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    Its good the difficulty settings are very granular because the power level of the various paths is also ridiculously varied. I played a pretty well optimized Azata bloodrager on my first playthrough and thingd were decent on normal difficulty. Im playing an Oracle with merged spellbook Angel and its just gross. The party wide buffs are insane and even though I focused almost entirely on melee I can still blast with the angel spells since they often have no SR or saves even. Its ridiculously OP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Theoboldi View Post
    In better news, they actually added a tutorial hint to how getting around in Act 4 works. Guess enough people complained about that? I've actually been quite enjoying that act quite a bit more than most people seem to.
    That tutorial was present since launch. I've seen it when I played in the second week of September.

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    Huh, a redemption path? Does that make Devil a 'falling' path, then? Would make sense given some of the story developments and the presence of the hellknights in the story.
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    Depending on your entry point and method - yes.

    As an Azata, Devil is basically a "gullible idiot" path. You have an advisor by the name Early Sunset, who keeps giving you Lawful and Evil advice, and if you follow his advice you **** up your Azata things and people, and Early Sunset gloats but offers you devil-hood as a consolation prize.

    As an Aeon, there are two possible approaches. Throughout the game you have to make judgments as part of your mythic quests. You have an advisor, a giant six-winged devil who is totally not Mephistopheles. You can make lawful and harsh judgments (True Aeon), merciful judgments (Renegade Aeon), or selfish and exploitative judgements that the devil suggests (Devil).

    If the majority of your judgments weren't True Aeon, then by the end of act 4 you lose your Aeon powers - you can't change Xanthir's fate via time travel, and your Big Showdown Power Use at the start of act 5 fails - pick Legend instead.

    Afterwards the devil invites you to a meeting at a crossroads where he lays out a deal. As a mortal time traveler, you are a threat to the Lawful world order that the Hell wants. So you can either die or take the job offer and become a Devil. Getting the job offer requires Diplomacy checks which are easier if you have a lot of Devil points.

    Thus Aeon->Devil has three flavors:
    1. True Aeon who either afraid of the Aeon mindset that they have to adopt come chapter 5, or afraid of Mephistophel and his threats.
    2. Someone who is too merciful, lost the Aeon powers, and is now grasping at straws.
    3. Someone who has always had the Devil mindset and is all too happy to get the offer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mahasamatman View Post
    That tutorial was present since launch. I've seen it when I played in the second week of September.
    Huh. Could have fooled me, with how many people I saw who didn't know that stuff. Maybe they just had tutorials turned off by that point? It does happen pretty late into the game.

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    Well that does sound interesting! Though, above all I kinda am now interested in going Renegade Aeon into Legend. That sounds like a really cool story to play out.
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    You don't win people over by beating them with facts until they surrender; at best all you've got is a conversion under duress, and at worst you've actively made an enemy of your position.

    You don't convince by proving someone wrong. You convince by showing them a better way to be right. The difference may seem subtle or semantic, but I assure you it matters a lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Theoboldi View Post
    Huh. Could have fooled me, with how many people I saw who didn't know that stuff. Maybe they just had tutorials turned off by that point? It does happen pretty late into the game.

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    Well that does sound interesting! Though, above all I kinda am now interested in going Renegade Aeon into Legend. That sounds like a really cool story to play out.
    The vast majority of people who complain about game mechanics never read the tutorials.

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    That sounds cooler than it actually is. Like with all the other late-game path transitions, Legend completely abandons your previous plot threads and starts the Legend story instead. It's functionally identical whether you were an Aeon, a Lich, a Demon, or an Angel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mahasamatman View Post
    The vast majority of people who complain about game mechanics never read the tutorials.
    Bit rude, given that this comes up about 40+ hours into the game and you have to turn off tutorials at some point or every. Single. Combat. Will keep repeating basic **** like how DR works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rynjin View Post
    Bit rude, given that this comes up about 40+ hours into the game and you have to turn off tutorials at some point or every. Single. Combat. Will keep repeating basic **** like how DR works.
    Counter-argument. "Turn off the tutorials" button doesn't work, so "I turned off the tutorials" is not an excuse :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mahasamatman View Post
    Counter-argument. "Turn off the tutorials" button doesn't work, so "I turned off the tutorials" is not an excuse :P
    Counter-counter argument. Tutorials pop sporadically, and not when they'd even make sense a lot of the time because the game is a buggy mess. Lots of people report never getting that particular tutorial, and I absolutely believe them. I don't remember ever seeing it, and I always try to read them the first time a new one pops up. I had to google how it works.

