot dies.
Let's finish the game off by narrowing down the remaining maggot.
If I was going to do it all myself, why would I need you?"
I have but one more missive from the quill of Popo, which came in just this morn and goes as such.
Spoiler: Final LeagacyPopo was here.
Avecna town lock forever never touch
Gac3 town lock forever never touch
Libro town lock forever never touch
Supagoof can only be considered in final 3 versus the ABOVE names only.
Snowblaze for the deepest possible wolf, when one of the below is wrong, basically Bat would be wrong, and then Snow is a wolf.
But there's a big gap here between Snow and....
These two.
BatCatHat must always be eliminated before final 3/4
Rogaine with minoxidil must always be eliminated before final 3/4
As in, Snow only gets considered when it's never Bat and Rogan.
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2021-09-20, 01:02 AM (ISO 8601)
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I'm going mad, right? This isn't what I actually think it is, is it?
We have Supagoof referring to something that hadn't been posted in the thread (iirc; will check) and then we have that exact thing posted by Mr Popo in a thread only him and gac3 could access.
Is this actually real?I'm writing stuff, come and read it!
Werewolf games won: 24
Werewolf games lost: 14
Games as town: 23.5
Games as neutral: 5.5
Games as wolf: 9
Games narrated: 1
Deaths: 17
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2021-09-20, 01:08 AM (ISO 8601)
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It's possible it's been mentioned in-thread at some point as a possibility? I'm sure Popo speculated about what use the king could have.
On the other hand, if it turns out you're right...well, maybe you'd like to give my theory on one trusted scum and one guard scum some further consideration?
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FWIW I haven't actually ISO'd Popo's D2. I kinda don't wanna cuz aaaaaaaaaaa. Plenty of other people I should dig into as well. >.<
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2021-09-20, 01:09 AM (ISO 8601)
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This is the closest I can find to a statement of the plan Supagoof references in thread. Considering it was buried pretty deep in a wall...
Someone who isn't me, please sanity-check the above.
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I only read through night two and day three up until Supagoof posted. But I imagine it wouldn't be earlier than that.I'm writing stuff, come and read it!
Werewolf games won: 24
Werewolf games lost: 14
Games as town: 23.5
Games as neutral: 5.5
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2021-09-20, 01:21 AM (ISO 8601)
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I'll try to take a look, but I probably won't have the time until later today.
If your suspicions turns out to be correct, you might've saved me from getting lynched for the second time in a row, which would be a nice change of pace from our pattern of screwing each other over (despite my best attempts earlier this game).
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2021-09-20, 06:32 AM (ISO 8601)
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Spoiler: UH OH SPAGHETTIOS...no. Two mistakes here.
First off, during N2, the web of claims looked like this:
Spoiler: Claims From Town POVLibro claims Countess.
JeenLeen flips Guard.
bladescape flips Priest.
Mr Popo claims King.
Mr Popo claims Priest is not Unused.
Mr Popo claims Baron is not Unused.
Batcathat claims Guard.
Supagoof claims Guard.
Emmy claims Prince is Unused.
Emmy flips Guard.
Here's what the chart of open possibilities looks like, assuming that you implicitly trust all claims, including the "Prince is unused" claim that came from a scumplayer, which probably shouldn't be trusted. Here are all the possible places a town guard could guess.
Princess Prince Handmaid Handmaid Baron Baron Priest Guard Guard AvatarVecna Book Wombat EmmyNecromancer gac3 Rogan rogue_alchemist Snowblaze Xihirli Unused --- --- ----
63 possibilities remain. 8 of them are correct. Baron and Guard are the only ones that have multiple possible correct guesses, and Baron can't be Unused so it's only got 7 possible slots; Baron is the best one to guess. I'm not sure why you'd want to know where the Baron is, but it's information, which is...something? But even if you're assuming that all claims are absolute truth (and one of them is still just an unverifiable claim from a confirmed-wolf), and even if you limit yourself to guessing Baron or Guard, you've got at best a ~28.5% chance of guessing correctly. It's not exactly great odds, but not awful. It's relatively reasonable that a townie might guess this.
