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2021-10-05, 06:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Belkar Bitterleaf, confirmed speciesist?
Well played good Ser. Your logic is as dubious as it irrefutable. Your mastery of internet debate is truely awe inspiring.
Because you cannot be proven wrong, binary logic requires that you are right, and any counter-arguments against your position are, by default, mere naysaying.
You win. Here are your two internets and your Monty Python skit from the Ministry of Arguments in recognition of your mental acuity.
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2021-10-06, 07:38 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Belkar Bitterleaf, confirmed speciesist?
I was amazed to see Belkar about to offer someone he had every excuse to kill a chance to surrender too. But I think it has nothing to do with the race of his opponent. It shows that he really has changed alignment. He is no longer chaotic evil. He isn't "playing along" anymore, he really isn't evil anymore.
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2021-10-06, 10:14 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Belkar Bitterleaf, confirmed speciesist?
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2021-10-06, 10:28 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Belkar Bitterleaf, confirmed speciesist?
If I recall correctly Durkon does a fair amount of bitching and whining about non-Dwarven characters in one of the prequels.
It seems good old humans are the only ones immune from specieism
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2021-10-06, 10:30 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Belkar Bitterleaf, confirmed speciesist?
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2021-10-06, 11:08 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Belkar Bitterleaf, confirmed speciesist?
Last edited by Precure; 2021-10-06 at 11:09 AM.
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2021-10-06, 11:08 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Belkar Bitterleaf, confirmed speciesist?
Actually, it took V about 100 years to learn first-level spell. This implies Elves are actually much more stupid than shorter-lived races, or, at least develop their mental faculties at much slower pace.
In Kazumi and Diago story, elven maid claims their babies need at least 10 years of breastfeeding.Last edited by Mike Havran; 2021-10-06 at 11:09 AM.
There must be some sense of order - personal, political or dramatic - and if no one else is going to bring it to this world, I will.
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2021-10-06, 11:11 AM (ISO 8601)
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2021-10-06, 11:51 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Belkar Bitterleaf, confirmed speciesist?
There is a positive correlation between the amount of time a species spends as a juvenile and level of intelligence. It means more time to learn and gain knowledge while brain plasticity and development is at its peak. Sure, the elves spend 30 years in diapers - but by god, will those babies really master the skill of pooping by the end of it.
That would explain why the elves have not yet managed to conquer the world with cyber-robots. They're just incredibly dumb. They need those hundreds of years just to keep up with the mortal species.
... I'm starting to think my eager betrayal of humanity to our elven hegemons was rash and premature.Last edited by skim172; 2021-10-06 at 02:29 PM.
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2021-10-06, 02:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Belkar Bitterleaf, confirmed speciesist?
If humans, as viewed by V are inferior to other species (many drawbacks, no benefits), then positing that they consider humans lowly is not really a stretch. As for mentally challenged, I still owe you the strip where the political wisdom of humans gets criticized, but until then, there's Vs dismissing Roy as probably dumb in Origin (and since we don't know why they thought that, it's obvious that it's THE SPECIESISM TALKING!).
In fact, based on their scenes in this strip, Haley and Roy were part of the few people that V respected most.
Fear not! Their slow, methodical approach to things and their lack of a desire to subjugate others or overrely on advanced technology is merely a testament to their superior wisdom.Last edited by Metastachydium; 2021-10-06 at 02:56 PM.
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2021-10-27, 11:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Belkar Bitterleaf, confirmed speciesist?
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2021-10-28, 04:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Belkar Bitterleaf, confirmed speciesist?
Easy solution: magic telephones.
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2021-10-28, 08:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Belkar Bitterleaf, confirmed speciesist?
No, Belkar is definitely still chaotic, and definitely still evil. Not being stupid, and not jumping at the chance to kill everything, is not the same thing as not being evil.
If there's ever a time where we're supposed to think that Belkar has definitively changed alignment, I can't imagine the story won't make that abundantly clear.I'd just like to point out that saying that something unsupported is the case unless someone else can prove that it is not is an utter failure of logic. - Kish
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2021-10-29, 11:39 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Belkar Bitterleaf, confirmed speciesist?