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    What the hell was that dungeon just now? XD

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    Well, I knew the backer quests (which I've been told this was one of) were pretty bad, but what was up with that? Forced turn-based play in a scenario that did not at all require it, empty message boxes and enemies with literal placeholder names? I.....what? I'm not even mad, that was hilarious in how unfinished it was. Especially with how it revolved around that edgelord master strategist OC.

    At least I got a pretty good reward out of him. Dunno whether me convincing him to betray the demons had any influence on that, but I'll happily take +1 to Master of Maneuvers on all of my generals, thank you very much. And though not really warranting the forced turn-based, at least the battle had a kind of fun gimmick without being too annoying about it.

    Remind me to never waste money on getting my ideas into a video game, though.



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    That sounds cooler than it actually is. Like with all the other late-game path transitions, Legend completely abandons your previous plot threads and starts the Legend story instead. It's functionally identical whether you were an Aeon, a Lich, a Demon, or an Angel.
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    I'm fine with that, honestly. The Legend path has a nice 'screw the cosmic forces!' vibe to it, so even if it breaks off the Aeon developments completely I can see myself having fun with it. It plays so nicely into what I'd want a renegade Aeon to be anyways.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ezekielraiden View Post
    You don't win people over by beating them with facts until they surrender; at best all you've got is a conversion under duress, and at worst you've actively made an enemy of your position.

    You don't convince by proving someone wrong. You convince by showing them a better way to be right. The difference may seem subtle or semantic, but I assure you it matters a lot.

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    How rigid are the mythic alignment requirements? Could I be a chaotic good trickster or do I have to be CN?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sloanzilla View Post
    How rigid are the mythic alignment requirements? Could I be a chaotic good trickster or do I have to be CN?
    If you don't meet the appropriate alignment then you'll get a quest to change to it.

    I haven't done Trickster, but I was playing Angel as neutral good instead of Lawful Good and there was no problem with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sloanzilla View Post
    How rigid are the mythic alignment requirements? Could I be a chaotic good trickster or do I have to be CN?
    IIRC each mythic path allows the two adjacent alignments as well (So Azatha allows you to be NG and CN in addition to CG, and I presume trickster will allow all Chaotic alignments).
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    You can also always be True Neutral.

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    I've heard that Swarm is only NE or CE. Can't confirm that myself, but considering how horribly monstrous that path is, it wouldn't surprise me.

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    Once you do your actual transformation (Mythic rank 9 I believe) you get permanently shifted to the alignment of your path. You need to be 1 step away from the Path alignment at some point but I was never far enough off to need that quest.

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    Whoo boy, I sure love having billions of each resource and a massive network of markets only to be told by the game that I am TOTALLY out of supplies and have to betray some of my allies.

    And then the game doesnt even increase my actual rank, as though I messed up and hit a bad ending somehow.

    Goddamn it, I want to love this game, but then it does crap like that.

    At least other people who saw this seem to have gotten the good ending slice anyways, so it seems like I'm safe on that front. May go ahead and cheat the rank higher though, just to be on the safe side.

    Good grief, I know Crusade Management is kind of a mess, but this takes the cake. Actually am mad about this one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ezekielraiden View Post
    You don't win people over by beating them with facts until they surrender; at best all you've got is a conversion under duress, and at worst you've actively made an enemy of your position.

    You don't convince by proving someone wrong. You convince by showing them a better way to be right. The difference may seem subtle or semantic, but I assure you it matters a lot.

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    Whoo boy, I sure love having billions of each resource and a massive network of markets only to be told by the game that I am TOTALLY out of supplies and have to betray some of my allies.

    And then the game doesnt even increase my actual rank, as though I messed up and hit a bad ending somehow.

    Goddamn it, I want to love this game, but then it does crap like that.

    At least other people who saw this seem to have gotten the good ending slice anyways, so it seems like I'm safe on that front. May go ahead and cheat the rank higher though, just to be on the safe side.

