Fee-Fi-Fo-Fum, Form smells a Random Banter #235

[Rater202]

I mean, she doesn't have to. And sh usually doesn't.

the only time she's been depicted as wearing actual clothing clothes is in an issue of Hickman's X-Men where she's getting dressed after being resurrected after dying on an infiltration mission... As a subtle snub. She was doing the missions in exchange for a promise that eventually they'd resurrect Irene Adler, with the implication being that Mystique(despite literally being part of the governing body) can't let herself be part of Krakoa until they do.

(As part of Krakoa's status as a safe haven for all mutants, they trying to form a distinct mutant cultural identity that everyone who lives on the island can share in despite coming from different home nations or walks of life and for some reason they decided that this should include a degree of sexual liberation and shunning of the idea of shame and modesty.)

[Anonymouswizard]

(As part of Krakoa's status as a safe haven for all mutants, they trying to form a distinct mutant cultural identity that everyone who lives on the island can share in despite coming from different home nations or walks of life and for some reason they decided that this should include a degree of sexual liberation and shunning of the idea of shame and modesty.)

Yeah, that's in every second rate Mary Suetopia these days. I wouldn't mind so much, but there's generally a distinct lack of people in multiple long term relationships.

Also an attempt to create a different idea of modesty makes sense when you realise that some mutants will have trouble with normal human clothing. Although let's be honest, it's going to take a generation or twelve.

[Fyraltari]

Modesty is overrated anyway.

[Rater202]

Although let's be honest, it's going to take a generation or twelve.

Uh... Not as much as you'd think.

One of Marvel's running gags is that most superhumans—especially mutants—don't really give a crap about nudity or sexuality.

It's somekind of Zeitgiest. You become superhuman and you just kind of forget about shame. (This also applies to people who spend a lot of time around superhumans.)

[Anonymouswizard]

Modesty is overrated anyway.

Look, we all know you come from a country where nudity is formal wear.

[Fyraltari]

Look, we all know you come from a country where nudity is formal wear.

Ah, I wish!

[Rater202]

A forum post I made on another board got liked recently, which led me to reread some things I wrote a while back and a little under a year ago I wrote out a detailed treatise on why Alice would be an approaite Persona for Harry in a Harry Potter/Shin Megami Tensei fusion or crossover story.

This completly slipped my mind until I saw it again.

I think I need help.

[Anonymouswizard]

Ah, I wish!

Darn, guess I have to take France off the list of countries to move to.

[Metastachydium]

Ah, I wish!

If that were how where I live worked, I'd never leave my house again.

[Fyraltari]

If that were how where I live worked, I'd never leave my house again.

You're a flower! Everybody can allready see your genitalia!

[Anonymouswizard]

If that were how where I live worked, I'd never leave my house again.

Oh come on. Only like 50% of the people who saw you would have something different! Not that that likely actually solves the issue.

You're a flower! Everybody can allready see your genitalia!

Maybe they're just a really big fan of cloaks?

[Metastachydium]

You're a flower! Everybody can allready see your genitalia!

That's not the issue. I don't want to watch theirs all day.

[Fyraltari]

That's not the issue. I don't want to watch theirs all day.

It's a double standard then.

[Metastachydium]

It's a double standard then.

Yes. I mean, no. I mean, yes, but only insofar as different standards apply to FLOWERS. Flowers are pretty. Humans… Are not flowers. Let's leave it at that.

[Anonymouswizard]

You could always just avoid formal events. Not like people will just stop wearing clothes.

Well, except in France if TV is to be believed.

[Peelee]

The more I learn about the Marvel's Krakoa, the more ridiculous and terrible it becomes.

Darn, guess I have to take France off the list of countries to move to.

Eh, that takes to much paperwork. Tell you what, I'll move there and tell you how it is.

[Rater202]

The more I learn about the Marvel's Krakoa, the more ridiculous and terrible it becomes

Is it any more ridiculous and terrible than 20 years of the X-men consistently failing to make lasting gains while constantly being the victims of multiple genocide attempts by both government and non-government groups?

[Fyraltari]

Is it any more ridiculous and terrible than 20 years of the X-men consistently failing to make lasting gains while constantly being the victims of multiple genocide attempts by both government and non-government groups?

What I'm hearing here is "The X-Men series should have ended long ago."