...but just for fun, let's look at a different perspective:
Spoiler: Claims From Scum POVLet's assume starting scum is EmmyNecromancer / Snwoblaze / Supagoof / Xihirli. Snowblaze claimed that a network was made between her and Xi (likely for distancing purposes, ie "come on why would wolves network with each other"), Xi claimed to be a guard who couldn't make a network, Rogan and I each separately called how weird/factually incorrect that was, and Snowblaze panicked and hrd-bussed Xihirli.
From scum perspective, here is the situation at the start of N2:
EmmyNecromancer is Guard.
Snowblaze is Prince.
Supagoof is Guard.
Xihirli is Baron.
Unused is Prince.
Unused is Handmaid.
Scumteam knows Prince is not inactive.
Libro claims Countess.
JeenLeen flips Guard.
bladescape flips Priest.
Mr Popo claims King.
Mr Popo claims Baron is not inactive.
Batcathat claims Guard.
Additionally: this would mean scumteam started with both Princes, one handmaid, and one guard. Unlikely, but it means that one more space in the following chart will be either confirmed as truth or (more likely) denied because they mis-guessed. Let's assume they guessed AV = Baron (since, if I were assigning roles based on reputation, AV = Baron is funny but also dangerous):
Princess Handmaid Baron Priest Guard AvatarVecna ---- Book Wombat gac3 Rogan rogue_alchemist ----
Now, scumteam knows they'll BW's role by the end of the night, and probably rogue_alchemist's role as well. There's only two possible people besides BW who could be Baron, so Supagoof guesses gac to make sure scum knows exactly who is having conversations that scumteam can't see. Here's how that chart looks after N2 ends:
Priest Guard AvatarVecna Rogan
The last two players who haven't claimed or been confirmed via guard check, what a coincidence. (And you get basically similar results if you assume basically anybody other than gac is the fourth scumbuddy; you might end up with three slots instead of two, but still).
When I put together my big chart of D3 claims, and I concluded "scum almost certainly knows who everybody is by now", this right here is exactly what I was talking about. If scum started with four players, they started out knowing 6 of the roles in-play. They prince'd two people in scumchat to gain access to baron, and could very well have been hunting for the other baron, because apparently this forum considers private QTs to be the death of scumteams for some reason.
But anyway, you can kinda see that the odds of Supagoof guessing correctly are much higher if he's on scumteam, just because of the extra information known. The field was much wider N2 from town's perspective even if you trust absolutely every single claim (which you shouldn't, especially the claim from confirmed scum).
...but that's honestly the lesser point against Supagoof in this post:
...excuse me? EXCUSE ME???
You were trying to help the priest?
Number 1, how would you being able to confirm gac3 as Baron help the priest???
Number 2, you were trying to help the priest, who everybody thought was scum since they weren't pointing out alternatives to Popo?!
You're claiming that, on N2, when nobody in town had any reason to think priest was town, and scum absolutely knew for a fact that priest was town, you were scrying gac to help the priest?
No. That's what you're claiming your motivation was after I came out and claimed priest. Before I claimed priest, you had no reason to suspect that priest was town-aligned - or if you did, maybe you could've said something to Popo so I wouldn't have felt the need to claim quite as much. It was still ultimately a good idea for me to claim, but the fact remains that this post very much comes across like you're trying to pretend your scry was to help an obvious townie that everybody else thought was scum. No, no it was not. You were not trying to help Priest when you picked your target, because no townie would've been trying to help Priest N2. If any town!Guard had guessed "AV is Priest" on N2, D3 would've started with "AV is the scum priest!"
Supagoof
(also if/when Supagoof flips scum, gac3 isn't necessarily cleared. It's entirely possible the teamup is Goof/gac, and Goof wasn't actually "guessing" that gac was Baron. This teamup has both barons on scumteam, which is powerful QT private conversation power, and it gives an explanation for why Xihirli would link up with Snowblaze.)
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It's dumb that I'm moving off BCH even though they dodged the lynch yesterday, but I feel rather strongly about somebody claiming they were helping somebody they had every reason to think was scum when they made that decision. It stinks of post-claim justification.
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I should finish the Supagoof ISO for the sake of completion, but screw it, it'd take a miracle to change my vote now and he doesn't have enough posts to pull off a miracle.