It is a stretch.
As for mentally challenged, I still owe you the strip where the political wisdom of humans gets criticized, but until then, there's Vs dismissing Roy as probably dumb in Origin (and since we don't know why they thought that, it's obvious that it's THE SPECIESISM TALKING!).
Where do you get the idea that V respects Haley?
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2021-10-29, 11:48 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Belkar Bitterleaf, confirmed speciesist?
I don't think so.
No, it's because he's a fighter.
For a start, they refer to her as Miss Starshine.
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2021-10-29, 11:52 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Belkar Bitterleaf, confirmed speciesist?
For what it's worth, V initially dismissed Roy while Roy was looking for a Wizard, implying Roy was not a Wizard, and I think we can all agree that V believed in wizardry superiority at that point. Non-wizards would only not be wizards because they were not smart enough to be wizards is a very likely position for V to have held at that point.
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2021-10-29, 12:01 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Belkar Bitterleaf, confirmed speciesist?
Well, actually
1. he wasn't looking for a wizard, specifically and
2. the heavy armour should have told V anyway that if he's a wizard, he's probably not really good at it.
Edit: as for honorifics, on the very same page (no. 61) V calls Roy "sir" in a sentence meant to convey the message that V's smart and he's not.Last edited by Metastachydium; 2021-10-29 at 12:03 PM.
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2021-10-29, 12:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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2021-10-29, 12:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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2021-10-31, 01:12 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Belkar Bitterleaf, confirmed speciesist?
If we assume about 5 elf years to one human year, that'd be about 20, in which case it's possible that V wasn't allowed to study until "Wizard College" and then mastered his first spell within a decade of studying magic theory. I could see an 18 yo equivalent V being taught in intricate detail the theory, history, and mechanics of magic for years before covering the actual casting of spells. Perhaps elvish society has proverbs and norms revolving around letting a flower bloom or making sure a can of beans is well-soaked.
A longer-aged race means that elves are able to have their geniuses persist for ages and make countless magnificent marvels; however, there are other drawbacks, such as having to take care of someone too young to handle themselves for five times as long.
It also means that society is more static, as while good leaders can persist for longer, there are fewer gaps for revolutionary ideas to go in and disrupt the system. If a society has people hitting 400 and being fully functional, they may desire distinction from those pesky 320 and 200 year olds, leading to additional stratification that restricts that One Person With A Great Idea tm from being able to quickly climb the ladder and get things done. Making everyone go the long route is a great way to make a stable society, but it does not make a highly innovative one.
I would argue elvish limitations are more cultural on the whole, though biology clearly plays a role as well.An explanation of why MitD being any larger than Huge is implausible.
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2021-11-01, 09:20 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Belkar Bitterleaf, confirmed speciesist?
I see what you're doing, although I don't think this adds up. V has almost always treated Roy with respect, Durkon usually with at least a degree of politeness (albeit impatience sometimes gets in the way), and is actively friendly with Haley.
And while the first couple of books obviously showcased V's rivalry with Belkar, that's changed since they both had their big character-development moments in book 4: arguably, Belkar is now the member of the party V is closest to, bar Haley. They obviously still can't resist having a bit of a jab at each other every now and again, because that's how their relationship works, but it seems all the venom has gone out of it.
Then again, V is a confirmed elf-supremacist anyway: see the chat with Haley in Origin which results in her sneak-attacking V.GITP Blood Bowl Manager Cup
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2021-11-01, 01:47 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Belkar Bitterleaf, confirmed speciesist?
Belkar has always been Speciesist. He was specially aggresive towards Kobolds and has always been evil... I see nothing new here...
BTW I Love Belkar, my favorite character by farLast son of the Lu-Ching dynasty
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2021-11-02, 10:25 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Belkar Bitterleaf, confirmed speciesist?
"Can someone shoot her already."
"We need to talk to her."
Hmmm...
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2021-11-04, 05:00 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Belkar Bitterleaf, confirmed speciesist?