    Good grief, I know Crusade Management is kind of a mess, but this takes the cake. Actually am mad about this one.
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    That one pissed me off too. Like, I already resolved the political difficulties in Mendev. The queen is just loitering around in my war room if we need to send her back to restore order - literally standing closer to me than the advisor is! I have good diplomatic ties to a fairly long long list of nations. There are multiple clerics hanging around who could cast Create Food and Water, and I will happily ask Sosiel to spend all 60 or so of his 3rd level or higher spell slots on it each day if that will help (that's enough to feed 3,600 people each day if he has to).

    And actually, we can do some farming because I'm an Azata and I've been renewing the land and growing forests all over the place. We even had a group of Azata who are noted as being really good at magically accelerating the growth of plants show up for a party, cater it... and then join the crusade.

    Our logistics officer is crooked enough that I can't help but wonder if she's secretly sabotaging us like our leadership officer was.
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    That one pissed me off too. Like, I already resolved the political difficulties in Mendev. The queen is just loitering around in my war room if we need to send her back to restore order - literally standing closer to me than the advisor is! I have good diplomatic ties to a fairly long long list of nations. There are multiple clerics hanging around who could cast Create Food and Water, and I will happily ask Sosiel to spend all 60 or so of his 3rd level or higher spell slots on it each day if that will help (that's enough to feed 3,600 people each day if he has to).

    And actually, we can do some farming because I'm an Azata and I've been renewing the land and growing forests all over the place. We even had a group of Azata who are noted as being really good at magically accelerating the growth of plants show up for a party, cater it... and then join the crusade.

    Our logistics officer is crooked enough that I can't help but wonder if she's secretly sabotaging us like our leadership officer was.
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    I will accept this as my headcanon as it is the only way I can reasonably believe any of what is happening. It is also now my headcanon that me not utilizing that final unlocked Decree is my Commander seeing through that carefully laid trap, and having the supply officer arrested off-screen.

    That said...


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    ....I did at least get the good outcome for the ending screen, so that went well. Which makes it all the weirder how despairing all the events were, only for that final text to tell me I masterfully handled my logistics.

    What I really do not understand though is why at the same time, the game also told me that my crusade effort was only moderately successful. I literally destroyed all demons and maxed out everything other than fully upgrading each individual town. My morale never even went into the yellow. Such a bizarre result.


    Anywho, fun ending otherwise! I managed to talk the Big Bad Sorceress with the overly long name into surrendering and sacrificing herself, though sadly I failed the final persuasion check to make Pharasma forgive her. At least I tried. I did get to permanently kill Deskari and burn his realm to cinders, which was a pretty nice post-finale encounter. That, plus becoming Iomedae's permanent champion on the material plane together redeemed demon wife was a great ending point for this character.

    I will say the final dungeon wasn't all that impressive, and even Iz before it was pretty meh overall. But despite the visible results of time constraints, it was an enjoyable finale for its story beats.

    Now to do it again!......In some time. Maybe an Evil build or Aeon. Perhaps even with a class I haven't played before, like Magus! I'll give it some time to cool before then, though. There's still plenty of bugs, and I am in no hurry to burn myself out on Wrath of the Righteous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ezekielraiden View Post
    You don't win people over by beating them with facts until they surrender; at best all you've got is a conversion under duress, and at worst you've actively made an enemy of your position.

    You don't convince by proving someone wrong. You convince by showing them a better way to be right. The difference may seem subtle or semantic, but I assure you it matters a lot.

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    That one pissed me off too. Like, I already resolved the political difficulties in Mendev. The queen is just loitering around in my war room if we need to send her back to restore order - literally standing closer to me than the advisor is! I have good diplomatic ties to a fairly long long list of nations. There are multiple clerics hanging around who could cast Create Food and Water, and I will happily ask Sosiel to spend all 60 or so of his 3rd level or higher spell slots on it each day if that will help (that's enough to feed 3,600 people each day if he has to).

    And actually, we can do some farming because I'm an Azata and I've been renewing the land and growing forests all over the place. We even had a group of Azata who are noted as being really good at magically accelerating the growth of plants show up for a party, cater it... and then join the crusade.

    Our logistics officer is crooked enough that I can't help but wonder if she's secretly sabotaging us like our leadership officer was.
    Create Food/Water is a weak argument. These spells do not exist as far the game is concerned. Sosiel doesn't have them, they are never referenced in the game. Note that your own party has to harvest/buy food and use purifying solutions - not create food magically.

    But if your crusade is doing well you can totally just pick the "We are not going to raid anyone" option. It has a good outcome.

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