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2021-09-20, 08:24 AM (ISO 8601)
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Okay, sure. Let's kill Supagoof.
And gac3 certainly isn't clear if this flips scum considering what I pointed out above.
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Werewolf games won: 24
Werewolf games lost: 14
Games as town: 23.5
Games as neutral: 5.5
Games as wolf: 9
Games narrated: 1
Deaths: 17
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2021-09-20, 08:35 AM (ISO 8601)
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2021-09-20, 08:36 AM (ISO 8601)
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2021-09-20, 10:34 AM (ISO 8601)
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I just realised that there’s actually a decent chance I die tonight so I need to leave some kind of legacy.
POE is Rogan/Batcathat/maybe gac3 after killing Supagoof today. Don’t forget if Supagoof flips town tomorrow could be LyLo.
Beyond that I have no clue, I haven’t done anywhere near as much work as I’d like today. I’ll go reread day three in more detail to see if that gives any insights.I'm writing stuff, come and read it!
Werewolf games won: 24
Werewolf games lost: 14
Games as town: 23.5
Games as neutral: 5.5
Games as wolf: 9
Games narrated: 1
Deaths: 17
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2021-09-20, 10:43 AM (ISO 8601)
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I'm down. Bat/Supagoof is the same to me. Rogan and Snow have I have a town lean for now. Even though until yesterday snow was one of biggest wolf reads. I have no intention of voting AV. Is that everyone? Is anyone else alive? I mean there's Gac3 and I'd rather not vote him but we can afford some mislynches as of last time I did some math.
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2021-09-20, 10:46 AM (ISO 8601)
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Okay, going from the proposition of mass-claim with focus on my POE (plus Supagoof even though he’s probably now dying with three of the four people who’ve actually shown up voting him... wait, now I’m scared town is going to lose because people just won’t post.)
We have Rogan’s “I called Xihirli out!” post. Which... on rereading isn’t as strong a callout as I thought. Because claiming Guard wasn’t likely to get Xihirli screwed over when the other Guard claimants were the top two consensus suspects at that point.
...gah. This is... hard to work out. Because I understand Rogan’s points on it earlier and it makes sense coming from town, but I also don’t see why it couldn’t be a wolf.
We then have my realisation; Batcathat’s reply to it instantly made me think “I’m just going to sit on the fence and see how screwed my partner is before I decide whether to bus.”
IRL calls, will carry on later if I have time.I'm writing stuff, come and read it!
Werewolf games won: 24
Werewolf games lost: 14
Games as town: 23.5
Games as neutral: 5.5
Games as wolf: 9
Games narrated: 1
Deaths: 17
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2021-09-20, 10:50 AM (ISO 8601)
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You mean your realization about Goof? I had already voted him before then, so if there was a bus I was already on it.
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Or did you mean about Xi? If so, I can sort of see your point, but keep in mind that at the time you were my strongest wolf read and I was leaning town on Xi (even if I did it less after my ISO on her).
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2021-09-20, 10:56 AM (ISO 8601)
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I'm writing stuff, come and read it!
Werewolf games won: 24
Werewolf games lost: 14
Games as town: 23.5
Games as neutral: 5.5
Games as wolf: 9
Games narrated: 1
Deaths: 17
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2021-09-20, 10:59 AM (ISO 8601)
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OMGYAS and you'd still be wrong.
First - Snowblaze - please cross off your earlier point if you are truly pointing at me. I know I would like not to die, but I'd rather have a clean swipe of the executioner's blade if I do go. None of this nearly headless Nick. (Also, if I was Mafia, why would I tell you this.)
BatCatHat to stay true with Popo's intentions.
Now to start peeling back the layers on this stinky onion of logic.
I got kinged last night. So be it, makes sense to move it around. Wanted to state that I was attempting to look at Rogan for Handmaiden. Because the logic of "2 handmaidens, one has to be mafia..." makes a lot of sense. Find them, find the handmaiden.
