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    This isn't really unique. The numbers really got away from Jordan and Sanderson only boosted them further. The actual battle at the Field of Merrilor involves a truly mind-boggling number of combatants, possibly larger than any battle ever fought on Earth (the largest 'battle' in history is probably the Battle of Kursk from WW2, which involved upwards of 3 million combatants) and well beyond the ability of societies at this technological level to actually fight.
    Kinda forgetting about gateways.
    That as such put them far, far above our technological level when it comes to moving stuff around.
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    You can't just snap your fingers and turn a heavy cavalry unit into skilled guerrillas overnight, that's just not an option.

    Attacking massed channelers is something that hasn't happened since the Trolloc Wars 1000 years ago, Bornhald's fault is in not being prepared for something that he could not possibly be prepared for (he also doesn't know about raken because he has no way to know about them. He can't randomly assume to be on the lookout for flying lizards.). Everyone after him knows that those tactics don't work, because of what happened to him.

    It's like Mat v Seanchan, they're not stupid, they just don't know about his new faster firing crossbows (and luckily have no damane)

    The closest this world gets is false dragons against Aes Sedai, which is usually the likes of Logain alone v 6 Aes Sedai, nothing large scale (Also worth noting that the leads are all much more powerful than the average channeler)

    Tarabon is already destroyed when Ituralde runs his campaign, he's doing it with bandits that are naturally good guerrilas and by then they have a good idea of what the Seanchan are capable of, he has much more information to work with.

    Amadicia falls because they are hit without warning with the Children already in turmoil. Why do they have no warning? Because Niall is assassinated just before he can warn anyone, and the message he is holding happens to fall into a pool of spilled wine. They're essentially unlucky, being in the Two Rivers might have gone better if Fain hadn't kept sabotaging everything (See also: Elaida)

    Niall has like three gut feelings in a long and storied career, and actually lost that battle (he was able to get out with his army intact

    The numbers get away from the writers because it is basically impossible for one person to script plausible battles with real numbers, and it would be impossible for readers to understand it if they did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sapphire Guard View Post
    You can't just snap your fingers and turn a heavy cavalry unit into skilled guerrillas overnight, that's just not an option.

    Attacking massed channelers is something that hasn't happened since the Trolloc Wars 1000 years ago.
    1) You mean the heavy cavalry legion (two thousand men) that he snuck into Tarabon completely unnoticed? Yeah, Geofram has no experience with stealthy tactics at all.

    2) Both of these sound like really good reasons to not charge in like a bull-goose fool attack. He knew about damane firsthand (having lost 50 of his men to just one of them) and he knew from interrogating the beaten villagers in Alcruna that they had plenty more where that came from. There are times to be the first person in 1000 years to try something and this definitely wasn't one of them.
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    But really, the important lesson here is this: Rather than making assumptions that don't fit with the text and then complaining about the text being wrong, why not just choose different assumptions that DO fit with the text?
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