[Peelee]

Is it any more ridiculous and terrible than 20 years of the X-men consistently failing to make lasting gains while constantly being the victims of multiple genocide attempts by both government and non-government groups?

You make a good point, it's ridiculous and terrible overall. At least for the last twenty years.

[Metastachydium]

You could always just avoid formal events. Not like people will just stop wearing clothes.

I trust humans not.

Well, except in France if TV is to be believed.

Why should TV lie to us?

[Fyraltari]

I trust humans not.



Why should TV lie to us?

For ratings and money?

[Anonymouswizard]

Is it any more ridiculous and terrible than 20 years of the X-men consistently failing to make lasting gains while constantly being the victims of multiple genocide attempts by both government and non-government groups?

Continued genocide attempts are surprisingly good at stopping progress.

What I'm hearing here is "The X-Men series should have ended long ago."

I think we can extend that to most major American superhero comics.


EDIT: yeah, as Channel 4 discovered a show with at least 14 naked people every week does surprisingly well.

[Metastachydium]

For ratings and money?

Money is a fiction! A social construct with no inherent ontological value!

[Fyraltari]

Money is a fiction! A social construct with no inherent ontological value!

And so is TV.

[Metastachydium]

And so is TV.

I'd argue that it isn't a social construct; otherwise fair enough. But then, how can that which isn't produce propositions with a clearly discernible truth value?

[Fyraltari]

I'd argue that it isn't a social construct; otherwise fair enough. But then, how can that which isn't produce propositions with a clearly discernible truth value?

Social constructs still exist.

Edit: but also, I was joking about the quality of the average television content.

[LaZodiac]

1. Personally I like WH40k best when its ridiculous and comedic. Ciaphas Cain, TTS, things like that. like I'd rather read a story where Chaos is literally just people playing rock and roll music but because its chaos the music makes people kill each other and the Imperium has to stop the spread by replacing it all with Emperor worshipping songs like "The Treads on the Leman Russ Crush the Heretic" or something like that, because thats how ridiculous the wh40k universe has to be, to function as good guys even by default. and if you want a hopeful 40k, there is a fan setting called Brighthammer for that.

2. I mean it kinda depends on the shapeshifter, because shapeshifter is a very broad concept like in general. the "turn into anything" shapeshifter is actually an incredibly powerful ability, like if used smartly it could literally make you invincible because if you know all the forms to counter everything else and are fast you can turn into whatever to solve the situation. so many shapeshifters are more limited than that to make sure they can't go "I have a form for that" and insta-win. like full potential no limits shapeshifting is something potentially near godlike. its why Beast Boy is limited to animal forms or Mystique is limited to disguising herself as people. like its great when you can see that kind of shapeshifting, but there is good reasons why it doesn't show up much.

Yeah I do agree with that. Warhammer 40K is goof ass satire and that's how it SHOULD be. If you try to treat it as a serious series, where everything matters, you have to truck with the fact that the two best factions morally are, as stated, horrifying xenophobic monsters, and gundam obsessed blue furries that maybe-mindcontrol everyone into obedience.

Okay fair, maybe shapeshifter was the wrong term to use last night regarding this topic, cause Mystique is very much a good shapeshifter character.

Mystique isn't limited to describing as other humans. She can also change her biomass to resemble clothing, grow extra limbs, compress ultra-flat to slide under doors or flout away on warm currents, accelerate her recovery by shapeshifting damaged tissue(though this has limits) adapt to danger, and even make her body take on the forms of wood, stone, or metal.

Granted, a good chunk of that is from secondary mutations.

I hadn't actually known she can do all that stuff, beyond the clothing thing. That's the kinda shapeshifting I like to see. Utilize your talents to do weird ****!

[Peelee]

I hadn't actually known she can do all that stuff, beyond the clothing thing. That's the kinda shapeshifting I like to see. Utilize your talents to do weird ****!

Odo (and the Founders in general) did stuff like that. Except the healing thing, because they didn't really have tissue to be damaged so they didn't really need to heal.

[Fyraltari]

Odo (and the Founders in general)

[Peelee]

René Auberjonois. Star Trek: Deep Space 9

At the risk of grossly overloading you... I would love if you did a watch thread of DS9. Best Star Trek by far. And I really love Star Trek.