Popo was right in that he and I don't think alike, but that doesn't mean we didn't have the same objective. My manner of play is that the truth will set you free, which means shake out the tree and see what truths pop up. A truth that I felt was being ignored with it was the "Snowblaze/Supagoof" logic, was that the king ability could stop the nightkill. Which it can't. I thought Snowblaze being made king, with a nightkill coming through, proved nothing about Snow's innocence. And I was still suspect about someone in Popo's trusted network being a mole/mafia. I was going to investigate more. I dropped that since the BCH logic came out, followed by the Xi logic. If it just happened that I guessed the same idea that Popo had - I'll attribute it to great minds think alike and be super happy with that if I get my head cut off.
Another truth that I felt was being ignored was the "Mafia is an alignment". Can't scry for them, it's why I asked Cao in QT. Ask yourself, why would I do this?
Third thing - I wanted to give a read to the priest. 100%. Was feeling at that point in the game, especially with me missing night 1 as an action period, that I needed to offer actions up to give a truth to me, even if it meant Mafia saw it too. Best case scenario is that Mafia Baron approaches me and I have someone to out that night. Good scenario is to show action (not accusations, action) of what I'm doing in the game. I did. Now I have something I can stand on, instead of the giant abyss of the no N1 action. Maybe, my analysis will get somewhere. Recall that I was also assuming that Popo's network was larger and in more conversation with each other.
So today, quiet...yes - because I did state I wouldn't be back until today (which matches my "away" on weekends playstyle.). Also no mo Popo.
But I see some things coming out of the woodwork. BCH on the "If I die, kill him" death march has managed to convince you of flaws in other people. I would expect anyone grasping for life to do so - to be fair, I am also doing so.
Snowblaze being lead astray by a dying wolf (BCH) or by an honest town is a pairing. If I don't survive today's lynch, then I feel that should be looked at again. Also with the casting shade on Gac who has, I feel, been going as town this whole time, so now she wants to pair him with me. Don't lose sight of that either.
Please remember the inverse of this.
I agree, it is dumb. For both the snake oil being chanted by BCH as well as the self preservation interest.
Please do. I believe you had one earlier that you can probably build off of.
All that being said - I enjoy playing as suspected for multiple reasons.
- It keeps me alive from Mafia night kills (cause why kill the player who may be lynched or we can cast shade upon to save ourselves.)
- It makes the game more fun.
- (And I probably shouldn't say this) - If in games where I end up Mafia/Wolf/Scum - it gives credibility to my play when I am. Not the case this time, but saying it outloud doesn't mean it's not true either. (Why do I do this to myself).
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2021-09-20, 11:03 AM (ISO 8601)
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2021-09-20, 11:10 AM (ISO 8601)
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Meh... fair point, I guess. Continuing.
- Rogan is the next to vote for Xihirli, citing the same mechanical reasons.
- but he then follows up with “actually, lying about role doesn’t equal scum” and. Actually this looks bad. “I have already pointed out these things”. Wanting towncred for a flipped wolf is one thing. Wanting credit for someone who still hasn’t flipped is quite another. And looks like TMI.
- “I checked to see if Xihirli was the Princess” - Batcathat. It’s already been discussed why this isn’t a particularly pro-town action so I won’t dig into it now.
- I do like the snap-back from BCH on “but the mechanics are complicated!”though I can also see worlds where Xihirli just said “I’m screwed, bus me” in wolfchat.
- Rogan elaborating on the Xihirli case, missing the fact she’s already claimed to be the Baron. This could actually be slightly towny as presumably there would have been discussion of the claim in wolf - oh. Oh, wolves can’t talk during day, can they? Right, scratch that.
Anyway, leaving it there, probably for good now. Just seen your wall, Supagoof, will digest it properly when I have more time.I'm writing stuff, come and read it!
Werewolf games won: 24
Werewolf games lost: 14
Games as town: 23.5
Games as neutral: 5.5
Games as wolf: 9
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You missed a couple things:
1) Xihirli claims to have started as Handmaid, which would fulfill our "one handmaid starting in scum" quota.
2) The reason Xihirli didn't flip maid is because she got Prince'd N1. Depending on exactly what happened last night, Handmaid is either stuck in the unused pile forever, or one of us got flipped to handmaid and doesn't wanna say so. (This is based on the plan Rogan's mentioned a couple times in-thread.)
Popo brought up that logic in reaction to Xihirli specifically because he thought it always made sense, and Xihirli claiming "I started as Handmaid" was a red flag for Popo.
Third thing - I wanted to give a read to the priest. 100%. Was feeling at that point in the game, especially with me missing night 1 as an action period, that I needed to offer actions up to give a truth to me, even if it meant Mafia saw it too. Best case scenario is that Mafia Baron approaches me and I have someone to out that night. Good scenario is to show action (not accusations, action) of what I'm doing in the game. I did. Now I have something I can stand on, instead of the giant abyss of the no N1 action. Maybe, my analysis will get somewhere. Recall that I was also assuming that Popo's network was larger and in more conversation with each other.
Early D2: Popo lets everybody know the remaining priest is untrustworthy
N2: Supagoof rolescries gac to help the priest
D3: AV claims town!priest
Later in D3: Supagoof publicly claims his intentions were to help the priest
Nothing in your response to my case on you actually responds in a way that would even theoretically warrant moving a vote, so I'll ask the relevant questions directly:
What reason did you personally have during N2 to think the remaining priest was town, such that you wanted to help the priest out specifically?
So today, quiet...yes - because I did state I wouldn't be back until today (which matches my "away" on weekends playstyle.). Also no mo Popo.
But I see some things coming out of the woodwork. BCH on the "If I die, kill him" death march has managed to convince you of flaws in other people. I would expect anyone grasping for life to do so - to be fair, I am also doing so.
Please remember the inverse of this.
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2021-09-20, 11:31 AM (ISO 8601)
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Also... I've seen a lot of comments about "Supagoof flipping red doesn't clear Gac3" which kind of confused me. Is there a reason it would? Are we unpaired by something for some reason? If I were not me, I would probably be more suspicious of me if Supagoof flips red (assuming that doesn't end the game, confirming a fourth wolf).
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2021-09-20, 11:36 AM (ISO 8601)
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TL;DR
The post where I make my case against Supagoof hinges on the fact that he role-scried you specifically as Baron, and did so successfully. Some people might see that and say "why would he waste a role-scry on a teammate, obviously Supagoof and gac3 are unpaired". I'm saying "they're not unpaired" because:
1) if they're teammates, Supagoof doesn't need to waste a scry to learn that info, he can just ask gac his role in scumchat and they'd be fine, with Supagoof still able to target the scry elsewhere.
2) Even if Supagoof expected to waste a scry, it barely matters: in a 4-wolf game, N2 ends with book wombat and rogue_alchemist biting the dust. Whether there are three roles left to find or only two, scum is still in a very good spot, so even if the scry was wasn't on purpose, it wouldn't make that much difference in how the game played out.
It's similar to the reason I'm not quite clearing Snowblaze on the Xi stuff anymore: I can see plausible worlds where scum networked with each other as a "why would wolves ever waste a network power like that", but then Xi publicly claimed guard instead of baron while Snowblaze claimed the network, and those claims bumped heads and got called out, forcing Snow to bus. Maybe that's what happened. I don't think that's what happened, but it's definitely plausible, so I don't really feel comfortable clearing Snow on that.
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2021-09-20, 11:42 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Love Letter Mafia
Between whatever this is and the fact that "I scried Gac3 as baron" could easily be "my buddy Gac3 is the Baron and I know this to be true", really seems to show that we might have been in communication. However all baron chats are accounted for and that would only leave wolf chat. Since we know Popo wasn't a wolf and couldn't have shared this info, it reads to me like me and Goof are wolf buddies. The only reason I'm not slinging accusations to the effect is because I'm me and I know my alignment so... Moral of the story is neither flip would clear me, but especially not red.
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2021-09-20, 11:45 AM (ISO 8601)
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Except I'm not going to flip red.
And the scum will have convinced you all to kill another town even when the clear path is there on who should die today. BCH
You can kill me tomorrow, but I'd rather win today. I want the town to win, but I'd rather be in the room where it happens.
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2021-09-20, 12:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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2021-09-20, 12:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Love Letter Mafia
Spoiler: Supagoof D3 ISOI like how he just expects a wagon on him at this point.
AV gets the gold. I claimed second to lowest on action resolution. I do consider Guard (1) to be above Mafia (0), did not take priest into consideration, but they would be third to lowest.
You're still not cleared in my book Snowblaze.
Back then...
WW games were running week after week, often with the option of being in a possible 4 games at a time. This lead me to be more active as I was, in a bunch of games, without family care as a part of the time.
Bandwagons started with little logic, so I learned to be defensive first, solve next. Still a habit of mine
"But being selfish is wolfy" - see point above. I have not adjusted to the "Solve first to be town" yet.
And now, a few other thoughts.
For my point onSnowblazeabove, the Mafia is not it's own role. I find is highly sus that your plan to "king Snowblaze" and block the wolf kill, "if not - then it's gotta be Supagoof", to be a a wrong plan in the solve. If the assumption is 3+ mafia, then 2+ left means blocking 1 won't stop a kill since the other can perform it. And the more obvious thing is - it's clearly written in the first post that specific action will not work. See quote above.
I looked at Gac3 last night, and was successful in figuring out his role. I will confirm my action with Gac3's permission. I won't out his role, without his consent.
I think that's me being unfair, though. I could see townie doing this as well, ie "I saw your role but I don't wanna out you". If town, that's better than Popo or I did. So I'll call this part NAI.
NAI.
Nobody was aware that you skipped using your power until you brought it up here, AFAICT. The only person who could make such an accusation would be a priest, and I know I didn't scry you that first night. Honestly, though...since nobody brought it up before you did, that makes me think you were already thinking "people must be suspicious of me because a priest said something". Priests catching you is already on your mind, and I'll be honest: if I randed scum!guard this game, I might very well skip using my power and just do the NK every night, that way if I get caught once I can be like "I was just scrying him I swear! I didn't even get a positive response cuz I guessed wrong". That way if a Priest follows me, they see me only target one person. And then if I saw suspicion on me, my first thought would be "a priest saw me acting weird".
It's a weird form of projection, if y'all can follow my train of thought here. I should've gone to bed like an hour ago.
A nice long high-effort post from Supagood, and it's RP. I almost scumread this purely out of spite, but it's NAI.
We're following
the leader
the leader
the leader
We're following
the leader
wherever
he may go
Once again, nobody was gonna call you out on this, you're preempting an argument that nobody has ever made against you. It's D4 and you're still harping on a point that nobody is holding over your head. We all know this is a game with no alignment seers. I can't think of a better example of a strawman argument than this. You're inventing weak arguments not a single living soul has considered making all game, and you're still acting as if that's the reason we're scumreading you.
Popo outed him in post #401, I outed him in post #405
One of these things doesn't belong here. I won't say I'm not townreading gac3, but he's definitely on the low end of my townreads, especially not that Popo's dead. I've not seen anything this game that warrants putting him in the same "locktown" list as Popo or Libro.
That's Supagoof's reaction to the D3 stuff. It's mostly focused on himself and the lingering suspicions on him, and the only mention of all the Xihirli stuff is "I'll do that I guess since Popo wants it done" and then he shuts up about it. It wasn't that strong a case, there were a lot of little holes, including "why even lie about being baron in the first place". But digging into it and questioning guilt looks bad if the person flips scum, so you just leave it entirely unaddressed.
I've already commented on the priest thing, so I won't go into that whole thing again. Needless to say, hard scum lean
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2021-09-20, 12:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Love Letter Mafia
Spoiler: Room where it happens by Miranda Lin-Manuel
Ah, Mr. Popo!
Mr. Goof, sir
Did you hear the news about how I guess right, sir?
No
You know the games first post?
Yeah
I got one right sir
And the Supagoof read is sure
Sure
And all he has to do is die
And that's a lot less work!
We ought to give it a try
Heh
And how you gonna get your game plan through?
I guess I'm gonna have to finally listen to you.
Really?
Defend less, post more
Haha!
Do whatever it takes to get the game won on the daytime floor
Now Snowblaze and Rogan are merciless
Well, hate the sin love the sinner
Pop!
I'm sorry Goof I gotta go
Big decisions are happening over dinner
Two townies and a genius walk into a room
Systematically opposed
Foes
They emerge with a agreement
Having open doors that were previously closed
Bros
The genius emerges with unprecedented posting power
A system he can shape however he wants
The townies emerge with the plans to dispose
And here's the pièce de résistance
No one else was in the room where it happened
The room where it happened
The room where it happened
No one else was in the room where it happened
The room where it happened
The room where it happened
No one really knows how the game is played
The art of the trade
How the sausage gets made
We just assume that it happens
But no one else is in the room where it happens
Supagoof was away the one day it turned to distress and disarray
Supagoof said, "I've nowhere else to turn"
And basically begged town to join in the fray
He openly approached the town and said
"I know you don't know me, but please hear what I have to say"
Well, after the meeting
Gac3 arranged the menu, the venue, the seating
But
No one else was in the room where it happened
The room where it happened
The room where it happened
No one else was in the room where it happened
The room where it happened
The room where it happened
No one really knows how the parties get to "Yes"
The pieces that are sacrificed in every game of chess
We just assume that it happens
But no else is in the room where it happens
Snowblaze is grappling with the fact
That not every issue can be settled by committee
Townies is fighting over who else might be lynchable
It isn't pretty
BatCatHat approaches with the subtle slight
Snowblaze responds with fanatical insight
Maybe we could solve one problem with another
And win a victory for the two
In other words
Ho ho
A quid pro quo
I suppose
Wouldn't you like to work a little closer to home?
Actually, I would
Well, I propose the day 3
And you'll get him the votes?
Well, we'll see how it goes
Let's go
No!
...one else was in the room where it happened
The room where it happened
The room where it happened
No one else was in the room where it happened
The room where it happened
The room where it happened
Libro, In you we Trust
But we never really know what got discussed
Click boom! Then it happened
But no one else was in the room where it happened
What did they say to you to get you to sell me down the river
Can others confirm about the dinner
Was other suggested pressure to deliver?
Or did you know even then it doesn't matter where you put final lynch?
Cause there's enough in the trust, we're in the same spot
You got more than you gave
And I wanted what I got
When you got skin in the game, you stay in the game
But you don't get a win unless you play in the game
Oh, you get love for it
You get hate for it
But you get nothing if you don't foray in the game
Oh help and forgive me
I wanna build something that's gonna outlive me
What do you want Goof? (What do you want Goof?)
What do you want Goof? (What do you want Goof?)
If you stand for nothing then what'll you fall for? (What do you want Goof?)
I, I wanna be in the room where it happens
The room where it happens
I wanna be in the room where it happens
The room where it happens
I (I wanna be in the room where it happens)
I wanna be in (the room where it happens)
The room where it happens
I (I wanna be in the room where it happens)
I wanna be in (the room where it happens)
The room where it happens
I wanna be in the room where it happens (Oh)
The room where it happens
The room where it happens (I wanna be in the room)
I wanna be in the room where it happens (I've got to be, I've got to be)
The room where it happens (Oh)
The room where it happens (That big old room, oh)
The art of the compromise
Hold your nose and close your eyes
We want our leaders to save the day
But we don't get a say in what they trade away
We dream of a brand new start
But we dream in the dark for the most part
Dark as a tomb where it happens
I've got to be in the room (room where it happens)
I gotta be (the room where it happens)
I gotta be (the room where it happens)
I've got to be in the room (the room where it happens)
I gotta be, I gotta be, gotta be (the room where it happens)
In the room (I wanna be in the room where it happens)
Click, boom
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2021-09-20, 12:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Love Letter Mafia
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2021-09-20, 12:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Love Letter Mafia
That was fun to write, but alas, I can at this point say it offers no insight, and I have no more insight to give.
Trolling without further comment, lol. Review BCH's posts again for the past day?
When you only look through one view, you pile all your confirmations on that support that view to convince yourself you aren't wrong. And when you are so certain that you are right, you will question those that don't support the insight.
At least I have my death scene submitted and will probably get to see it.
"Xirihli also submitted a death scene, and they was scum. Burn Goof at the stake!"
Actually, I submitted it because it helps the narrators.
At least this town guard gets to die a king.
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2021-09-20, 12:49 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Love Letter Mafia
I'll be the first to admit: my case on BCH isn't airtight. It's entirely possible and plausible that Book Wombat just...baned themselves N1. A number of people seem to think they really wouldn't have done that, and would've baned Libro instead, but it's not exactly a slam dunk case. I could be wrong. I think it was a stronger case than we had against Xihirli, and then Xihirli flipped, so what do I know?
And then when it's Supagoof's turn in the gallows, the defense given is that BCH is a mastermind, manipulating AV and Snowblaze into lynching anybody else before BCH. And I'm just sitting here like...mastermind? Manipulating?
Spoiler: Batcathat D3 ISOImmediate concern is self-defense.
Doesn't really have a good reply, so drops that particular line of defense.
NAI.
Casting shade on the case without directly addressing it.
NAI.
You'd think scum would have a better defense than this, but really there's nothing to be done about it. Without BW here to definitively say one way or the other, we're talking in circles. BCH claims to know Libro wasn't baned, and nobody believes them because why wouldn't Libro be baned.
Oho seems we've got jokes.
I appreciate the effort going into actually solving things, even if this can definitely be read as trying to throw a scumbuddy under the bus after the fact. It could be a doomed townie trying their best to contribute before dying.
NAI.
Joke, NAI.
Lampshading the weakness of their own argument...because arguing in your own self-defense isn't actually all that helpful.
If town decides you need to be tested, and you're town, the best thing you can do is provide all the thoughts you can on everything. BCH isn't going that hard, but effort is going into analysis that a wolf wouldn't have had.
NAI.
NAI.
NAI.
NAI.
Is this scum defending themselves? Refuge in confusion?
The case against BCH is that you're only innocent if you both behaved inoptimally. BW should've targeted Libro, and you should've targeted anybody but Libro on the assumption that he'd be baned.
NAI, altho effort is appreciated I suppose.
There were a lot of holes in the case (mostly small weird edge-case things), and none of it mattered in the end. This is probably the scummy thing from BCH besides the mech stuff: if they're scum, they went all-in on Xi instead of trying to nitpick the case to death. The only point made against the case is actually character assassination on me, to make their own chances of getting lynched less likely. This is possibly the one post in this ISO that could be earnestly called manipulative, if it was on purpose.
NAI.
NAI. Could be honest, could be bussing.
Another post criticizing my case without directly addressing it. In fairness, because addressing it is just running in circles of "but why not bane Libro" "but Libro wasn't baned".
Self-focused, but still giving reads. NAI.
Obviously pushing to not get lynched. Is weird if they're w/w with Xi, but not entirely unreasonable. Making the best of a bad situation, perhaps.
NAI.
NAI.
Could be a scumslip - like a little joke of:
"I hope BCH is town, or there's 4 scum, so the game keeps going"
"good news!"
could be sarcastic "good news" about "BCH is town" or "there's 4 scum".
Wow that's a familiar sounding argument. Is nobody willing to make the sacrifice play except me and Popo?
NAI.
I really like this post because it's kinda true. While I helped the case get started, I was constantly undermining it. Popo gave me a lot of credit I didn't deserve, and scum!BCH could've just let it slide and stayed off Popo's radar, but instead pushed back against Popo's strongest townlean. Does scum do that?
NAI.
NAI.
This is the only possible line of defense, so it gets consistently presented.
NAI
NAI. I made this same observation, and it'd be just as easy for scum to do so as well regardless of Rogan's alignment. Popo took Rogan's annoyance very personally.
The first chance to get a case going on somebody else, they take it. As soon as I saw this, I immediately thought "Prince or King targeted Supagoof" in the night, and I guessed King more likely than Prince. Sure enough, Snowblaze almost immediately confirmed my unspoken prediction.
Plausible. I'll hold judgement on giving this post credit for making a good argument or not until I've seen BCH swing.
Focused on self-preservation as always.
BCH admitting the only viable alternate wagon has flaws.
NAI.
NAI
NAI.
NAI.
NAI.
BCH is trying to give a self-defense, and instead basically every time they pop up to say "yeah you should lynch that person instead of me for some reason", I personally think "oh yeah, I need to re-consider if I should be lynching BCH instead of this other person". Medium Scum Lean.
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